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Re: TO HELL WITH VATICAN II
« Reply #1 on: September 09, 2019, 12:07:28 PM »
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  • Imagine recognizing the V2 popes as true popes, and v2 as an ecuмenical council, but saying that an ecuмenical council of the church should “go to hell”. That is 100% a non Catholic position
    Pope St. Pius X pray for us


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    Re: TO HELL WITH VATICAN II
    « Reply #2 on: September 09, 2019, 12:15:03 PM »
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  • Imagine recognizing the V2 popes as true popes, and v2 as an ecuмenical council, but saying that an ecuмenical council of the church should “go to hell”. That is 100% a non Catholic position

    I was thinking the same thing.

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    Re: TO HELL WITH VATICAN II
    « Reply #3 on: September 09, 2019, 12:39:43 PM »
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  • Michael Matt decries V2, saying "to hell with it."  Exactly right.  So why then doesn't Mr Mack at least speak out publicly against the obvious direction in which the SSPX is headed?  He still embraces Fellay(Pagliarani) & Co. who are, it seems, slouching inexorably towards fallen Rome.

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    Re: TO HELL WITH VATICAN II
    « Reply #4 on: September 09, 2019, 12:41:51 PM »
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  • Michael Matt decries V2, saying "to hell with it."  Exactly right.  So why then doesn't Mr Mack at least speak out publicly against the obvious direction in which the SSPX is headed?  He still embraces Fellay(Pagliarani) & Co. who are, it seems, slouching inexorably towards fallen Rome.

    For the same rea$on John Vennari didn’t.


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    Re: TO HELL WITH VATICAN II
    « Reply #5 on: September 09, 2019, 01:14:16 PM »
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  • I was thinking the same thing.
    What if you want to just be prudent, and make no bold or rash moves? After all, saying I refuse to depose the Pope isn't the same as affirming with an oath that he is Pope. The default position for Catholics is to assume validity of a Papacy that has been universally accepted by the Church. And Vatican II was taken over at the beginning and explicitly rejected the protection of the Holy Ghost, instead opting for the novel status of "pastoral council" whatever that means. It was a robber council. I agree with him - to Hell with Vatican II. The docuмents can all go back to the price of darkness from whence they came.

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    Re: TO HELL WITH VATICAN II
    « Reply #6 on: September 09, 2019, 01:49:43 PM »
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  • What if you want to just be prudent, and make no bold or rash moves? After all, saying I refuse to depose the Pope isn't the same as affirming with an oath that he is Pope. The default position for Catholics is to assume validity of a Papacy that has been universally accepted by the Church. And Vatican II was taken over at the beginning and explicitly rejected the protection of the Holy Ghost, instead opting for the novel status of "pastoral council" whatever that means. It was a robber council. I agree with him - to Hell with Vatican II. The docuмents can all go back to the price of darkness from whence they came.
    You have so many theological problems in the comment, I don’t even know where to begin. 
    1. The universal acceptance argument is kinda out the windo because 
           A. There is a significant chance that Roncalli was a Freemason, rendering his election invalid 
          B. cuм ex squashed universal acceptance for heresy
           C. The language council clearly shows it is ecuмenical
           D. The now “saint” Paul VI signed his name to every docuмent and are implying he is a heretic
           E. The Hoky see is judged by no one so you are in schism if the Novus Ordo “popes” are true
           F. Even if v2 is “pastoral”, it is still a part of the UOM of the church and calling it heretical is calling those who accept it formal heretics.
    Pope St. Pius X pray for us

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    Re: TO HELL WITH VATICAN II
    « Reply #7 on: September 09, 2019, 01:50:03 PM »
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  • Imagine recognizing the V2 popes as true popes, and v2 as an ecuмenical council, but saying that an ecuмenical council of the church should “go to hell”. That is 100% a non Catholic position

    Some of us don't believe that it was a legitimate council, and in that light, it doesn't affect the true Church. Vll did not do what Council's have always done - which is to correct error, and clarify or uphold true Church teachings against the error. Vll didn't do that. That fake council should be consigned to the dustbin, IMO. Of course, there are differing opinions here about this issue.
    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29


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    Re: TO HELL WITH VATICAN II
    « Reply #8 on: September 09, 2019, 01:59:18 PM »
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  • Imagine recognizing the V2 popes as true popes, and v2 as an ecuмenical council, but saying that an ecuмenical council of the church should “go to hell”. That is 100% a non Catholic position
    And they're all canonized too!!!  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
    The Church has itself in a real pickle now.  :boxer:

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    Re: TO HELL WITH VATICAN II
    « Reply #9 on: September 09, 2019, 02:13:31 PM »
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  • Can one conclude, then....

    • --That but for the Second Vatican Council ("VC2"), all would be right in the Catholic world?
    • --Without VC2, there would never have been any Sedevacatntism, despite the most widely held belief that present-day Sedevacantism started prior to VC2 with John XXIII?  
    • --Without VC2, we wouldn't have the Novus Ordo Missae, despite that the calling for an entirely new mass is nowhere to be found in the VC2 docuмents?
    • --Without VC2, we wouldn't have all the docuмents from which so much confusion has sprung forth?    

    I don't know.  Except for the last point, I don't think much would have changed. While I would like to think that the real culprit is simply the new mass, there were A LOT of bad actors prior to, during, and after VC2 who may have had just as much, if not more, of hand at getting us to where we are today.    


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    Re: TO HELL WITH VATICAN II
    « Reply #10 on: September 09, 2019, 02:22:41 PM »
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  • And they're all canonized too!!!  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
    The Church has itself in a real pickle now.  :boxer:

    The Church (which is occupied by a Modernist sect) has been in a pickle for awhile now. That's not new.

    Pope St. Pius X seriously warned about how Modernism had infiltrated the Church, and this he did over one hundred years ago. The problems started long before Vll.
    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29


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    Re: TO HELL WITH VATICAN II
    « Reply #11 on: September 09, 2019, 02:34:02 PM »
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  • Imagine recognizing the V2 popes as true popes, and v2 as an ecuмenical council, but saying that an ecuмenical council of the church should “go to hell”. That is 100% a non Catholic position
    You nailed that!
    I have long said that one of the markers of the modernist is the ability to hold mutually exclusive propositions as true.

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    Re: TO HELL WITH VATICAN II
    « Reply #12 on: September 09, 2019, 05:44:57 PM »
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    X: For the same rea$on John Vennari didn’t.

    Right.  But Mr. Matt has all but abandoned the V2 church, and the post-V2 "saints." So whatever it takes, he's going to be forced at some point in time to serve notice on the sspx that he is not in any way going to countenance or support the Society's move towards New Church.  To date he hasn't done that.  And the reason, which your post signals, is money.  The Remnant probably has a pretty substantial sspx subscriber base.
    Does Matt wish to remain relevant among true traditional Catholics? Well then, Mr. Matt, put the editorial squeeze on Fellay & Co.    

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    Re: TO HELL WITH VATICAN II
    « Reply #13 on: September 10, 2019, 05:23:02 PM »
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  • Not to change the subject, but it is interesting how Mr. Matt seems to have always strongly upheld the sacred 6 million "h0Ɩ0cαųst" spiel as in SPIELberg version.  As far as I know, I think the same could probably be said about not wanting to ever question the government's official 9-11 spiel.

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    Re: TO HELL WITH VATICAN II
    « Reply #14 on: September 10, 2019, 08:13:14 PM »
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  • Recall that Matt and his usual suspects lauded as a "Papal Masterstroke" Fr. Ratzinger's revision of the Missal of 1962 to suit the ѕуηαgσgυє of Satan.

    http://www.remnantnewspaper.com/Archives/archive-2008-a_papal_masterstroke.htm