Author Topic: Do you believe this? (Read 9885 times)

InfiniteFaith · « **Reply #120 on:** December 30, 2012, 02:39:58 PM »

Sigismund,

Are you bearing false witness against your neighbor by accusing him of making racist un-Catholic comments?

Sigismund · « **Reply #121 on:** December 30, 2012, 02:42:18 PM »

Well, I would be if they were not racist and un-Catholic. They are both becasue of their exultation of the white race as somehow superior to others.

Please note my post immediately above the post in which you first asked this question, however.

Renzo · « **Reply #122 on:** December 30, 2012, 02:59:06 PM »

The radically egalitarian idea that all races/ethnicities/ancestries/blood lines are equal, seems obviously false. However, our strange rulers hold it up as one of life's greatest truths.

InfiniteFaith · « **Reply #123 on:** December 30, 2012, 03:02:31 PM »

Quote from: Sigismund

Well, I would be if they were not racist and un-Catholic. They are both becasue of their exultation of the white race as somehow superior to others.

Please note my post immediately above the post in which you first asked this question, however.

ah so you were just joking then.

brotherfrancis75 · « **Reply #124 on:** December 30, 2012, 03:17:24 PM »

Quote from: Sigismund

Well, I would be if they were not racist and un-Catholic. They are both becasue of their exultation of the white race as somehow superior to others.

Please note my post immediately above the post in which you first asked this question, however.

Alas, we come to the rub. How does having a different political or scientific opinion from oneself make others not Catholics? Does sanctifying grace truly come from our sacraments, or does it really only come from the political faction that through its cable and other media channels happens to reflect our own political bias? Is salvation essentially something spiritual and religious or is it essentially political in nature?

Which is it, God or Mammon?

Catholics are those who share our sacraments with us. Just because their politics or their opinions about science or history rub us the wrong way has no bearing on their being our fellow brothers and sisters in Christ with us. Our Church forbids Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ, Marxism and those political and scientific factions that truly represent those evils. But beyond that our Church is and has always been remarkably flexible about politics and every effort to impose politics on the sciences. The notion that failure to conform to the racial theories of Franz Boas somehow disqualifies membership in the Roman Catholic Church is, to put it mildly, a bit odd.

Are we now supposed to put the loathsome egalitarian pseudo-science of the Communist Manifesto above the Creed?

One humbly dares to suggest NOT. Catholics should piously desire the "exultation" of EVERY race without exception. Certainly including our own most beloved white European race too. We should honor our own fathers and mothers. As we say: "Charity begins at home."

Hyperborean · « **Reply #125 on:** December 30, 2012, 03:23:20 PM »

Brother Francis wrote:

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Although this writer must recognize the importance of polytheists like Rene Guenon and Julius Evola, they are not in any way my models or teachers.

It is wonderful for you to continue the Romantic Tradition, properly understood, and perhaps someday you may tell us about Schlegel. Nevertheless, one cannot be an anti-realist and be Catholic, since it is the Church that assures us about what is real. This is all the more so because of those Germanic philosophers, like Kant, for example, who denies that we can know the real. Without that assurance, we would not know about the Real Presence (e.g., like your Protestant "brothers") nor about all those invisible things mentioned in the creed.

It is also necessary to be factual. I am not promoting Guenon and Evola, but to be fair, I have to point out that they were not polytheists. Guenon was a Catholic before converting to Islam. Evola was raised a Catholic and then rejected it even while wishing Her to reclaim the glory of the Middle Ages.

As for the facts regarding Wagner: on what grounds can anyone assume he was a Catholic? Did not his Catholic wife, the daughter of a man of the Third Order, convert to Lutheranism?

And, yes, if you have an agenda, it would be fair for you to be more frank about your beliefs, as you promised.

Sigismund · « **Reply #126 on:** December 30, 2012, 09:27:02 PM »

Quote from: InfiniteFaith

Quote from: Sigismund
Well, I would be if they were not racist and un-Catholic. They are both becasue of their exultation of the white race as somehow superior to others.

Please note my post immediately above the post in which you first asked this question, however.

ah so you were just joking then.

Mostly, yes. Just as I think TraditionalGuy was mostly joking about my Jєωιѕн relatives. :wink: