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Offline josefamenendez

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They are going after Confession
« on: August 31, 2018, 08:39:29 AM »
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  • https://www.wsj.com/articles/australian-bishops-reject-reporting-sexual-abuse-revealed-in-confession-1535703402

    This WSJ article is a pay site ( for me) but you can get the gist of the article by the first paragraph displayed.

    Apparently , what these "network" homo pederast priests do with evil intent, is make sure they  "confess" their perverted sexual abuses and crimes to a "good" priest, so their "secret" will be hidden under the seal of the sacrament, causing undue duress for the confessor (forever) and ensuring that their offenses never be told; extorting  the life of the good priest and mocking the Sacrament. The evil goes beyond the abuse itself ( as if that isn't enough) by destroying the priesthood, putting the seal of confession at stake and the ultimately their real goal, total collapse of the Church.

    Is the only possible "solution"(?) , and it's not much of one, is if a suspected, known "priest" goes in the confessional, or if the confessor begin to hear this particular sin that he dart out of the confessional as fast as he can to protect himself? What are the options or are there any?

    The State will be going after Confession after this, no doubt.

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    Re: They are going after Confession
    « Reply #1 on: August 31, 2018, 09:56:08 AM »
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  •  I can see it now. A WiFi "Nest" audio/video cam in the confessional.

    Didn't Paul Hernandez patent this idea? ;)
    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi


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    Re: They are going after Confession
    « Reply #2 on: August 31, 2018, 01:26:53 PM »
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  • https://www.wsj.com/articles/australian-bishops-reject-reporting-sexual-abuse-revealed-in-confession-1535703402

    This WSJ article is a pay site ( for me) but you can get the gist of the article by the first paragraph displayed.

    Apparently , what these "network" homo pederast priests do with evil intent, is make sure they  "confess" their perverted sexual abuses and crimes to a "good" priest, so their "secret" will be hidden under the seal of the sacrament, causing undue duress for the confessor (forever) and ensuring that their offenses never be told; extorting  the life of the good priest and mocking the Sacrament. The evil goes beyond the abuse itself ( as if that isn't enough) by destroying the priesthood, putting the seal of confession at stake and the ultimately their real goal, total collapse of the Church.

    Is the only possible "solution"(?) , and it's not much of one, is if a suspected, known "priest" goes in the confessional, or if the confessor begin to hear this particular sin that he dart out of the confessional as fast as he can to protect himself? What are the options or are there any?

    The State will be going after Confession after this, no doubt.
    "For your penance go turn yourself in to the police and admit your crimes. Will you accept this penance? If so, then I will give you absolution."  Is this a possibility for the "good" priest?

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    Re: They are going after Confession
    « Reply #3 on: August 31, 2018, 02:23:52 PM »
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  • "For your penance go turn yourself in to the police and admit your crimes. Will you accept this penance? If so, then I will give you absolution."  Is this a possibility for the "good" priest?
    To my knowledge, yes, a priest can impose external actions like you mention as the penance. The penitent is free to ask for a different penance, too, and can go back to ask for a penance changed, even to a different priest if the context is adequately explained.

    The seal remains regardless of absolution.

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    Re: They are going after Confession
    « Reply #4 on: August 31, 2018, 03:30:05 PM »
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  • "For your penance go turn yourself in to the police and admit your crimes. Will you accept this penance? If so, then I will give you absolution."  Is this a possibility for the "good" priest?
    He can of course, but the seal still remains.


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    Re: They are going after Confession
    « Reply #5 on: August 31, 2018, 03:38:31 PM »
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  • Unless the confessions are recorded or such what's the problem?
    Confessions are anonymous so the priest doesn't know for sure who the penitent is, therefore,
    it's just hearsay at best.
    I don't think anyone is supposed to be an expert in voice recognition.
    "Let God arise, and let His enemies be scattered: and them that hate Him flee from before His Holy Face"  Psalm 67:2[/b]


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    Re: They are going after Confession
    « Reply #6 on: August 31, 2018, 03:43:00 PM »
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  • Unless the confessions are recorded or such what's the problem?
    Confessions are anonymous so the priest doesn't know for sure who the penitent is, therefore,
    it's just hearsay at best.
    I don't think anyone is supposed to be an expert in voice recognition.
    Confession need not be anonymous as in the Vatican II church, penitents are given the option of either going face-to-face confession or behind a screen.
    Lord have mercy.

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    Re: They are going after Confession
    « Reply #7 on: August 31, 2018, 03:59:36 PM »
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  • Priests know when they are confessing other priests. Usually it's a personal request or their regular confessor. have you seen a priest in a regular confession line?
    They still might use the confessional however


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    Re: They are going after Confession
    « Reply #8 on: August 31, 2018, 04:46:29 PM »
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  • Priests know when they are confessing other priests. Usually it's a personal request or their regular confessor. have you seen a priest in a regular confession line?
    They still might use the confessional however
    Nothing to prevent them from wearing civies and going to a priest in a place where nobody knows them.

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    Re: They are going after Confession
    « Reply #9 on: August 31, 2018, 04:51:04 PM »
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  • If we are talking about new order (priests), there are no sacraments taking place.  No penance, and any sacrilege.  They are all in the same club/ goof balls anonymous.

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    Re: They are going after Confession
    « Reply #10 on: August 31, 2018, 05:09:12 PM »
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  • Regardless of your beliefs about the validity or invalidity of the n.o., everyone here hopefully knows not to ever take your phone into the confessional.  It can be traced and used against you and the priest, even if it is turned off.  If you must carry it inside, you must remove the battery to render it useless for surveillance.  My phone remains locked and hidden in my car when in Church.  That way, I won't be disturbed or even tempted to have a peek.  If it's that important I be immediately reachable, I consider it a valid reason to miss Mass.  I do know there are exceptions like medical or emergency personnel, etc.  In that case, go to Confession with the battery removed.  Hopefully, safe a general Confession for a time you need not be available.


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    Re: They are going after Confession
    « Reply #11 on: August 31, 2018, 05:25:34 PM »
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  • Our jealous brothers have always wanted to violate the Sacrament of Penance.

    Since their rabbinic priesthood was decapitated, they know they have no power to remit sins.

    Our jealous brothers hate the Sacrament of Penance
    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi

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    Re: They are going after Confession
    « Reply #12 on: August 31, 2018, 05:27:36 PM »
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  • Nothing to prevent them from wearing civies and going to a priest in a place where nobody knows them.
    Several priests have told me that other priests have worn civies to confession, and that they have driven in from far away parishes, needing the drive to clear their heads, but they give clues almost immediately they are priests. Thus, the priest-confessor will ask, "Are you a priest?"
    Lord have mercy.

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    Re: They are going after Confession
    « Reply #13 on: August 31, 2018, 05:42:42 PM »
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  • Several priests have told me that other priests have worn civies to confession, and that they have driven in from far away parishes, needing the drive to clear their heads, but they give clues almost immediately they are priests. Thus, the priest-confessor will ask, "Are you a priest?"
    For a valid confession it is necessary to disclose any circumstances that affect the morality of acts confessed. State of life would certainly affect the morality of the sins relevant here. So if the penitent is a priest, he must inform the confessor that he is a priest if he is trying to make a genuine confession.
    That still doesn't mean the confessor knows with certainty who the penitent is.

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    Re: They are going after Confession
    « Reply #14 on: August 31, 2018, 10:46:32 PM »
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  • My point, is not that a homosexual abusing priest makes an anonymous, open or any other type of confession. It's that some are actually "confessing' to a good priest known to them in their circle, on purpose, to bind them to secrecy about the perversion.  Like I said, it's an exercise in extortion. The "good" priest can't talk or expose them.

     

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