Author Topic: Theologically sound? (Read 595 times)

Kephapaulos · « **on:** December 03, 2006, 04:43:53 PM »

The animation linked here does not seem theologically sound to me:

I thought the virtue of faith came first before the virtue of hope?

I guess the animation is not trying to be theologically accurate, but still I am not sure if it is correct at all in its assertion to not let the flame of hope go out in life when the flames of faith, love, and peace go out.

CampeadorShin · « **Reply #1 on:** December 03, 2006, 08:11:59 PM »

Are not faith hope and love inseperable?

Kephapaulos · « **Reply #2 on:** December 04, 2006, 03:35:39 AM »

Quote from: CampeadorShin

Are not faith hope and love inseperable?

I suppose, but I thought one had to start with faith first and then have hope and then that all leads to the fruit of charity. Maybe I am reading too much into the animation, for I guess you could in a way say we must always have a hope that is motivated by the supernatural virtue of faith, not just any kind of hope. Then I guess we could take the hope in the animation (if we want to, I guess) to be the supernatural virtue of faith that should continue to increase and then lead onward to the fruit of love (what we call charity) which should have peace which is heavenly and ,I am assuming, a characteristic of the virtue of charity.

gladius_veritatis · « **Reply #3 on:** December 04, 2006, 07:13:04 PM »

Quote from: CampeadorShin

Are not faith hope and love inseperable?

They are three virtues, not one. A man can certainly have supernatural faith and hope, yet lack charity (as St. Paul himself explains). Likewise, one can have faith, but not hope and charity.

Faith is the foundation of the other two; charity is the pinnacle. If they were truly inseparable, mortal sin would destroy hope and faith - and that would be all she wrote.

CampeadorShin · « **Reply #4 on:** December 05, 2006, 05:37:21 PM »

I meant one can't function properly without the other two.

gladius_veritatis · « **Reply #5 on:** December 05, 2006, 06:55:32 PM »

Quote from: CampeadorShin

I meant one can't function properly without the other two.

I am not trying to hammer your every response, CS, but faith is still 'fully-functioning' faith (same for hope), even after a man (sadly) loses supernatural charity through sin. If this were not the case, he would never truly repent, nor hope for forgiveness and a restoration to the life of charity.

It is true, however, that God desires a man to possess all three, operating harmoniously to His own glory and the man's sanctification and salvation.

CampeadorShin · « **Reply #6 on:** December 05, 2006, 07:00:07 PM »

This conversation would go alot smoother face to face. :cheers: