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Offline gobosox91

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the Whore of Babylon?
« on: April 18, 2012, 01:21:24 PM »
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  • Who is the whore? I keep being told by Fundies that both the Beast and the Whore are the RCC. Any reason why the Catholic Church is NOT the whore or beast? Who could it be then?

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    « Reply #1 on: April 18, 2012, 01:32:30 PM »
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    Who is the whore? I keep being told by Fundies that both the Beast and the Whore are the RCC. Any reason why the Catholic Church is NOT the whore or beast? Who could it be then?


    I don't know.  The great city doesn't seem to be Rome though.

    And their bodies shall lie in the streets of the great city, which is called spiritually, Sodom and Egypt, where their Lord also was crucified.



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    « Reply #2 on: April 18, 2012, 01:44:22 PM »
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  • Raoul76 makes a great argument on why its the USA. I agree with it. She fornicates with all other countries and takes away their culture, and replaces it with wealth and an evil culture.

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    « Reply #3 on: April 18, 2012, 01:48:33 PM »
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  • But what about claims of how the anti-Christ will be the pope? With JP2's coffin being shaped like a trapezoid which people say is like a satanic symbol.

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    « Reply #4 on: April 18, 2012, 01:49:32 PM »
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  • A whore fornicates, (interfaith).  The biggest whore is ecumenism, interfaith, having relations with everyone under the sun.  As in Vatican II.  


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    « Reply #5 on: April 18, 2012, 01:55:48 PM »
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  • Quote from: gobosox91
    But what about claims of how the anti-Christ will be the pope? With JP2's coffin being shaped like a trapezoid which people say is like a satanic symbol.


    This is why I don't pay too much attention to the book of Revelation without consulting a priest or a book explaining Revelations with an imprimatur on it.

    I mean, look at Myrna's post- that's very convincing to me, and I can see where she's coming from. Raoul's posts are convincing too. The dastardly Dimonds, Mike and Pete, also had me convinced for a while (Deo Gratias I no longer frequent their sick website)

    I think there's far too much else to be concerned with (in the spiritual realm) than to focus on this. The interior life is far more important and goes far more ignored, it seems, in our world today.

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    « Reply #6 on: April 18, 2012, 01:59:27 PM »
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  • Well could you repost what he said?

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    « Reply #7 on: April 18, 2012, 02:51:16 PM »
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  • Where did you get the idea that the antichrist will be a pope?

    My understanding is that the whore of Babylon is the Vatican II church, as Myrna pointed out.


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    « Reply #8 on: April 18, 2012, 06:02:55 PM »
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    « Reply #9 on: April 18, 2012, 06:12:02 PM »
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  • gobosox91- If I may give you a recommendation in fighting your scruples- retreat!

    Retreat to a life of prayer- get away from the 'debate', for now- it will only fuel your scruples and doubt. Pray; meditate; say your Rosary; receive our Blessed Lord, and ask Him after you receive his most Precious Body in your Thanksgiving for help. He wants this of you; you are trying to attack this on an intellectual level, and if you continue, may indeed lose. Its happened many a time before. Be assured you are not the first confronted with this. Those who are successful, are the ones who follow the advice of a good spiritual director (your priest) and who turn to prayer as above.  You need the protection of Christ and his Blessed Mother now, more than anything else. Once you can confirm that you have their help, you can revisit these issues- but not until then.

    You will be in my prayers, indeed.

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    « Reply #10 on: April 18, 2012, 06:15:07 PM »
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  • If a pope is to be the Anti-christ, that is impossible, now a pope pretender, might be...but even that it would be a series of pretender "popes" maybe 5 or 6 or so pretenders, till the Second Coming and God will strike him down as foretold.

    Are we that close to the Second Coming?   That is the question!

    What comes first, the Great Apostasy or the Anti-christ?


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    « Reply #11 on: April 18, 2012, 07:06:44 PM »
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  • The whore of Babylon is the apostate Jews. It was in Babylon that the Jews learned the Kabala which is nothing more than black magic and first devised the oral law or Talmud.  The Jews claimed that they received this oral law directly from Moses but Our Lord vehemently refuted this lie.  The counterfeit religion of Rabbinic Judaism is based on the Kabbalah and the Talmud. The city that Tele mentions with seven hills is Jerusalem in which the Jews crucified our Lord.   Its not possible that the Whore of Babylon could ever be the RCC or that the Pope could be the Antichrist, it would mean that the gates of hell really have prevailed and that Jesus was a liar, which is impossible.   Now it is said that all the nations of the earth have fornicated with the whore.  Could it be that the way we have done this is by allowing the apostate Jews control of our banking system?  Practically every nation on earth (Iran, Cuba and North Korea are the exception) is enmeshed with at the mercy Jewish central banking and it won't be long until they control the whole world.
    My conscience compels me to make this disclaimer lest God judges me partly culpable for the errors and heresy promoted on this forum... For the record I support neither Sedevacantism or the SSPX.  I do not define myself as either a traditionalist or Novus

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    « Reply #12 on: April 18, 2012, 10:39:08 PM »
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  • Nic from Fisheaters has some great insight on Apocalypse.  I can't come anywhere near summarizing it, but basically all the stuff (or most of it) already happened, and Nero was the antichrist.  I don't know if he's here, but if he is I hope he posts in this thread.
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    « Reply #13 on: April 18, 2012, 10:42:57 PM »
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  • Quote from: Mithrandylan
    Nic from Fisheaters has some great insight on Apocalypse.  I can't come anywhere near summarizing it, but basically all the stuff (or most of it) already happened, and Nero was the antichrist.  I don't know if he's here, but if he is I hope he posts in this thread.


    Nero was not the Antichrist.

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    second view admits that the Antichrist is a person, but it maintains that he is a person of the past; Nero, Diocletian, Julian, Caligula, Titus, Simon Magus, Simon the son of Giora, the High Priest Ananias, Vitellius, the Jews, the Pharisees, and the Jewish zealots have been variously identified with the Antichrist. But there is little traditional authority for this opinion; besides, it does not appear to satisfy fully the prophetic predictions, and, in the case of some of its adherents, it is based on the supposition that the inspired writers could not transcend the limits of their experiences.


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