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Offline Gwaredd Thomas

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The Vortex?
« on: November 24, 2017, 12:34:29 PM »
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  • Off and on over the last few years, a friend of mine has sent me several of Michael Voris' videos. I'm not sure what to make out of this character but he, for some reason, makes me uncomfortable. For years, it's been my understanding that he criticizes bishops nonstop. But, the pope: hands off. If one is going to do a favour to Catholics why not tell them the whole Truth instead of pretending that everything is just peachy in the Vatican.

    In my mind, this whole "Vortex" business smells of Vatican II hypocrisy. The whole crowd seems like N.O. Catholics pretending to be "traditionalists". It's no small wonder then, that Voris and company have this huge high-tech studio in Michigan which is funded by some millionaire who, some have said, has laid-down guidelines of what can be reported and not reported. I don't know if any of this is true, but still and all, being a Traditionalist, the whole thing has a bit of a dead fish odour.

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    Re: The Vortex?
    « Reply #1 on: November 24, 2017, 01:25:16 PM »
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  • Your observation is 100 % correct.

    He admits to being a flaming homosexual. What more do we need to know.

    He is part of the controlled opposition, the false "right wing" of the Church.
    The Vatican II church - Assisting Souls to Hell Since 1962

    For there shall arise false Christs and false prophets, and shall show great signs and wonders, insomuch as to deceive (if possible) even the elect. Mat 24:24


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    Re: The Vortex?
    « Reply #2 on: November 24, 2017, 02:16:28 PM »
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  • While I have various problems with things that Michael Voris has said, it is important to accurately describe his issues with homosexual behaviour.  Here is a description in his own words:

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    I have never made a secret that my life prior to my reversion was extremely sinful. I have said many times — in public — that I was in a state of mortal sin, and had I died, I would have been damned. I also revealed these sins were of a sexual nature and that they occurred over a prolonged period of time. I did not reveal the specific nature or details of the sins, because when I returned home to the Church, I did not think that a full public confession of details was necessary in order to start proclaiming the great mercy of God.
    Perhaps that was a wrong assessment. I don't seriously know. Perhaps along these years I should have been revealing of greater detail. That, I now think so, but more on that in a moment.
    Whatever the matter, I will now reveal that for most of my years in my thirties, confused about my own sexuality, I lived a life of live-in relationships with homosexual men. From the outside, I lived the lifestyle and contributed to scandal in addition to the sexual sins. On the inside, I was deeply conflicted about all of it. In a large portion of my twenties, I also had frequent sexual liaisons with both adult men and adult women.
    These are the sins of my past life in this area which are all now publicly admitted and owned by me. That was before my reversion to the Faith.
    https://www.churchmilitant.com/video/episode/limiting-god

    He repented of his sins and turned away from them.  He has not been an active homosexual during the time he was involved in Catholic ministry.  
    Most sweet Jesus, whose overflowing charity for men is requited by so much forgetfulness, negligence and contempt, behold us prostrate before you, eager to repair by a special act of homage the cruel indifference and injuries to which your loving Heart is

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    Re: The Vortex?
    « Reply #3 on: November 24, 2017, 02:18:00 PM »
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  • Your observation is 100 % correct.

    He admits to being a flaming homosexual. What more do we need to know.

    He is part of the controlled opposition, the false "right wing" of the Church.
    "He admits to being a flaming homosexual".

    In a well-touted video, he lays bare all his past sins, [no pun intended] because the Archdiocese of New York was going to lay it bare for him. And was "praised" by his followers as being "courageous". He stated that he gave it all up and then started his "show" sometime after.

    Several years ago, after I had been sent a couple of these vids, I went on-line and had my say with this British blighter. This bloke is one strange duck. He cussed me out for my "lack of Faith" and a few rather explicit verbiage I'd rather not repeat. Not too Catholic, what?
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    Re: The Vortex?
    « Reply #4 on: November 24, 2017, 02:20:33 PM »
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  • The whole crowd seems like N.O. Catholics pretending to be "traditionalists". 
    One sometimes sees this position called "neo-conservative".  Unfortunately that can be confusing since this term can also refer to a political position.
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    Re: The Vortex?
    « Reply #5 on: November 24, 2017, 02:27:06 PM »
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  • While I have various problems with things that Michael Voris has said, it is important to accurately describe his issues with homosexual behaviour.  Here is a description in his own words:
    https://www.churchmilitant.com/video/episode/limiting-god

    He repented of his sins and turned away from them.  He has not been an active homosexual during the time he was involved in Catholic ministry.  
    Why are you telling me something I already know? I've watched that video. I still stand by what I wrote in my first post. I see from your spelling you must be from the UK: correct? if so, Iechyd da!
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    Re: The Vortex?
    « Reply #6 on: November 24, 2017, 02:39:54 PM »
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  • Why are you telling me something I already know? I've watched that video. I still stand by what I wrote in my first post. I see from your spelling you must be from the UK: correct? if so, Iechyd da!

    I thought that people unfamiliar with the situation might be confused by Last Tradhican's words:
    He admits to being a flaming homosexual. What more do we need to know.

    This could be misunderstood as saying that Mr. Voris is still an active homosexual.  As a person with a lot of sins in my past,  I like to make a clear distinction between past repented sins and current ones.  My assessment of his "ministry" is similar to your own.

    I am not from the UK; I'm Canadian.  
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    Re: The Vortex?
    « Reply #7 on: November 24, 2017, 02:42:35 PM »
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  • Gwaredd, there's been a lot said about Voris here on CathInfo. If you a search you will find copious material about him and his shenanigans. Randy Engel is probably the best source. She is thorough and unrelenting in her effort to rout out the rot in the Church. 

    You could try these:

    https://www.cathinfo.com/sspx-resistance-news/michael-voris-and-church-militant-'promote'-milo/
    https://www.cathinfo.com/crisis-in-the-church/looking-for-a-very-old-realcatholictv-video/
    https://www.cathinfo.com/fighting-errors-in-the-modern-world/randy-engel-michael-voris-defends-and-promotes-opus-dei/

     


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    Re: The Vortex?
    « Reply #8 on: November 24, 2017, 02:48:16 PM »
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  • I thought that people unfamiliar with the situation might be confused by Last Tradhican's words:
    This could be misunderstood as saying that Mr. Voris is still an active homosexual.  As a person with a lot of sins in my past,  I like to make a clear distinction between past repented sins and current ones.  My assessment of his "ministry" is similar to your own.

    I am not from the UK; I'm Canadian.  
    "My assessment of his "ministry" is similar to your own".

    What cheek! I don't have a "ministry" and if I did, it wouldn't be anything like Voris' I can assure you of that. Furthermore, I don't need to be taught about the distinction between past sins that are forgiven and current ones. YOU like to make distinctions as though I'm so stupid that I do not. You seem to be a rather haughty person, sniff, sniff.
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    Re: The Vortex?
    « Reply #9 on: November 24, 2017, 02:51:03 PM »
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  • Gwaredd, there's been a lot said about Voris here on CathInfo. If you a search you will find copious material about him and his shenanigans. Randy Engel is probably the best source. She is thorough and unrelenting in her effort to rout out the rot in the Church.

    You could try these:

    https://www.cathinfo.com/sspx-resistance-news/michael-voris-and-church-militant-'promote'-milo/
    https://www.cathinfo.com/crisis-in-the-church/looking-for-a-very-old-realcatholictv-video/
    https://www.cathinfo.com/fighting-errors-in-the-modern-world/randy-engel-michael-voris-defends-and-promotes-opus-dei/

     
    Thanks, Nadir. I wasn't aware of those since I'm rather new to this site. But I will surely check out the links you provided.
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    Re: The Vortex?
    « Reply #10 on: November 24, 2017, 02:51:40 PM »
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  • "My assessment of his "ministry" is similar to your own".

    What cheek! I don't have a "ministry" and if I did, it wouldn't be anything like Voris' I can assure you of that. Furthermore, I don't need to be taught about the distinction between past sins that are forgiven and current ones. YOU like to make distinctions as though I'm so stupid that I do not. You seem to be a rather haughty person, sniff, sniff.
    Well if that's your reaction when I  tell you that I agree with you, I don't want to see what you would do if I were to disagree.   :laugh1:
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    Re: The Vortex?
    « Reply #11 on: November 24, 2017, 02:59:44 PM »
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  • Well if that's your reaction when I  tell you that I agree with you, I don't want to see what you would do if I were to disagree.   :laugh1:
    My most humble apologies. Seriously! I was reading the wrong post. Please forgive. I need to read more carefully before I write rubbish. 🤔

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    Re: The Vortex?
    « Reply #12 on: November 24, 2017, 03:10:09 PM »
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  • He repented of his sins and turned away from them.  He has not been an active homosexual during the time he was involved in Catholic ministry.  

    I'm not sure that I believe that.  I don't completely trust him to be sincere in the views he promotes on his show and never have.  He strikes me as an actor who started up this show as a way to make a career of it for himself.  And, if that's the case, his alleged repentance can be questioned as well.  Basically, my general impression of him ... just a gut feel ... is that he is not to be trusted.  Reformed active homosexual is like a reformed alcoholic or reformed crack addict.  I wouldn't let my kids near him.

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    Re: The Vortex?
    « Reply #13 on: November 24, 2017, 03:16:02 PM »
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    Re: The Vortex?
    « Reply #14 on: November 24, 2017, 03:17:20 PM »
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  • I'm not sure that I believe that.
    "I'm not sure that I believe that".

    It's interesting that you should say that since I was provided with some links by Nadir. In watching the one where this Shoebat, who appears to be a bit looney, was interviewing Voris about Milo being on his show. Why in Heaven's name would Voris have an unapologetic poofter like Milo on his program? I listened to Voris' squirm as he tried to justify his reasons for doing so. Seems a bit suspicious to me, what?
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