Author Topic: Leonine Prayers Optional? (Read 3779 times)

SJB · « **Reply #10 on:** March 17, 2013, 05:46:00 PM »

Quote from: Neil Obstat

Quote from: Zeitun
I attended Low Mass at an SSPX chapel yesterday. There were no Leonine Prayers--instead we were to recite some prayer to St. Joseph.

What is this about? We were confused.

All you need is justification for the omission...

Quote from: SJB

332 CANON 451 [Private]

In connection with the prayers after Mass, we wish to remind
you that only a serious reason would justify the omission of the
usual Leonine Prayers...

Perhaps a prayer to St. Joseph is considered "a serious reason"
in the SSPX, after all, this is the month of St. Joseph, and +Fellay,
et. al., are doing a worldwide consecration of the Society (that is,
what's left of it) to St. Joseph -- that would be on Tuesday the 19th.

This will be the second time in 55 years that St. Joseph has been
used as an excuse for Modernization, if I'm not mistaken.

Fr. Cekada never says the Leonine prayers and I believe he also denies the prayers being said for the intention of Russia ever really existed. Just in case he was wrong, he further stated that Russia no longer needed those prayers.

bowler · « **Reply #11 on:** March 17, 2013, 06:57:40 PM »

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Fr. Cekada never says the Leonine prayers and I believe he also denies the prayers being said for the intention of Russia ever really existed. Just in case he was wrong, he further stated that Russia no longer needed those prayers.

Thanks for the warning. Cekada has lost his marbles.

Sigismund · « **Reply #12 on:** March 17, 2013, 07:24:26 PM »

Quote from: Neil Obstat

Quote from: Zeitun
I attended Low Mass at an SSPX chapel yesterday. There were no Leonine Prayers--instead we were to recite some prayer to St. Joseph.

What is this about? We were confused.

All you need is justification for the omission...

Quote from: SJB

332 CANON 451 [Private]

In connection with the prayers after Mass, we wish to remind
you that only a serious reason would justify the omission of the
usual Leonine Prayers...

Perhaps a prayer to St. Joseph is considered "a serious reason"
in the SSPX, after all, this is the month of St. Joseph, and +Fellay,
et. al., are doing a worldwide consecration of the Society (that is,
what's left of it) to St. Joseph -- that would be on Tuesday the 19th.

This will be the second time in 55 years that St. Joseph has been
used as an excuse for Modernization, if I'm not mistaken.

Is there any reason the priest couldn't simply say both?

Sigismund · « **Reply #13 on:** March 17, 2013, 07:26:09 PM »

Quote from: SJB

Quote from: Neil Obstat
Quote from: Zeitun
I attended Low Mass at an SSPX chapel yesterday. There were no Leonine Prayers--instead we were to recite some prayer to St. Joseph.

What is this about? We were confused.

All you need is justification for the omission...

Quote from: SJB

332 CANON 451 [Private]

In connection with the prayers after Mass, we wish to remind
you that only a serious reason would justify the omission of the
usual Leonine Prayers...

Perhaps a prayer to St. Joseph is considered "a serious reason"
in the SSPX, after all, this is the month of St. Joseph, and +Fellay,
et. al., are doing a worldwide consecration of the Society (that is,
what's left of it) to St. Joseph -- that would be on Tuesday the 19th.

This will be the second time in 55 years that St. Joseph has been
used as an excuse for Modernization, if I'm not mistaken.

Fr. Cekada never says the Leonine prayers and I believe he also denies the prayers being said for the intention of Russia ever really existed. Just in case he was wrong, he further stated that Russia no longer needed those prayers.

Yeah, now that Russia is Catholic and all...

SJB · « **Reply #14 on:** March 17, 2013, 08:01:54 PM »

Quote from: Footnote from Cekada article on the Leonine Prayers

T. Lincoln Bouscaren SJ & Adam C. Ellis SJ, Canon Law: A Text and Commentary, (Milwaukee: Bruce 1946), 35. “A law may cease to bind in two ways: either by repeal, which is called extrinsic cessation, or by becoming inoperative without repeal, which is called intrinsic cessation. It is common doctrine that a law ceases to bind without repeal in two cases: first, if the circuмstances are such that the law has become positively harmful or unreasonable; second, if the purpose of the law has entirely ceased for the entire community.”

So Fr. Cekada has the Leonine Prayers ceasing to bind because either those prayers have "become positively harmful or unreasonable," or "the purpose of the law has entirely ceased for the entire community."

Or ...

He just doesn't want to say the prayers because he'd like to do his own thing.