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Offline Jack in the Box

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THE TRANSFIGURATION
« on: November 28, 2012, 12:47:56 PM »
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  • Those lines below are about a correlation between the Mystery of the Transfiguration, and the End Time.

    It is certain that Enock and Elias, the two watchers of the Book of Revelation, are now on earth. Both Prophets of the End Time have not been made public yet, but they are clearly manifesting their presence by the many calamities that are tormenting the planet and its inhabitants. There are hundreds of precursors of those two prophets who tell about the reasons of those said calamities. Those precursors may be found on the Internet. Some others are unpopular televangelists, and perhaps His Grace Bishop Williamson, might be also one, and the only apostle of the Catholic Church, of these (precursors).
    Enock is to preach to the Gentiles, and Elias is to preach to the Jєωs. I posted previously that only 144,000 virgin Jєωs will be saved (with the Jєωs of the Tribe of Dan excepted). This statement of mine is not entirely true, because those 144,000 will be the rapt-ed. Other Jєωs will be saved. Those will converted to Jesus Christ Our Lord by Elias.
    The Prophet Elias should be given authority over the Jєωs through the TRANSFIGURATION.
    During the TRANSFIGURATION, Jesus Christ Our Lord, in front of three witnesses (Peter, James and John) became glorified, and was seen conversing with both Moses and Elias.
    Moses is a major prophets of the Jєωs. Moses is therefore recognized by the Jєωs. Since Moses was seen side-by-side with Elias, this means that Elias (considered a minor prophet by the Jєωs) is given gravitas. The Mystery of the Transfiguration also shows that Jesus Christ Our Lord was given priority over both prophets, when both prophets disappeared, and only Jesus, the beloved Son, remained in front of Peter, James and John.
    The TRANSFIGURATION is a multiple-message from God. It appears that among those many messages is an appeal to the Jєωs to conversion through the Prophet Elias during the End Time. If this "theory" is correct, it is one more proof of the love of God who wishes to save many, even to save His chosen people who have rejected Him and have become the "perfidious Jєωs". The Jєωs thus will have the privilege to have their "own" prophet, who is Elias.
    The creation of the State of Israel, which I un-diplomatically named a "rat-trap", is more so of a honeycomb, where many Jєωs will take refuge during the next soon-to-come persecutions. The Jєωs residing in Israel will then be able to listen to the Prophet Elias. Hopefully at this time the Jєωs will reject the Antichrist, who also will be in Israel. The Antichrist is on earth (our Pope Benedict said so while he was Prefect of the CDF), he is born of a "false virgin a Hebrew-nun who communicates with the old serpent" (Our Lady of La Salette). Hopefully the perfidious Jєωs will reject the Antichrist, listen to the Prophet Elias and convert to Jesus Christ Our Lord, born of the Blessed Virgin Mary (a daughter of Abraham).
    The TRANSFIGURATION, in showing Elias besides Moses, might be one more proof of both the infinite farsightedness of God, and of His infinite love, even for a people who have rejected Him, and who continue to be a contradiction.


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    « Reply #1 on: November 28, 2012, 01:03:52 PM »
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  • Matthew, please stop this garbage already.

    We have enough to think about and pray about that is legitimate
    without yet another psychotic episode being passed off as 'prophecy'.

    These private 'revelations' are useless, pointless and usually blaspemous
    and heretical.

    I know I'm not alone in this opinion; CathInfo doesn't need to be clogged up
    with this kind of nonsense.
    This evil of heresy spreads itself. The doctrines of godliness are overturned; the rules of the Church are in confusion; the ambition of the unprincipled seizes upon places of authority; and the chief seat [the Papacy] is now openly proposed as a rewar


    Offline ServusSpiritusSancti

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    « Reply #2 on: November 28, 2012, 01:37:52 PM »
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  • Self-appointed prophets tend to have a problem with pride, and no exception here. A layman here is trying to portray himself as some "chosen one" and keeps harping about ridiculous prophecies. You also said, Jack. that Mitt Romney would be our next president. So much for that, eh? After Obama won re-election, you conveniently stopped talking about the election, rather than admit you were wrong.

    Maybe you should do ss Matthew says and spend more time reading and less time posting. Or better yet, hit the road Jack,...
    Please ignore ALL of my posts. I was naive during my time posting on this forum and didn’t know any better. I retract and deeply regret any and all uncharitable or erroneous statements I ever made here.

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    « Reply #3 on: November 28, 2012, 02:28:36 PM »
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    Offline Jack in the Box

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    « Reply #4 on: November 28, 2012, 02:35:44 PM »
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  • Greetings to the critics: The TRANSFIGURATION showed Moses and Elias conversing with Jesus Christ Our Lord. Why those two particular prophets?

    Our Lady of La Salette said that in our time, "Enock and Elias will be on earth". Since the Blessed Virgin Mary is the Queen of Prophets, we know that the two watchers will be them, since she named them.

    This "theory" of showing Elias besides Moses raises-up the importance of Elias towards the Jєωs. The Jєωs will listen to Elias, because he was seen besides Moses.

    I'll add one more point on this forum: Elias and Enock were both taken alive into Heaven. It is written on the Ancient Testament. Enock, the antediluvian prophet, is also acknowledged in the New Testament in the Book of Jude. The "point" is that those two prophets are the only ones to have been seen being taken into Heaven, besides Our Lord (Our Blessed Mother was not seen ascending into Heaven, and this is why she is "Assumed"). The fact that Elias and Enock have not known death might be a reason why both will know death when they both will be killed by the Beast. When Enock and Elias will have known death, they will as Our Lord who knew death for three days before ascending into Heaven. The ministry of those two prophets will then have more credulity towards the world, and a great impact.

    I understand the disturbing nature of this posting. Please put aside the personal griefs. We are in the End Time. Many mysteries are supposed to be revealed. The conversion of the Jєωs is important. The Jєωs will be given a choice between Jesus Christ Our Lord, the true Messiah, or the Prince of the World, Satan. This is why the Jєωs will have their "own" prophet, who is Elias. This is perhaps why Elias was seen besides Moses during the Mystery of the Transfiguration.



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    « Reply #5 on: November 28, 2012, 02:41:04 PM »
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  • Notice how Jack still conveniently does not address that his prophecy on Romney winning the election didn't happen.

    Sorry, but when one prophecy of yours doesn't happen, the rest aren't likely to either, so you've already lost credibility.
    Please ignore ALL of my posts. I was naive during my time posting on this forum and didn’t know any better. I retract and deeply regret any and all uncharitable or erroneous statements I ever made here.

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    « Reply #6 on: November 28, 2012, 03:18:58 PM »
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  • Greeting Spiritus Sanctus: This posting is not a prophecy. It is the raising-up of a theory, which so far has not been challenged rationally.

    The Prophecies that I mention comes from Our Lady of La Salette, who in 1846 named Enock and Elias in a plain language as being the prophets of the Tribulations. Also I base this theory on the prophecies of the Bible.

    The Mystery of the Transfiguration is precisely that: a "mystery". Why was Elias and Moses seen conversing with Our Lord Jesus Christ? I have never heared an explanation in catechism as to why those two particular persons were shown during the Mystery of the Transfiguration. I wish to have a rational explanation: this is the reason of a forum.


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    « Reply #7 on: November 28, 2012, 03:57:23 PM »
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  • Quote from: Jack
    Our Blessed Mother was not seen ascending into Heaven, and this is why she is "Assumed


    You're a fool. The word "assumption" in the case of Our Lady does NOT mean we ASSUME it happened. The definition of assumption you are using, the act of taking for granted, is only the THIRD definition according to the dictionary.

    The first two definitions for assumption are:

    1.  The act of taking to or upon oneself: assumption of an obligation.
    2.  The act of taking possession or asserting a claim: assumption of command.

    Almighty God chose to act upon the Virgin by taking her to Himself AND by asserting His claim over her. Since she was without sin by His gracious protection of her from her conception, and she was totally His by her fiat, Mary was most uniquely the possession of God the Holy Ghost, her Spouse. He miraculously took her to heaven because she was not to spend any time among the corruptible bodies of the dead.

    Honestly, I don't believe anymore that Jack is a sincere person who is deceived. I see just enough error in some of these posts that it seems like bait for a trap or a debate.

    Some posts, of course, are hogwash from the first letter. Others, like this one, seem to be FAR too simplistic. Really? Someone who claims to be Catholic and doesn't know what the Assumption is?

    Also, you started out by claiming you had visions/messages/whatever about MOSES and Elias. Now, all of a sudden, it's ENOCK and Elias. Which is it?

    "I base this theory on the prophecies of the Bible." You have NO right to interpret the writings of Scripture, since you have no charism to do so.

    A rational explanation for Moses and Elias? Simple. Moses represents the Law, or the commandments of God to His people that all prefigure Christ Our Lord. Elias represents the writings of the prophets, who all spoke of the One Who would fulfill the Law and usher in the New Covenant through the Church.

    Either ask questions and get instructed by those more learned than you or I, or go elsewhere and post your indigestion-fueled nightmares and private messages from wherever you get them. You are not speaking with, and cannot speak with, the Voice of Christ, which is His Church, so please do not claim an ability to understand and teach prophecy. You are once again courting heresy and have not retracted a single false thing you have said since joining.
    This evil of heresy spreads itself. The doctrines of godliness are overturned; the rules of the Church are in confusion; the ambition of the unprincipled seizes upon places of authority; and the chief seat [the Papacy] is now openly proposed as a rewar


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    « Reply #8 on: November 28, 2012, 04:32:50 PM »
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  • Greetings Steven Francis: The word "Assumption", means a supposition, something taken for granted. The Dogma of the Assumption is understood by the Catholics as being Our Blessed Mother ascending into Heaven. My understanding of the using of the name "Assumption" is to be for external consumption, that is for the non-Catholics, because there was no witness to the ascending of the Blessed Virgin Mary into Heaven .
    The Ancient Testament speaks of Enock being taken into Heaven (Genesis), and the taking into Heaven of Elias is also spoken in the Ancient Testament. The Ascension of Our Lord is in the New Testament. All those three ascensions into Heaven were witnessed, while the ascension into Heaven of the Blessed Virgin Mary is pure belief from the faithful, and also for the few seers who have seen her, or spoken to her.

    You are addressing a side issue to the topic raised by this posting. Why was Moses and Elias conversing with Our Lord glorified during the Transfiguration? I wish to have a response to this question other than mine.
    The "theory" that I present seems logical. The Jєωs are still waiting for the Messiah. They failed to recognize that Jesus Christ was the Messiah. The Tribulations are imminent, and soon the Jєωs will have a choice to make: either chose the Antichrist as being the Messiah, or recognize their error and convert to Jesus Christ. It is the Prophet Elias who will preach to the Jєωs in Jerusalem for 1260 days. The Prophet Elias will be given supplementary credibility towards the Jєωs because he was seen besides Moses during the Transfiguration.

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    « Reply #9 on: December 01, 2012, 03:05:27 PM »
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  • NEW INPUT TO THIS POSTING:
    The Mystery of the Transfiguration has several meanings. This is expected, for the reason that God Almighty is capable to say several things at once. God is also capable to have messages understood in a timely maner. For example the Book of Revelation was unclear for about two thousand years, and now that we are in the End Time season, this prophecy may be perfectly understood in both chronology and events by the faithful.

    The Mystery of the Transfiguration was primarily to show that Jesus Christ is God. This is what is taught in catechism. An other meaning is that there is life after death, since Moses, who had been dead, and had been buried was seen conversing with Jesus. This latest proves to the Protestants that indeed there are some who live in heaven long before Judgement Day, implying that the Virgin Mary is most certainly in heaven, since she could not have died because she was without sin (Dogma of the Immaculate Conception). An other meaning could be a promise to go to heaven to the three witnesses who were the Apostles Peter, James and John.

    This current posting TRANSFIGURATION, a theory, is apparently an un-heared theory because no one in this forum has given a significant input. I'll ask then the following questions: Why did Our Lord not converse with Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, instead of Moses and Elias? Why did He not converse with David instead? or why not with Amos, who is the prophet who brought back Israel from the captivity of Babylon, therefore Amos being a pair to Moses? etc.
    This input is that the presence of Elias during the Mystery of the Transfiguration must have a particular significance. This posting that demonstrates that Elias was seen besides Moses in order to show his importance as an equal to Moses is an appeal to the Jєωs to listen to the Prophet Elias during the Tribulations.
    We know, from Our Lady of La Salette, that Elias and Enock will be the two witnesses (watchers) "in our time".
    As usual, this subject is way over my head. Please post your opinion.