One of the bases of Catholicism is that Heaven is attained by Faith and works, NOT by racial preference by God,
You're not understanding the point. The point is that the converted Israelites are favored above the converted Gentile. That's what the verse means. It has nothing to do with the process of salvation:
“Thus saith the Lord God: Behold I will lift up my hand to the Gentiles, and will set up my standard to the people. And they shall bring thy sons in their arms, and carry thy daughters upon their shoulders. And kings shall be thy nursing fathers, and queens thy nurses: they shall worship thee with their face toward the earth, and they shall lick up the dust of thy feet.” (Is. 49:22-23)And as for the commentaries upon this passage: Are you serious?
Ver. 22. Shoulders. Thus the Syrians commonly carried children astride. (Cotovic. xiv.)Ver. 23. Nurses. The Persian kings favoured the captives. The greatest monarchs bow before the prelates of the Church, (Menochius) and kiss the Pope's toe. They venerate relics, (Haydock) and greatly enrich the Church. (Calmet)These have got to be some of the lamest attempts at biblical interpretation I've ever seen. In fact, they border on idiotic.
"Thus the Syrians carried children astride?" What? Do you honestly believe this is what the verse is talking about? First of all, the chapter in general is concerned with the Nation of Israel - not the Gentile Church:
"Thus saith the Lord the redeemer of Israel, his Holy One, to the soul that is despised, to the nation that is abhorred..."Unless, of course, you want to posit that the "abhorred nation" is the Catholic Church. Otherwise, it's clearly the Nation of Israel. This is blatantly obvious. Read the chapter. It's talking about God's remembering Israel in its afflictions; gathering them back to the land; and glorifying them. That's what the whole chapter is about:
"Behold these shall come from afar, and behold these from the north and from the sea, and these from the south country. Give praise, O ye heavens, and rejoice, O earth, ye mountains, give praise with jubilation: because the Lord hath comforted his people, and will have mercy on his poor ones. And Sion said: The Lord hath forsaken me, and the Lord hath forgotten me. Can a woman forget her infant, so as not to have pity on the son of her womb? and if she should forget, yet will not I forget thee." (Is. 49:12-15)This verse:
"And they shall bring thy sons in their arms, and carry thy daughters upon their shoulders..." has absolutely NOTHING to do with Syrian customs of carrying children. That is so doggone stupid I can't even believe someone said it. And you swallowed it!
And this verse:
"kings shall be thy nursing fathers..." refers to the Persian kings' favoring the captives? You've lost your mind. This interpretation is equally as lame as the previous one. And what about the verses regarding the Gentiles' worshiping Israel with their heads to the ground? Maybe this refers to the Greeks' practice of using the bathroom while standing on their head? Come to your senses, man. This is NOT Biblical interpretation. It's sophomoric idiocy. Protestants aren't even this bad. At least Protestants' interpretations have some relevance to the context - or at least the passage in question.
This is what's going on with these ridiculous interpretations: Ever since the time of Constantine, and his misplaced hatred for anything that smacked of "Jєωιѕнness", the Church's theologians have tried emphatically to downplay any references to God's favoring of Israel. At all cost, they try and persuade Catholics that Israel is forevermore condemned by God and will
never again be reinstated as His Firstborn. And this is exactly the puke you spew: Israel killed their Messiah, and therefore they will
never again attain any favor in God's eyes. Baloney. Read the prophets. Yes, they committed the most heinous act conceivable, but God has never completely forgotten them. Throughout the writings of the ancient prophets, He promises over and over and over and over again that He will ultimately have mercy on them, convert them, and bring them back to the land He promised them - not for their sake, but for the sake of His Holy Name:
"And I have regarded my own holy name, which the house of Israel hath profaned among the nations to which they went in. Therefore thou shalt say to the house of Israel: Thus saith the Lord God: It is not for your sake that I will do this, O house of Israel, but for my holy name's sake...And I will sanctify my great name, which was profaned among the Gentiles, which you have profaned in the midst of them: that the Gentiles may know that I am the Lord, saith the Lord of hosts, when I shall be sanctified in you before their eyes. For I will take you from among the Gentiles, and will gather you together out of all the countries, and will bring you into your own land." (Ez. 36:21-24) Again, God will bring Israel back to their land NOT for their sake, but for His Holy Name's sake. And so, what these verses mentioned above (
"kings shall be thy nursing fathers, etc.") are talking about, in a poetic and metaphorical sense, is the way in which God is going to favor His Firstborn. He will not only convert them, and bring them back to the land of Israel, but He will carry them back in the arms of the Gentiles. And not only this, but He will glorify them among the Gentile nations - so much so that the whole world will know that God favors His Firstborn:
"Behold I will cut off all that have afflicted thee at that time: and I will save her that halteth, and will gather her that was cast out: and I will get them praise, and a name, in all the land where they had been put to confusion. At that time, when I will bring you: and at the time that I will gather you: for I will give you a name, and praise among all the people of the earth, when I shall have brought back your captivity before your eyes, saith the Lord." (Zeph. 3:19-20)And regarding the future return of Israel to the actual physical Land of Israel, the Scriptures are crystal clear about this. Your statement that:
"I know Christ will return and take His seat in Jerusalem, but that doesn't mean there are physical descendants of David that will dwell with Him there." is both logically absurd, and Scripturally incorrect. Below are just
some of the verses that speak of the
physical descendants of Israel returning to the
physical Land of Israel:
"And it shall come to pass in that day, that the Lord shall set his hand the second time to possess the remnant of his people, which shall be left from the Assyrians, and from Egypt, and from Phetros, and from Ethiopia, and from Elam, and from Sennaar, and from Emath, and from the islands of the sea. And he shall set up a standard unto the nations, and shall assemble the fugitives of Israel, and shall gather together the dispersed of Juda from the four quarters of the earth. And the envy of Ephraim shall be taken away, and the enemies of Juda shall perish: Ephraim shall not envy Juda, and Juda shall not fight against Ephraim.. And there shall be a highway for the remnant of my people, which shall be left from the Assyrians: as there was for Israel in the day that he came up out of the land of Egypt." (Is. 11:11-13,16) "For a, small moment have I forsaken thee, but with great mercies will I gather thee. In a moment of indignation have I hid my face a little while from thee, but with everlasting kindness have I had mercy on thee, said the Lord thy Redeemer." (Is. 54:7-8 ) "And the Gentiles shall see thy just one, and all kings thy glorious one: and thou shalt be called by a new name, which the mouth of the Lord shall name. And thou shalt be a crown of glory in the hand of the Lord, and a royal diadem in the hand of thy God. Thou shalt no more be called Forsaken: and thy land shall no more be called Desolate: but thou shalt be called My pleasure in her, and thy land inhabited. Because the Lord hath been well pleased with thee: and thy land shall be inhabited." (Is. 62:2-4) "Fear not, for I am with thee: I will bring thy seed from the east, and gather thee from the west." (Is. 43:5)"Therefore thus saith the Lord God: Because I have removed them far off among the Gentiles, and because I have scattered them among the countries: I will be to them a little sanctuary in the countries whither they are come. Therefore speak to them: Thus saith the Lord God: I will gather you from among the peoples, and assemble you out of the countries wherein you are scattered, and I will give you the land of Israel." (Ez. 11:16-17)"In my holy mountain, in the high mountain of Israel, saith the Lord God, there shall all the house of Israel serve me; all of them I say, in the land in which they shall please me, and there will I require your firstfruits, and the chief of your tithes with all your sanctifications. I will accept of you for an odour of sweetness, when I shall have brought you out from the people, and shall have gathered you out of the lands into which you are scattered, and I will be sanctified in you in the sight of the nations. And you shall know that I am the Lord, when I shall have brought you into the land of Israel, into the land for which I lifted up my hand to give it to your fathers. And there you shall remember your ways, and all your wicked doings with which you have been defiled; and you shall be displeased with yourselves in your own sight, for all your wicked deeds which you committed. And you shall know that I am the Lord, when I shall have done well by you for my own name's sake, and not according to your evil ways, nor according to your wicked deeds, O house of Israel, saith the Lord God." (Ez. 20:40-44)"Thus saith the Lord God: When I shall have gathered together the house of Israel out of the people among whom they are scattered: I will be sanctified in them before the Gentiles: and they shall dwell in their own land, which I gave to my servant Jacob. And they shall dwell therein secure, and they shall build houses, and shall plant vineyards, and shall dwell with confidence, when I shall have executed judgments upon all that are their enemies round about: and they shall know that I am the Lord their God." (Ez. 28:25-26)"...so will I visit my sheep, and will deliver them out of all the places where they have been scattered in the cloudy and dark day. And I will bring them out from the peoples, and will gather them out of the countries, and will bring them to their own land: and I will feed them in the mountains of Israel, by the rivers, and in all the habitations of the land. I will feed them in the most fruitful pastures, and their pastures shall be in the high mountains of Israel: there shall they rest on the green grass, and be fed in fat pastures upon the mountains of Israel." (Ez. 34:12-14)"And I have regarded my own holy name, which the house of Israel hath profaned among the nations to which they went in. Therefore thou shalt say to the house of Israel: Thus saith the Lord God: It is not for your sake that I will do this, O house of Israel, but for my holy name's sake, which you have profaned among the nations whither you went. And I will sanctify my great name, which was profaned among the Gentiles, which you have profaned in the midst of them: that the Gentiles may know that I am the Lord, saith the Lord of hosts, when I shall be sanctified in you before their eyes. For I will take you from among the Gentiles, and will gather you together out of all the countries, and will bring you into your own land. And I will pour upon you clean water, and you shall be cleansed from all your filthiness, and I will cleanse you from all your idols." (Ez. 36:21-25)"And thou shalt say to them: Thus saith the Lord God: Behold, I will take the children of Israel from the midst of the nations whither they are gone: and I will gather them on every side, and will bring them to their own land. And I will make them one nation in the land on the mountains of Israel, and one king shall be king over them all: and they shall no more be two nations, neither shall they be divided any more into two kingdoms." (Ez. 37:21-22) "And they shall bear their confusion, and all the transgressions wherewith they have transgressed against me, when they shall dwell in their land securely fearing no man: And I shall have brought them back from among the nations, and shall have gathered them together out of the lands of their enemies, and shall be sanctified in them, in the sight of many nations. And they shall know that I am the Lord their God, because I caused them to be carried away among the nations; and I have gathered them together unto their own land, and have not left any of them there. And I will hide my face no more from them, for I have poured out my spirit upon all the house of Israel, saith the Lord God." (Ez. 39:26-29) "For behold the days come, saith the Lord, and I will bring again the captivity of my people Israel and Juda, saith the Lord: and I will cause them to return to the land which I gave to their fathers, and they shall possess it." (Jer. 30:3)"Behold I will bring them from the north country, and will gather them from the ends of the earth: and among them shall be the blind, and the lame, the woman with child, and she that is bringing forth, together, a great company of them returning hither. They shall come with weeping: and I will bring them back in mercy: and I will bring them through the torrents of waters in a right way, and they shall not stumble in it: for I am a father to Israel, and Ephraim is my firstborn. Hear the word of the Lord, O ye nations, and declare it in the islands that are afar off, and say: He that scattered Israel will gather him: and he will keep him as the shepherd doth his flock." (Jer. 31:8-10)"In that day I will raise up the tabernacle of David, that is fallen: and I will close up the breaches of the walls thereof, and repair what was fallen: and I will rebuild it as in the days of old. And I will bring back the captivity of my people Israel: and they shall build the abandoned cities, and inhabit them: and they shall plant vineyards, and drink the wine of them: and shall make gardens, and eat the fruits of them. And I will plant them upon their own land: and I will no more pluck them out of their land which I have given them, saith the Lord thy God." (Amos 9:11,14)"I will assemble and gather together all of thee, O Jacob: I will bring together the remnant of Israel, I will put them together as a flock in the fold, as the sheep in the midst of the sheepcotes..." (Micah 2:12)"And I will bring them back out of the land of Egypt, and will gather them from among the Assyrians: and will bring them to the land of Galaad, and Libanus, and place shall not be found for them." (Zach. 10:10)And the quotes go on and on and on...
So much for your position that the physical descendants of Israel are not the ones who will be gathered back to the Land of Israel. Again, you may be able to quote Scripture, but you have no idea what it means (no doubt due to your reliance on absurdly ridiculous biblical commentaries).
And what about your statement that the 1000 years doesn't actually mean 1000 years:
"The Catholic view is that the world is currently living in the Millennial age. "1,000 years" is not necessarily literal in meaning, but only figurative to denote a very long age." One thousand years doesn't actually mean one-thousand years. Of course. That makes perfect sense. Where was my head? That means, according to Scripture, Satan has been chained up for "a very long age"? Amazing. When did that start? When was Satan chained up Croix de Fer? Perhaps never. Perhaps when the Apocalypse prophesied that Satan would be chained for 1000 years, it actually meant he wouldn't be chained at all... Now I get it. Now I'm beginning to understand how to interpret Scripture. Thanks. And perhaps St. Jerome (quoted by Benedict XV) didn't actually mean we should look to the literal meaning of Scripture first - and
then move according to that meaning to the spiritual. No, we should just jump right into the spiritual. Toss the literal meaning in the garbage. Right. That's NOT how scholarly interpretation of Scripture works, Croix de Fer. This is
not the Catholic method of interpretation. A Catholic looks at the verse, takes note of the literal sense, and then FROM THAT LITERAL SENSE moves to a spiritual sense. He doesn't just toss the literal sense in the garbage. Nor is your stupid interpretation based upon anything Scriptural at all. Tell us, when and where has Scripture ever referred to 1000 years as "a very long age"? Where? Tell us. Where does this interpretation come from? I'll tell you where... Nowhere. There's absolutely NO POSSIBLE WAY to arrive at your ridiculous interpretation by using Scripture. Nor can we arrive there via any historical records - neither secular, nor religious. In short, there is absolutely no reason whatsoever to imagine that 1000 years means anything but what it says. And you are totally naive for swallowing this puke. And all the more Scripturally ignorant because of it.
And what is this comment of yours supposed to mean:
"After the Diaspora, the ѕуηαgσgυє lost their biological lineage to David". The Jews lost their BIOLOGICAL lineage to David? And you claim to be knowledgeable of the Old Testament? Since when has the term "Jew" EVER referred to those of the Davidic line? Are you implying that all "Jews" are of the Davidic line? Of course you are. You just said it. No doubt you'll deny being so incredibly ignorant of Scripture, but the truth is....
you said it. Again, you don't know what a "Jew" is. You've misapplied the term numerous times in this thread. This is not the first. Here you go again:
"To my knowledge, only Roman Jews, today, are descended from early Hebrews who predate Jesus Christ. These same early Hebrews migrated to Rome before Jesus Christ was born. They, supposedly, never engaged in miscegenation with Romans/Italians up to this very day. They were always protected by Roman rule, even through Mussolini's reign. For some reason, even Mussolini made an effort to protect them. If it's true that they are racially unmixed and undiluted, they are the only Jews who have Davidian blood. They're still the ѕуηαgσgυє of Satan because they reject Jesus Christ, therefore they are not real Jews in the spiritual sense, but to answer your question, they could be the only blood descendants whom are possibly referenced by Romans 11. Really? Let's look at Romans 11 again (verse 25):
"For I would not have you ignorant, brethren, of this mystery, (lest you should be wise in your own conceits), that blindness in part has happened in Israel, until the fullness of the Gentiles should come in."So what you're saying, Croix de Fer, is that St. Paul's "Israel" might possibly refer to the untainted Roman Jews? In other words, the term "Israel" is synonymous with the term "Jew"? And even worse: "
only the racially untainted can truly be said to be of the Dividic line". You said it, not me. Hey Croix de Fer, I've said it before, and I'll say it again: You don't understand the meaning of "Jew". One last time:
The term "Jew" simply denotes an Israelite who lives in the southern Kingdom of Judah. That's what it means. Yes, David's hereditary line was "Jєωιѕн". But to imply that the term "Jew" necessarily denotes one of the Davidic line, as you did above; or that only the pure, untainted Jews in Rome are
for that very reason of "Davidian blood"; or that "Jew" means the same thing as "Israel", only manifests your gross ignorance of the topic at hand. And in the end, this ignorance necessarily renders you incapable of grasping the meaning of prophecy as it applies to the future of either Israel or the Jews.
Ergo, it's a complete waste of time to discuss anything further with you on this topic. I can only hope that those who read this post will not fall into the same gross errors as you.