Author Topic: The secret hidden within Marian Consecration (Read 11163 times)

PG · « **Reply #90 on:** February 28, 2018, 12:44:00 PM »

Croix de fer - maybe mass conversion is a change referring to how we consume unleavened bread. Because, that certainly has occurred.

Ladislaus · « **Reply #91 on:** February 28, 2018, 12:49:08 PM »

Quote from: roscoe on February 27, 2018, 08:41:48 PM

Lad has been reading way too much Mrs Martinez... who in addition to Pius XII is also a libeler of Card Rampolla of whom the Pope was at one time a personal student.

So, which of these criticisms of Pius XII is not true? I have listed only facts, my friend.

Fact: Pius XII appointed Bugnini to start various liturgical experiemntations
Fact: Pius XII opened the door to evolution
Fact: Pius XII opened the door to NFP
Fact: Pius XII appointed most of the bishops who would later bring us Vatican II

Explain to me which of these facts is false?

sedevacantist · « **Reply #92 on:** February 28, 2018, 01:57:23 PM »

Quote from: Croix de Fer on February 28, 2018, 04:48:23 AM

The word "Jew(s)" is mentioned various times in the New Testament to refer to adherents to the Mosaic Law, which Christ fulfilled. The phrase "King of the Jews" was placed above Jesus on the cross.

First of all, the term "Jew" is used in the New Testament to refer to those who both accepted AND rejected Christ - not specifically those who followed the Mosaic Law. For example, the term is used repeatedly in the Book of Acts to refer to those "Jews" who persecuted the early Christian Church. Apparently you don't understand what a Jew is. So let me help you: The Nation of Israel split into two separate factions following the rise of King Roboam. Ten tribes refused to acknowledge the hereditary right of Davidic Kingship over them and formed their own kingdom in the northern region of the Land of Israel. This region was called the "Kingdom of Israel". Those faithful Israelites who followed the Davidic line of kings settled in the southern region, referred to as the "Kingdom of Judah".

Now, not everyone who lived in the southern kingdom was of the Tribe of Judah. Many were from the Tribe of Benjamin; and there was a spattering from the other tribes as well who migrated to the south. As time went on, any Israelite who lived in the Southern Kingdom was referred to as a "Jew" - no matter what tribe he was from. As long as they lived in the Southern Kingdom, they were called "Jews". Granted, the Tribe of Judah was by far the most populous - but they were not the only "Jews". Anyway, the point is that anyone who lived in the Southern Kingdom of Judah was called a "Jew". That's what the term means - an Israelite from the Southern Kingdom of Judah. It has absolutely nothing to do with what religion the individual is practicing. It's merely an ethnic distinction based upon where in the Land of Israel one lives. That's all it means. This is why Scripture refers to those who follow the Mosaic Law, AS WELL AS those who reject it, as "Jews". The title has nothing to do with religion. It's an ethnic distinction based upon where one lives.

With this consideration in mind, it should be obvious why one cannot logically refer to Catholics as "Jews". The appellation literally makes no sense at all. This is what you don't seem to understand. You equate the term "Jew" with "Israel", as if the two are one and the same. Wrong. The "Jews" are only a fraction of "Israel". This is an historical fact. Ten whole tribes disappeared following the invasion of the northern kingdom by the Assyrians. And only 50,000 returned from Babylon after the first Temple was destroyed. That means there are a lot of physical descendants of Israel wandering around somewhere. God knows who and where they are. In fact, He's going to single out 144,000 of them during the Apocalyptic Era (Apoc. 7:4). so again, "Jews" only make up a fraction of "Israel". They are by no means "Israel" itself. Learn your history.

And as for this statement: "Wrong, again. They ruptured themselves from Abraham by their rejecting Jesus Christ Who fulfilled the Mosiac Law and prophesy." This is just more of your misunderstanding of the Old Testament. You might know verses, but you don't understand what they mean. The Protestants can recite verses too, but they have no idea what those verses mean. Again, you should read the Old Testament prophets. Your position is hopelessly at odds with Scripture (not to mention the prophecy of St. Paul which you still refuse to answer [Rom. 11:25]).

sedevacantist · « **Reply #93 on:** February 28, 2018, 02:44:42 PM »

Quote from: PG on February 28, 2018, 12:44:00 PM

Croix de fer - maybe mass conversion is a change referring to how we consume unleavened bread. Because, that certainly has occurred.

No. Croix de Fer just misunderstands the numbers. When Scripture mentions the figure of 2/3 in the Book of Zacharias (ch.13), this number refers to the TOTAL number of Israelites who will be damned - from the days of Jacob to the final judgement. It doesn't necessarily mean 2/3 of those alive on earth today.

Considering their woeful history of worshiping pagan deities, it could reasonably be said that, up until now, more than 99% of the physical descendants of Israel have been damned. It sounds extreme, but you have to remember that throughout the Old Testament era, scarcely any of them were saved. Remember in the 3rd Book of Kings (19:18 ) when God told Elijah that out of all Israel, He had saved only 7000 from "bending the knee to Baal". That's 7000 out of millions. And this is pretty much how it was throughout the Old Testament era. Scarcely any Israelites were saved at all. And so, we have to ask, "When are the 1/3 going to be saved? And exactly how many end-time conversions are we talking about?"

Frankly, I don't think its unreasonable to speak of an incredibly vast number of Israelite conversions prior to the Second Coming. When St. Paul mentions the conversion of Israel at the end of the world, he might very well mean the vast majority of Israelites alive on earth at that time. Considering the whole, this would still fall short of the 1/3 who will be saved.

Another possibility may be that the 1/3 will emerge from those left standing after the Second Coming - those who will live and repopulate the world during the 1000-year reign of Christ. With Lucifer chained up in Hell, they will undoubtedly increase by the billions. And so, it's possible that this is from where and when the 1/3 will emerge. Who knows? The point is the same: There will be a mass conversion of Israel toward the end, just as St. Paul prophesied.

PG · « **Reply #94 on:** February 28, 2018, 03:01:57 PM »

Similar to how wolves howl at the full moon, sinners will pretend to worship mary in her times of great influence in the church. But, wolves don't only howl at the full moon. Wolves howl at the other wolf packs to establish and confirm their elite status. This is what montfortianism does to the church. It creates all these "elite" factions(feeneyites, vacantists, and ecclesia dei) who hate each other, and hate true faith and morals. Their proposed solution of total consecration with a pseudo new baptism is the consummation of their teaching, but it is not the consummation of their problems. They have other problems.

Pax Vobis · « **Reply #95 on:** February 28, 2018, 03:26:10 PM »

It is widely reported that conservative cardinals at V2 wanted to issue a doctrinal statement declaring Our Lady as Mediatrix of All Graces. Unfortunately, their efforts were derailed, as were many other noble efforts. While the 'mediatrix' idea is not yet a 'defined' dogma, and while it is not REQUIRED to be believed, Our Lady being the intercessor between us and Her Son, in all things, is ABSOLUTELY a consistantly held idea throughout history. St Louie merely takes the sentiments of all the saints throughout history who had a particular devotion to Our Lady and expounds on their devotion. There's nothing that St Louie says that is anti-catholic; on the contrary, he explains the catholic viewpoint on Our Lady perfectly.

PG · « **Reply #96 on:** February 28, 2018, 03:58:13 PM »

Pax vobis - they say the same thing about vatican 2. There is nothing in it that is explicitly "anti catholic". But, the council is none the less bad and must be rejected. I have read all of de montforts writings, and I will say the same thing about his book true devotion.

It is simple, there is no escaping the fact that louis de montfort believed and taught that a queen has the right to not only own slaves as a result of her dignity(implying apart from any crimes on the part of the slaves), but that she has a right to put to death(murder) such slaves as her pleasure sees fit(apart from any judgment of the church). He not only promoted such a right, but he suggested the duty of. I mean he started a religious order to further the cause.

And, I don't believe that these popes many quote who supported him actually knew what he taught, similar to how the majority of bishops did not know what vatican 2 taught. They simply see their catch phrase buzz word(s) that they associate with "the way", and put their stamp of approval on it.

Fortunately for me I do not have to explain this in theory. It is in front of us all to see. The CMRI do the total consecration. They are the worst of the sedevacantists. They have dubious orders that they sit proud and play ignorant of, while at the same time they usurp authority over a church they proudly judge entirely invalid outside of themselves. They are lamentable. Their total consecration has not protected them in this sense. Their marian devotion has not preserved them.

The feeneyites are the next example. They are, many if not all, doing the montfortian total consecration. But, that has not preserved them. They mirror the cmri in different substance yet similar lamentable style.

You will find this wherever total consecration is being performed. If you do not want to judge louis de montfort by his own fruit. Judge him by the fruit of his followers. I will not dine with louis de montfort, and neither will I dance with him.

Croix de Fer · « **Reply #97 on:** February 28, 2018, 04:09:49 PM »

Quote from: sedevacantist on February 28, 2018, 02:44:42 PM

No. Croix de Fer just misunderstands the numbers. When Scripture mentions the figure of 2/3 in the Book of Zacharias (ch.13), this number refers to the TOTAL number of Israelites who will be damned - from the days of Jacob to the final judgement. It doesn't necessarily mean 2/3 of those alive on earth today.

Wrong, again, Jew. Not only will those two-thirds be damned, but they will be exterminated on earth as a punishment from God. It will happen in the future as an event or sequence of events. Even some of the "religious" in the ѕуηαgσgυє know that verse is exactly what I said it to be, and it's a great source of anxiety for them.

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First of all, the term "Jew" is used in the New Testament to refer to those who both accepted AND rejected Christ - not specifically those who followed the Mosaic Law.

I already know that...

The bulk of your following comments is drivel.

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Hebevacantist says:
And as for this statement: "Wrong, again. They ruptured themselves from Abraham by their rejecting Jesus Christ Who fulfilled the Mosiac Law and prophesy." This is just more of your misunderstanding of the Old Testament. You might know verses, but you don't understand what they mean.

No, it's you being either ignorant of the Catholic teaching or you being an ill-willed crypto-Jew who is not sincerely Catholic, but rather a Jew apologist wearing a Catholic cloak, and using Catholic forums to spout your falsities. Didn't you even admit that you have kike blood in you?

Catholicism 101: the Lord does not render privilege to people based on race. That was wiped away when the Jews continued to break the covenants that God made with them, and when they committed the crime of Deicide, for which the Jews became a cursed race due to the events in Matthew 27:25.

Don't think you're special because you're a Jew boy. Do you not know that Jews who rejected and still reject Jesus Christ are offspring of the Serpent in Genesis 3:15?

Also, read Galatians 3:28-29 as it tells us there is no racial favoritism.

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. Your position is hopelessly at odds with Scripture (not to mention the prophecy of St. Paul which you still refuse to answer [Rom. 11:25]).

I already answered it, Jew.

Pax Vobis · « **Reply #98 on:** February 28, 2018, 04:15:56 PM »

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Pax vobis - they say the same thing about vatican 2. There is nothing in it that is explicitly "anti catholic". But, the council is none the less bad and must be rejected.

The difference is that V2 is anti-tradition and counter-church history. St Louie's description of Our Lady is not only consistent with Tradition but in agreement with many of the saints. You might not like his 'catchwords' of 'slave' or 'queen', but the the ideas implicit in his writings are not new.

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Their total consecration has not protected them in this sense. Their marian devotion has not preserved them.

In our day and age, you can pick ANY prayer or devotion and point to many catholics who have lost their faith or their moderation, in spite of said prayer or devotion (including even the Holy Mass itself). We live in extraordinary times, and the examples of catholics falling away or acting extreme is more due to the loss of a good pope and church authority, not the fault of a prayer or devotion.

PG · « **Reply #99 on:** February 28, 2018, 05:06:56 PM »

Pax vobis - no, I don't dislike his catchwords, they make it possible to understand him if one you are educated, and two you have a long enough memory to survive his unending contradictions. Not a page will go by without a significant contradiction in what he says. What I don't like is the obvious that I have pointed out, and the not so obvious that I will not point out. I have only scratched the surface with de montfort here, the message I get when reading his works is much more diabolical. And, it is in my opinion not at all consistent with tradition.

And, leave individual cases aside, because I am not judging individuals, I am referring to institutional cases. And, institutions as an institution can be judged. And, the examples I cited were of that. When it comes to the feeneyites, it is the slaves of mary institution that I am mainly referring to.

Pax Vobis · « **Reply #100 on:** February 28, 2018, 05:13:24 PM »

Your institutional examples aren’t big enough to denote a pattern. How big is CMRI? How many people are wrong? There’s only been a few hundred feeneyite religious over a period of 50 yrs. Even if every single one of them were a lunatic, that’s still way too small for you to make your sweeping generalizations.

sedevacantist · « **Reply #101 on:** February 28, 2018, 05:35:09 PM »

Quote from: Croix de Fer on February 28, 2018, 04:09:49 PM

Wrong, again, Jew. Not only will those two-thirds be damned, but they will be exterminated on earth as a punishment from God. It will happen in the future as an event or sequence of events. Even some of the "religious" in the ѕуηαgσgυє know that verse is exactly what I said it to be, and it's a great source of anxiety for them.

You're right. I just read the verse.

As to your statement: "Catholicism 101: the Lord does not render privilege to people based on race."

Are you sure? God doesn't favor the physical descendants of converted Israel over the Gentile converts? Have a look at the following verses. Mind you, these are speaking of the converted Gentiles who will live during the Millennial reign of Christ - that is, the Catholic Gentiles:
“Thus saith the Lord God: Behold I will lift up my hand to the Gentiles, and will set up my standard to the people. And they shall bring thy sons in their arms, and carry thy daughters upon their shoulders. And kings shall be thy nursing fathers, and queens thy nurses: they shall worship thee with their face toward the earth, and they shall lick up the dust of thy feet.” (Is. 49:22-23)

In other words, the Gentile Catholics will be looked at as inferior to the Israelite converts. The Catholic Gentile kings and queens will be servants to the Israelites. The will bow to the Israelites. And again, in chapter 8 of Zacharias, we hear the same thing said in reference to the same Catholic Gentiles who will be alive during the Millennial reign:
“Thus saith the Lord of hosts: In those days, wherein ten men of all languages of the Gentiles shall take hold, and shall hold fast the shirt of one that is a Jew, saying: We will go with you: FOR WE HAVE HEARD THAT GOD IS WITH YOU.” (Zach. 8:23)

PG · « **Reply #102 on:** February 28, 2018, 06:50:02 PM »

Quote from: Pax Vobis on February 28, 2018, 05:13:24 PM

Your institutional examples aren’t big enough to denote a pattern. How big is CMRI? How many people are wrong? There’s only been a few hundred feeneyite religious over a period of 50 yrs. Even if every single one of them were a lunatic, that’s still way too small for you to make your sweeping generalizations.

Sedevacantism and feeneyism are the two main opponents of tradition today, waiving a tradition banner, as far as I am concerned. And, the places I listed are mecca's of these ideologies. And, monfortian total consecration is a fundamental dimension of their charism/spirituatlity. I will make the generalization all day and sleep soundly at night.

Pax Vobis · « **Reply #103 on:** February 28, 2018, 09:29:07 PM »

You can make your generalizations all you want but it’s only applicable for the last 40-50 years, at most. St Louie’s book has been around for 200+ years. So give me some examples of lunacy pre-1970s, or your examples are short-sighted.

Croix de Fer · « **Reply #104 on:** March 01, 2018, 08:11:18 AM »

Quote from: sedevacantist on February 28, 2018, 05:35:09 PM

As to your statement: "Catholicism 101: the Lord does not render privilege to people based on race."

Are you sure? God doesn't favor the physical descendants of converted Israel over the Gentile converts?

One of the bases of Catholicism is that Heaven is attained by Faith and works, NOT by racial preference by God, which is one of the underlying impetuses of Jєωιѕн hate for, and attacks against, the Catholic Church. Likewise, Jesus Christ tells us the last on earth will be the first in Heaven, and it's usually Catholics with the greatest Faith and works on earth who are last regarding power, privilege, wealth, recognition, etc. They are virtually unknown and ignored, just as Blessed Mary was virtually unknown until she married Joseph. God even kept Blessed Mary hidden, in a sense, from the angels, which is why they asked, "who is that?", in awe of her and in reference to her as a holy child growing up, as per St. Louis de Montfort's belief in his book True Devotion To Mary.

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sedevacantist says:
Have a look at the following verses. Mind you, these are speaking of the converted Gentiles who will live during the Millennial reign of Christ - that is, the Catholic Gentiles:
“Thus saith the Lord God: Behold I will lift up my hand to the Gentiles, and will set up my standard to the people. And they shall bring thy sons in their arms, and carry thy daughters upon their shoulders. And kings shall be thy nursing fathers, and queens thy nurses: they shall worship thee with their face toward the earth, and they shall lick up the dust of thy feet.” (Is. 49:22-23)

Firstly, your view of Millennialism is very Protestant. The Catholic view is that the world is currently living in the Millennial age. "1,000 years" is not necessarily literal in meaning, but only figurative to denote a very long age.

Regarding the scripture you cite, you have, once again, distorted its meaning.

As per the Haydock Catholic Bible apropos to those verses https://web.archive.org/web/20170627203146/http://haydock1859.tripod.com/id1269.html:

Ver. 22. Shoulders. Thus the Syrians commonly carried children astride. (Cotovic. xiv.)

Ver. 23. Nurses. The Persian kings favoured the captives. The greatest monarchs bow before the prelates of the Church, (Menochius) and kiss the Pope's toe. They venerate relics, (Haydock) and greatly enrich the Church. (Calmet)

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sedevacantist says:
In other words, the Gentile Catholics will be looked at as inferior to the Israelite converts. The Catholic Gentile kings and queens will be servants to the Israelites. The will bow to the Israelites. And again, in chapter 8 of Zacharias, we hear the same thing said in reference to the same Catholic Gentiles who will be alive during the Millennial reign:
“Thus saith the Lord of hosts: In those days, wherein ten men of all languages of the Gentiles shall take hold, and shall hold fast the shirt of one that is a Jew, saying: We will go with you: FOR WE HAVE HEARD THAT GOD IS WITH YOU.” (Zach. 8:23)

That verse (Zach 8:23) means the Gentiles will become seeds of Abraham and heirs according to the promise by their coming to accept Jesus Christ as the only true Lord and Savior. It means Gentiles will recognize God is with Jesus Christ, for He is God Himself.

As per Haydock Catholic Bible https://web.archive.org/web/20170627193615/http://haydock1859.tripod.com/id718.html:

Ver. 23. Ten men, &c. Many of the Gentiles became proselytes to the Jєωιѕн religion before Christ; but many more were converted to Christ by the apostles and other preachers of the Jєωιѕн nation. (Challoner) --- Skirt, or hem, by which the Jews were distinguished, Numbers xv. 38., and Matthew ix. 20. (Calmet)

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