Firstly, the true Israel is the Catholic Church. It's not a geographical land mapped out by the United Nations in 1948. The Catholic Church is, essentially, the Bosom of Abraham. Just as before the Son became flesh and dwelt among us, only the righteous in the Bosom of Abraham were to be saved when Christ opened the gates of Heaven for them by His Divine Sacrifice, it is only baptized Catholics, who die in the state of grace, who enter Heaven.

Secondly, what mass conversion? "Mass" is a relative word. Only a minority of the ѕуηαgσgυє of Satan will convert to the Catholic Church before Jesus returns. Two-thirds of the Jews will be exterminated as punishment for their rejection of God. This is the prophesy. It's in Zacharias 13:8-9


What descendants? After the Diaspora, the ѕуηαgσgυє lost their biological lineage to David when they mixed with, and converted, Khazars and, subsequently, mixing with some locals of European host nations. They're not biologically descended from David, nor are they spiritually descended from Abraham, for if they were the latter, they would have accepted Jesus Christ as the only true God and Messiah.

Your fallacy is conflating the true Israelites who lived before, and at the time of, Jesus Christ, with the ѕуηαgσgυє of Satan, who are those who say they are Jews, but lie (Revelation 2:9 & 3:9).

Try learning the Catholic Faith before you espouse your subtle Jew apologetics and Zionism.

Croix de Fer,
Were you familiar with the writings of the Old Testament prophets, you would realize your error. You are seriously mistaken in your understanding of the future conversion of the physical descendants of the Nation of Israel - which St. Paul clearly makes reference to in the 11th chapter of his letter to the Romans. This prophecy is well known. How can you deny it? He's telling the Gentile Catholics not to become too proud of their conversion, for it will come to an end - followed by the conversion of the physical descendants of Israel. Do yourself, and everyone else, a favor - get acquainted with the prophecies of the Old Testament. The conversion of the physical descendants of Israel "after the fullness of the Gentiles have come in" is an indisputable prophecy.

Moreover, your comment about all the Jews migrating to Rome in the diaspora is incorrect. The vast majority followed their leaders to Babylon, where they wrote their Godless тαℓмυd. Nor do you consider the ten whole tribes of the Northern Kingdom that vanished after the invasion of the Assyrians. These God also says He will bring back to the land of Israel in the end. Again, read the Old Testament prophets. You are badly mistaken. Moreover, you seem to imagine that only full-blooded, untainted Jews amount to the physical descendants of Israel. Where did you get that from? Again, read the Old Testament prophets.

Nor do you properly understand what the "ѕуηαgσgυє of Satan" is. The "ѕуηαgσgυє of Satan" is comprised of those Khazarians (αѕнкenαzι) who converted to "Judaism" around the 8th century. They are NOT Jews at all. They neither physically descended from Israelites, nor do they practice the ancient religion of Judaism. By their own admission, these false "Jews" comprise about 94% of all who call themselves "Jews". In other words, only 6% of those who call themselves Jews, are actually physically descended from Israel. The rest are liars - the ones whom the Apocalypse says lie when they claim to be Jews. These false αѕнкenαzι "Jews", controlled by the Rothschild Dynasty, are the ѕуηαgσgυє of Satan. 

Nor am I confusing the mixing of true Israel with the ѕуηαgσgυє of Satan, as you contend. Truth be known, the mixing of Jews with Khazarian (αѕнкenαzι) "Jews" was severely frowned upon - and even forbidden in true Jєωιѕн circles. In reality, the two nations don't even like each other. They never have.

In the end, the entire Book of the Apocalypse is about the call of the physical descendants of Israel - the 144,000 from every tribe being only a select number of those who will convert. I already explained this in detail in my recent thread regarding the Apocalyptic curse. And yes, I realize only baptized Catholics will get to Heaven. You're not hearing me correctly. The point is that the physical descendants of Israel will be converted toward the end of the world. This is precisely what St. Paul tells the Romans. 

sedevacantist:

Nor do you properly understand what the "ѕуηαgσgυє of Satan" is. The "ѕуηαgσgυє of Satan" is comprised of those Khazarians (αѕнкenαzι) who converted to "Judaism" around the 8th century. They are NOT Jews at all. They neither physically descended from Israelites, nor do they practice the ancient religion of Judaism. By their own admission, these false "Jews" comprise about 94% of all who call themselves "Jews". In other words, only 6% of those who call themselves Jews, are actually physically descended from Israel. The rest are liars - the ones whom the Apocalypse says lie when they claim to be Jews. These false αѕнкenαzι "Jews", controlled by the Rothschild Dynasty, are the ѕуηαgσgυє of Satan.

Sede is pretty saavy, IMO. He may get into trouble on this forum because of his user name, I don't know. LOL
But your right, the S of S is probably a reference to the Khazars, who say they are jews, but are not.  A real jew, (if one can frame it that way), is necessarily descended (physically) from Abraham, through Isaac, through Jacob.  He adheres to Moses and the Law which Moses gave, with a few minor caveats. He has no real Temple, nor does he presently practice animal sacrifice.  Nor does he have an active Levitical priesthood offering animal sacrifices on his behalf.  I think, with a little bit of effort, one can determine from the OT, i.e. from the Psalms and from the major and minor prophets, and from the writings of Paul in the NT, that real jews bear their lineage, and have their racial identity through Jacob. 
False jews, or faux jews,  are basically rabbinical.  Many descend from fierce ancient worshipers of the phallus. They adhere strictly, or culturally anyway, to a vast set of ridiculous and nonsensical, often filthy and blasphemous, writings which we can conveniently call the тαℓмυd.  The тαℓмυd bears faint, some would say, no resemblance to the old Hebrew religion, i.e. the old Covenant.
My only question for Sede is this: How does he know that "6%" is accurate?  Is this percentage derived from any verifiable data?
BTW, I believe, that nasty bunch, who infest our government at all levels, pollute our media, control our banking industry and corrupt our morals generally, are only faintly represented, if at all, by folks whom we would call real Jews

Croix de Fer,
Were you familiar with the writings of the Old Testament prophets, you would realize your error. You are seriously mistaken in your understanding of the future conversion of the physical descendants of the Nation of Israel - which St. Paul clearly makes reference to in the 11th chapter of his letter to the Romans. This prophecy is well known. How can you deny it? He's telling the Gentile Catholics not to become too proud of their conversion, for it will come to an end - followed by the conversion of the physical descendants of Israel. Do yourself, and everyone else, a favor - get acquainted with the prophecies of the Old Testament. The conversion of the physical descendants of Israel "after the fullness of the Gentiles have come in" is an indisputable prophecy.

Hebevacationist, check your condescension, because I probably know far more about the Old Testament than you.

You conveniently ignore Zacharias 13:8-9 that prophesizes two-thirds of Jews around the world will be exterminated for their rejection of Jesus Christ, and the few Jews who remain will convert to the Catholic Faith. https://web.archive.org/web/20170627193123/http://haydock1859.tripod.com/id723.html

The following is the commentary in the Haydock Catholic Bible apropose to the aforementioned verses:

Ver. 8. Third. The greatest part of mankind will be lost. (Haydock) --- The few Jews who embrace the faith will be absorbed in the Gentile converts, and suffered to live, though proved by persecutions, while the rest shall be exterminated. Both shall lose their name, and be styled Christians. (Calmet) --- Those who adhere to Judaism, or to paganism, cannot be saved. This is the privilege only of Christian Catholics, who live piously, and are selected by God's grace. (Worthington)
Ver. 9. Fire. The Church was persecuted during the first centuries; but always became more pure, and the blood of martyrs increased her numbers. (Calmet) --- She faithfully adhered to God. (Haydock) --- The Jews say this will not take place at last: "but we assert that it is already accomplished." (St. Jerome)

Hebevacationist says:
Moreover, your comment about all the Jews migrating to Rome in the diaspora is incorrect.

You either have a severe difficulty with reading comprehension or you're guilty of strawman argumentation. I didn't say "all the Jews", rather I said there were early Hebrews who predated Jesus Christ, and they migrated to Rome before He was born. Nobody knows the obvious minority of numbers who settled in Rome. They remained there throughout the ages, and, supposedly, they never mixed with any Romans/Italians. I, also, emphasized it was BEFORE Jesus Christ was born, therefore it MUST BE BEFORE the diaspora. My point about the diaspora was the other Jews lost their biological lineage to David when they mixed with Khazars and, subsequently, some Europeans. When they settled into Europe after Khazaria, they didn't go to Rome, rather they settled in other parts of Europe and Russia.

Hebevactionist says:
 These God also says He will bring back to the land of Israel in the end

That means God will bring some of the Jews to the Catholic Church, meaning they will be brought back to the Bosom of Abraham.

Catholicism 101 : the true Israel is the Catholic Church. Your ignorance is monstrous.

Hebevacationist says:
Nor do you properly understand what the "ѕуηαgσgυє of Satan"

I know exactly who is the ѕуηαgσgυє of Satan. It is ALL Jews who rejected, and still reject to this day, Jesus Christ. In rejecting Jesus Christ, the Jews reject the God of their fathers. They ruptured themselves from Abraham, but they still lie by calling themselves Jews (Rev 2:9 & 3:9), If they were true Jews, they would have accepted Jesus Christ as the true God and Messiah, because He is the fulfillment of the Faith that the Lord bestowed upon Abraham. Again, that's Catholicism 101.

You and others on this thread are wrong saying that "religious" Jews who still follow the Old Law are "real Jews". Catholics are the true spiritual descendants of Abraham. The Church speaks to this fact by way of affirming, ex cathedra, that the Old Law ceased by the establishment of the Church and her Sacraments, and thus people must accept the New Covenant. To follow the New Covenant is to be a real Jew. To follow the Old Law is to suffer eternal perdition. Ex cathedra.

sedevacantist:Sede is pretty saavy, IMO. He may get into trouble on this forum because of his user name, I don't know. LOL
But your right, the S of S is probably a reference to the Khazars, who say they are jews, but are not.  A real jew, (if one can frame it that way), is necessarily descended (physically) from Abraham, through Isaac, through Jacob.  He adheres to Moses and the Law which Moses gave, with a few minor caveats. He has no real Temple, nor does he presently practice animal sacrifice.  Nor does he have an active Levitical priesthood offering animal sacrifices on his behalf.  I think, with a little bit of effort, one can determine from the OT, i.e. from the Psalms and from the major and minor prophets, and from the writings of Paul in the NT, that real jews bear their lineage, and have their racial identity through Jacob.  
False jews, or faux jews,  are basically rabbinical.  Many descend from fierce ancient worshipers of the phallus. They adhere strictly, or culturally anyway, to a vast set of ridiculous and nonsensical, often filthy and blasphemous, writings which we can conveniently call the тαℓмυd.  The тαℓмυd bears faint, some would say, no resemblance to the old Hebrew religion, i.e. the old Covenant.
My only question for Sede is this: How does he know that "6%" is accurate?  Is this percentage derived from any verifiable data?
BTW, I believe, that nasty bunch, who infest our government at all levels, pollute our media, control our banking industry and corrupt our morals generally, are only faintly represented, if at all, by folks whom we would call real Jews

The figure of 94% was lifted from the Encyclopedia Judaica, if I remember correctly.

Hebevacationist, check your condescension, because I probably know far more about the Old Testament than you.

You conveniently ignore Zacharias 13:8-9 that prophesizes two-thirds of Jews around the world will be exterminated for their rejection of Jesus Christ, and the few Jews who remain will convert to the Catholic Faith. https://web.archive.org/web/20170627193123/http://haydock1859.tripod.com/id723.html

The following is the commentary in the Haydock Catholic Bible apropose to the aforementioned verses:

Ver. 8. Third. The greatest part of mankind will be lost. (Haydock) --- The few Jews who embrace the faith will be absorbed in the Gentile converts, and suffered to live, though proved by persecutions, while the rest shall be exterminated. Both shall lose their name, and be styled Christians. (Calmet) --- Those who adhere to Judaism, or to paganism, cannot be saved. This is the privilege only of Christian Catholics, who live piously, and are selected by God's grace. (Worthington)
Ver. 9. Fire. The Church was persecuted during the first centuries; but always became more pure, and the blood of martyrs increased her numbers. (Calmet) --- She faithfully adhered to God. (Haydock) --- The Jews say this will not take place at last: "but we assert that it is already accomplished." (St. Jerome)

You either have a severe difficulty with reading comprehension or you're guilty of strawman argumentation. I didn't say "all the Jews", rather I said there were early Hebrews who predated Jesus Christ, and they migrated to Rome before He was born. Nobody knows the obvious minority of numbers who settled in Rome. They remained there throughout the ages, and, supposedly, they never mixed with any Romans/Italians. I, also, emphasized it was BEFORE Jesus Christ was born, therefore it MUST BE BEFORE the diaspora. My point about the diaspora was the other Jews lost their biological lineage to David when they mixed with Khazars and, subsequently, some Europeans. When they settled into Europe after Khazaria, they didn't go to Rome, rather they settled in other parts of Europe and Russia.

That means God will bring some of the Jews to the Catholic Church, meaning they will be brought back to the Bosom of Abraham.

Catholicism 101 : the true Israel is the Catholic Church. Your ignorance is monstrous.

I know exactly who is the ѕуηαgσgυє of Satan. It is ALL Jews who rejected, and still reject to this day, Jesus Christ. In rejecting Jesus Christ, the Jews reject the God of their fathers. They ruptured themselves from Abraham, but they still lie by calling themselves Jews (Rev 2:9 & 3:9), If they were true Jews, they would have accepted Jesus Christ as the true God and Messiah, because He is the fulfillment of the Faith that the Lord bestowed upon Abraham. Again, that's Catholicism 101.

You and others on this thread are wrong saying that "religious" Jews who still follow the Old Law are "real Jews". Catholics are the true spiritual descendants of Abraham. The Church speaks to this fact by way of affirming, ex cathedra, that the Old Law ceased by the establishment of the Church and her Sacraments, and thus people must accept the New Covenant. To follow the New Covenant is to be a real Jew. To follow the Old Law is to suffer eternal perdition. Ex cathedra.

I'm sorry, I didn't mean to ignore the verse. I agree with it. Two thirds of Israel will be damned. This is where we get the 666 from. I'm not denying this. On the other hand, you are denying St. Paul's well known prophecy of the future return of the physical descendants of Israel. How?

And my apologies for misinterpreting the "Jews went to Rome" thing.

In regard to the Catholic Church being the true Israel, this is true in a certain sense. But the physical descendants of the Israelites will return to the land of Israel, as the prophets of the Old Testament have said numerous times. I'm sorry, but your ignorance of this prophetic occurrence, which is plainly obvious in their writings, leads me to believe that you cannot have been familiar with their writings. In fact, you don't seem to grasp the writings of the prophets at all - not even Zacharia, wherein it's prophesied in chapter 8:


And where on earth did you get this from: "You and others on this thread are wrong saying that "religious" Jews who still follow the Old Law are "real Jews". I never said that. What I said was that those who are physically descended from the ancient Jews are the ones who are true Jews. The αѕнкenαzι are false "Jews". They are the ѕуηαgσgυє of Satan.

There is a well-established Roman Catholic vocabulary about these things for a reason.
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Please, let's keep our vocabulary Catholic in this discussion.  When we look in a mirror we might perhaps see Ancient White Hebrews and Israelites.  But Jews?  

The word "Jew(s)" is mentioned various times in the New Testament to refer to adherents to the Mosaic Law, which Christ fulfilled. The phrase "King of the Jews" was placed above Jesus on the cross.

sedevacantist says:
The figure of 94% was lifted from the Encyclopedia Judaica, if I remember correctly.

Yeah, lets quote a source from Jews who are notorious for being liars.

sedevacantist says:
This is why the Apocalypse speaks of them as bowing to the real Jews: "Behold, I will bring of the ѕуηαgσgυє of Satan, who say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie. Behold, I will make them to come and adore before thy feet." (Apoc. 3:9)

Wrong. That verse means the ѕуηαgσgυє (ALL Jews) will bow to the persecuted Catholics who were targeted for enslavement and death by Jews since Jesus Christ's Divine Sacrifice.

sedevacantist says:
I'm sorry, I didn't mean to ignore the verse. I agree with it. Two thirds of Israel will be damned. This is where we get the 666 from.

You're making up more false theology & eschatology as we go along. The Mark of the Beast (666) isn't in regard to the coming extermination of most Jews for their rejection of God. The mention of "666" in the Bible is a different topic which I can discuss later, if you ask me. For the sake of brevity, I will stick to the issues at hand.

sedevacantist says:
"Thus saith the Lord of hosts: I am returned to Sion, and I will dwell in the midst of Jerusalem: [...]"

I know Christ will return and take His seat in Jerusalem, but that doesn't mean there are physical descendants of David that will dwell with Him there. It means Catholics will dwell with Him there. The grounds of Jerusalem were made sacred by the spilling of Jesus Christ's Blood during His Divine Sacrifice. For this reason, Jerusalem and all of so-called "Israel" founded in 1948 rightfully belongs to Catholics, not Jews.

Your interpretation of the scripture is very Protestant and Judaized.

sedevacantist says:
What I said was that those who are physically descended from the ancient Jews are the ones who are true Jews. The αѕнкenαzι are false "Jews". They are the ѕуηαgσgυє of Satan.

Wrong, again. They ruptured themselves from Abraham by their rejecting Jesus Christ Who fulfilled the Mosiac Law and prophesy. They can still pretend to be "Jews" by claiming to follow the Old Law, but it's no different than a Novus Ordoite claiming to be "Catholic" when he practices the teachings of Newchurch, and he attends the sacrilegious Novus Ordo service ostensibly called "mass".

To reject Jesus Christ is to reject God. It's to sever themselves (Jews) from the faith of their fathers, the very faith that prophesized, and prepared the way for, the coming of Jesus Christ. Hence, they are not real Jews, but liars and the ѕуηαgσgυє of Satan (Rev 2:9 & 3:9) You're too Jewy to accept this truth. You're obtuse.

PG, this is not true.  Any catholic has earned supernatural merit at some point in their life.  Doesn't mean they will gain heaven.  Ergo, those who go to hell still have merit, and still may have done good works, but they did not have a 'wedding garment' therefore they were cast outside of the wedding feast.

You are confusing and falsely applying the word merit.  When we fall from sanctifying grace or habitual grace, we do not "merit" hell.  You could say we "demerit" hell.  Just look up the definitions and antonyms of merit.  You are making an error similar to how vatican 2 says we have a "right" to religious liberty.  We do not have a "right" to error, and similarly we do not "merit" hell.  Merit is a claim to respect or praise.  It can never be a bad thing.

Pax vobis - just look at lucifer's fall.  Sin abounds all the more in a soul(spirit in the case of lucifer) that was once filled with so much grace.