Author Topic: The Rosary Saves Baby in Bella (Read 3805 times)

Dawn · « **on:** October 30, 2007, 07:06:07 AM »

Did anyone here see this movie? I saw it Friday. And, since I truly am confused. You all keep telling me that this is not a Catholic Movie. I am coming to the conclusion I do not know that Catholic Faith at all.
In the scene where the young women is in the abortion clinic, she lies on the table with tears pouring down her cheeks, the movie goes back to the male lead in the waiting room with tears rolling down his cheeks and falling onto his Rosary Beads that he is frantically praying to have this girl change her mind. But, that I am learning is not Catholic.
In the scence where the young man brings the young women to meet his family, she sees one of the most beautiful family scences full of love, respect for elders. The sign of the cross to begin Grace prayed in Spanish with subtitles "To THE ONE WHO gave us life, bless the food we are about to eat." And, THE ONE is in Capital letters and they finish with the sign of the Cross. But, That is not Catholic, am I understanding.
Then to scenes where the young women talks to the male lead and his mother (who also adopted her firstborn) and the father of this wonderful Hispanic family. And the camera pans over to statues of St. Joseph and the Child Jesus and Statues and pictures of Our Lady of Guadalupe, Patron of the Unborn and Empress of the Americas and focuses on them. But, that is not Catholic I am learning.

Well, I guess the truth is I never really knew my faith and I do not know Catholic at all. No way the audience could not know that this is a Catholic family that came together to sway this young women from abortion. I guess I am as dumb about what is Catholic as the secular media which is blasting the number 2 movie in America for it's blatantly Catholic pro-life message.
I suggest you all contact the media and tell them, they are mistaken just as Dawn is and this is not a Catholic pro-life movie. I am learning new things here every day. I always thought when you saw someone pray the Rosary with statues of St. Joseph, Child Jesus and the Most Holy Virgin you could assume that was Catholic. Thank you all for showing me and all the lurkers that it is not at all to be considered Catholic and that those things in fact do not lead to the Glory of God in Heaven.
I stand corrected.

Trinity · « **Reply #1 on:** October 30, 2007, 07:13:27 AM »

Obviously there is no glory to God in this rotten movie. How could he (Eduardo) make such an offensive thing??? How fortunate for us that we have come across this truly Catholic and wise forum to straighten us out, or we could be going down the broad way to hell like the makers of this movie, etc, etc. Sinners R Us, and only the great and terrible Ozes know.

Dawn · « **Reply #2 on:** October 30, 2007, 07:18:58 AM »

Yes, you are correct. And, I think with all I have learned here about this movie the state of the Church, I do believe that the Novus Ordo is the place to be. That is what a lurker would pick up because Statues and the Rosary would never show up there and anything the Pope does is not only thought of as gee whiz fantastic but applauded. Even if it leads souls to think that any faith makes the cut to Heaven, and they really end up being lost. I see the light now.

Trinity · « **Reply #3 on:** October 30, 2007, 07:54:39 AM »

Catechism a la Cathinfo.

gilbertgea · « **Reply #4 on:** October 30, 2007, 08:24:31 AM »

Just out of curiosity, were the two lead characters (Eduardo and Bella?) married at the time they had the sɛҳuąƖ intercourse that resulted in her pregnancy? If not, how was the issue of their fornication resolved?

Dawn · « **Reply #5 on:** October 30, 2007, 08:30:01 AM »

He was her friend not the man who got her pregnant. He works with her and steps up to help her through this. And, since none of you will go see it any how here is a spoiler. He adopts the child so she does not abort it and raises it with his devout family.
Do you think I would have had the sense to point out if the two of them had sex before marriage as a flaw. And, so if they did and repent afterward where does that leave them?But no, he is just a very devout Catholic Man who steps up and acts like a man taking care of a women in need and providing for her child. And, I know I know that is not Catholic.

gilbertgea · « **Reply #6 on:** October 30, 2007, 08:42:16 AM »

"He was her friend not the man who got her pregnant."

Thanks. So the woman who got pregnant (as well as the man who made her that way) is guilty of Fornication. Is this sin dealt with in any way by the movie? Or is it just kind of glossed over?

"He works with her and steps up to help her through this. And, since none of you will go see it any how here is a spoiler. He adopts the child so she does not abort it and raises it with his devout family."

So, the true hero of this story is the guy who persuades the woman who is inclined to murder her unborn child not to do so.

"Do you think I would have had the sense to point out if the two of them had sex before marriage as a flaw. And, so if they did and repent afterward where does that leave them?"

That leaves them as sinners who have recognised their sins and, hopefully, confessed them and returned to a normal, Catholic life.

"But no, he is just a very devout Catholic Man who steps up and acts like a man taking care of a women in need and providing for her child. And, I know I know that is not Catholic."

No. It sounds like the male character is definitely Catholic.

The reason I ask these questions is for the simple fact of the matter that movie-goers tend to see what they want to see in the movies they watch. For instance, the movie Braveheart. Many of my Catholic friends enjoy that movie but ignore the fact that it has a critical, moral flaw: the adultery between William Wallace and the Princess of Wales, which is made to seem "okay" because the Edward Longshanks is depicted as a misogynist and the Prince of Wales is depicted as a ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ.

I havent seen this movie Bella and probably wont unless it happens to be on somewhere else. But, to applaud a woman for not murdering her child seems to me like applauding the tenor for clearing his throat. Big deal! A pregnant woman is NOT supposed to murder her child.

Dawn · « **Reply #7 on:** October 30, 2007, 08:55:48 AM »

Again, I am learning. You are right. And in America abortion is so unheard of that these people were fools to make such a movie showing that life matters. There is simply no way for this movie to make a difference. Two young women who saw this movie went through with the birth of their child and you are right. They deserve no applaud for that. As a matter of fact, Whoopie Goldberg of the View made news last week for here statement that America should revere women who abort their children and stood up on the show (so I hear) and clapped for women of abortion. But, for this women to do the opposiste and applaud life is simply futile and pointless.
And, just how many theaters do you think would have given them a screen to show this pointless movie on if there was a scence where they turn to the camera and say Premarital sex is a sin. She regrets what she does says so many times. Says she was wrong. But the movie was pointless and worth nothing just as the saving of two lives for sure and who knows how many others change their mind is pointless just like me trying to tell you who live in Utopia where no one sins and everything is wonderful that this movie could reach people not hearing the pro-life pro-family and in these days pro-Hispanic message. As someone who did have pre-marital sex, and did get pregnant and did have my child and married the man and we now have 8 children, and did have people tell me everywhere I turned to abort I think this movie will make a difference to people out there who do not have all the answers like the people on this board.
I forgot the only person who is given the benefit of the doubt on this board is one who is a heretic and has an address somewhere in Rome.

gilbertgea · « **Reply #8 on:** October 30, 2007, 09:02:39 AM »

"Again, I am learning."

This might help: Is Fornication a sin?

"I forgot the only person who is given the benefit of the doubt on this board is one who is a heretic and has an address somewhere in Rome."

I was unaware of the fact that the Pope has a screen name, or that he is a heretic. Do you have some authoritative proof of your assertions? Another pope or a council which has the competence to judge the matter?

Trinity · « **Reply #9 on:** October 30, 2007, 09:48:13 AM »

Chant posted a picture of you somewhere on this forum, Gilbert. I must look it up. DON'T LOOK, ETHEL!!!! He's the pope!

Dawn · « **Reply #10 on:** October 30, 2007, 10:03:46 AM »

That is silly, I meant in threads the pope is the only one fiven the benefit of the dounbt. Fornication is a sin. Which I comitted and I always thought that there was forgiveness. The movie was about saving the life of a child. The next one due out from this company is about Blessed Miguel Pro, and I doubt that it will proclaim that outside the Church there is no Hope of Salvation so we shall cross that movie off before it is even made.
Is was a movie made to be pro-life not a movie on the & sacraments of the Church. They are trying to teach the truth to an audience that is fed a steady diet of lies and filth and most never hear the truth from the pulpit.
There is no hope for me to explain because I was a fornicator and as you have proven there is no changing so I am unable to teach, as a matter of fact I give up because clearly I do not live in the same world where you reside where truth is shouted from every corner and women who give birth in a world of Death are not to be told Hey, that is great you did not fall prey to the culture of death. Where you live is different from my world where abortion is lauded to young people as noble and to give birth and choose adoption is not to be applauded.
Look to the Pope to teach the truths of the Catholic Church, look to these people in their small way to try to promote a culture of life.

gilbertgea · « **Reply #11 on:** October 30, 2007, 10:15:55 AM »

"Fornication is a sin. Which I comitted and I always thought that there was forgiveness."

If you have confessed and received absolution, then as far as I understand the Faith, you have been forgiven.

"The next one due out from this company is about Blessed Miguel Pro, and I doubt that it will proclaim that outside the Church there is no Hope of Salvation so we shall cross that movie off before it is even made."

No, not *before* it is even made.

"Is was a movie made to be pro-life not a movie on the & sacraments of the Church."

Nonetheless, it appears to gloss over the matter of the woman's fornication -- the sin which resulted in the "unwanted" pregnancy -- entirely.

Besides, "pro-life" (in the modern sense) does not necessarily mean pro-Catholic (in the traditional sense) because, as has been pointed out, if one "chooses" not to murder one's child, that means that one was contemplating it to begin with. Which is a sin in and of itself.

"They are trying to teach the truth to an audience that is fed a steady diet of lies and filth and most never hear the truth from the pulpit."

Watering down the truth with phony sentimentalism is not Catholic. It is an appeal to *emotion*, which is not the same thing as instructing the people in the realities of the Faith.

"There is no hope for me to explain because I was a fornicator and as you have proven there is no changing so I am unable to teach, as a matter of fact I give up because clearly I do not live in the same world where you reside where truth is shouted from every corner and women who give birth in a world of Death are not to be told Hey, that is great you did not fall prey to the culture of death."

How you reached the ridiculous conclusion that there is no forgiveness of sins and no changing one's ways because this particular pro-choice movie does not appear (from your description) to be truly Catholic, is anybody's guess.

"Where you live is different from my world where abortion is lauded to young people as noble and to give birth and choose adoption is not to be applauded."

You are mixing apples and oranges, possibly because you have formed an emotional attachment to this movie.

"Look to the Pope to teach the truths of the Catholic Church, look to these people in their small way to try to promote a culture of life."

As long as they do so in a Catholic manner, I'm all for them.

Dawn · « **Reply #12 on:** October 30, 2007, 10:48:16 AM »

No, I have not formed an emotional attachment to the movie. I am a 47 year old women who thinks it is high time for a movie like this that atleast tries. Blessed Therese of Calcutta says you may not be successful but what matters is that you try.

Miss_Fluffy · « **Reply #13 on:** October 30, 2007, 12:59:37 PM »

Quote from: gilbertgea

So, the true hero of this story is the guy who persuades the woman who is inclined to murder her unborn child not to do so.

This alone is reason enough to applaud this movie. Hollywood is so lacking in strong, chaste, real men. In most movies such a character would be considered less than manly for not trying to bag the woman himself.

I'm going to try and see this film ASAP.

clare · « **Reply #14 on:** October 30, 2007, 01:07:46 PM »

Quote from: gilbertgea

Besides, "pro-life" (in the modern sense) does not necessarily mean pro-Catholic (in the traditional sense) because, as has been pointed out, if one "chooses" not to murder one's child, that means that one was contemplating it to begin with. Which is a sin in and of itself.

Quote from: St Matthew 21

28 But what think you? A certain man had two sons; and coming to the first, he said: Son, go work today in my vineyard. 29 And he answering, said: I will not. But afterwards, being moved with repentance, he went. 30 And coming to the other, he said in like manner. And he answering, said: I go, Sir; and he went not.

31 Which of the two did the father's will? They say to him: The first. Jesus saith to them: Amen I say to you, that the publicans and the harlots shall go into the kingdom of God before you.