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Offline Jamie

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The Resurrection of the Dead
« on: January 12, 2010, 03:37:07 PM »
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  • This has been discussed on a couple of topics recently, so I thought I would make a special topic for it.  Let's start with what St Thomas says on the Resurrection of the dead (I have excerpted):

    Supplement (Question 75 and 81):

    The heavens will never be broken as to their substance, but as to the effect of their power whereby their movement is the cause of generation and corruption of lower things: for this reason the Apostle says (1 Corinthians 7:31): "The fashion of this world passeth away." (Q81, Article 1 - reply to objection 1)

    Further, the resurrection is necessary in order that those who rise again may receive punishment or reward according to their merits. Now either punishment or reward is due to all, either for their own merits, as to adults, or for others' merits, as to children. Therefore all [good and evil] will rise again. (Q75 Article 2)

    Further, man will rise again at the most perfect stage of nature. Now human nature is at the most perfect stage in the age of youth. Therefore all will rise again of that age [which Thomas takes to mean around 32 or 33]. (Q81, Article 1)

    Further, at the resurrection God will restore man to what He made him at the creation. Now He made woman from the man's rib (Genesis 2:22). Therefore He will also restore the female sex at the resurrection. (Q81 Article 3)

    Consequently those natural operations which are directed to cause or preserve the primary perfection of human nature will not be in the resurrection: such are the actions of the animal life in man, the action of the elements on one another, and the movement of the heavens; wherefore all these will cease at the resurrection. And since to eat, drink, sleep, beget, pertain to the animal life, being directed to the primary perfection of nature, it follows that they will not be in the resurrection. (Q81, Article 4)

    So - in summary:

    1. The heavens will remain as they are but the motion of the stars and planets will cease.

    2. The earth will be populated not just by the good - but also the evil.

    3. We will all be around the age of 32 or 33.

    4. Both male and female forms will exist.

    5. Movement will cease, we will not eat, drink, sleep, have children, etc.

    So, it would seem to me that (particularly as regards item 5) there will be nothing on the earth which exists solely for the "animal" aspects of our survival - namely plants and animals. For the record, my scholastics professor told us in class the same thing.  Because some here are not convinced I thought it would be useful to quote the above Aquinas quotes to show how it is reasonable to believe that animals and plants will be excluded from the earth of the resurrection of the body - their function is to clothe and feed us - neither of which things are necessary in the resurrection.


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    The Resurrection of the Dead
    « Reply #1 on: January 12, 2010, 03:54:37 PM »
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  • Thanks for the interesting post.


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    « Reply #2 on: January 12, 2010, 05:37:32 PM »
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  • Questions:

    What Jesus calls heaven is the new heavens and new Earth, correct?  Is that in THIS universe?  Or does this universe go up in flames where a universe behind the universe, HEAVEN, is revealed?

    I ask because St. Thomas refers to the substance of the "heavens" not changing, which would mean that heaven contains the same heavens that we have in this universe.

    I'd always thought that this universe burns up, that not just the Earth but the heavens -- space -- go up in flames on the Day of Wrath, that there is a purification by fire.  Somehow from this emerges the new heavens and new Earth.  In that case, why would the new heavens of heaven have the same substance as ours, necessarily?

    2 Peter 3:7 -- "But the heavens and the earth which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of the ungodly men.

    2 Peter 3:10 -- "But the day of the Lord shall come as a thief, in which the heavens shall pass away with great violence, and the elements shall be melted with heat, and the earth and the works which are in it, shall be burnt up."

    2 Peter 3:12 -- "Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of the Lord, by which the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with the burning heat?"
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    « Reply #3 on: January 12, 2010, 05:38:07 PM »
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  • Watch out CM I'm gaining on you.  Six ignores!

    Readers: Please IGNORE all my postings here. I was a recent convert and fell into errors, even heresy for which hopefully my ignorance excuses. These include rejecting the "rhythm method," rejecting the idea of "implicit faith," and being brieflfy quasi-Jansenist. I also posted occasions of sins and links to occasions of sin, not understanding the concept much at the time, so do not follow my links.

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    « Reply #4 on: January 12, 2010, 05:49:36 PM »
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  • Quote from: Raoul76
    Questions:

    What Jesus calls heaven is the new heavens and new Earth, correct?  Is that in THIS universe?  Or does this universe go up in flames where a universe behind the universe, HEAVEN, is revealed?

    I ask because St. Thomas refers to the substance of the "heavens" not changing, which would mean that heaven contains the same heavens that we have in this universe.

    I'd always thought that this universe burns up, that not just the Earth but the heavens -- space -- go up in flames on the Day of Wrath, that there is a purification by fire.  Somehow from this emerges the new heavens and new Earth.  In that case, why would the new heavens of heaven have the same substance as ours, necessarily?

    2 Peter 3:7 -- "But the heavens and the earth which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of the ungodly men.

    2 Peter 3:10 -- "But the day of the Lord shall come as a thief, in which the heavens shall pass away with great violence, and the elements shall be melted with heat, and the earth and the works which are in it, shall be burnt up."

    2 Peter 3:12 -- "Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of the Lord, by which the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with the burning heat?"


    I wonder if perhaps this is a description of what will happen to the earth in preparation for the resurrection of the dead?  A blazing fire which will wipe out those superfluous things such as a plants and animals.  A purifying fire so to speak.  And them, from the dust, all men will rise again.