Author Topic: The purpose of SSPX? (Read 3459 times)

InfiniteFaith · « **on:** January 25, 2012, 01:24:01 AM »

Is this [SSPX] all about going back to the way the Catholic Church used to handle things? Having more control over its people and dishing out punishments? Treating people poorly in order to get them to submit to them? Typical old school nun stuff in an old school Catholic school? Whereas since Vatican II things have become much more laid back...

Augustinian · « **Reply #1 on:** January 25, 2012, 01:43:10 AM »

The purpose of the SSPX is to feed the craving for 1950's nostalgia while keeping people nominally inside the Vatican II Church and in union with its false head.

InfiniteFaith · « **Reply #2 on:** January 25, 2012, 01:59:27 AM »

Quote from: Augustinian

The purpose of the SSPX is to feed the craving for 1950's nostalgia while keeping people nominally inside the Vatican II Church and in union with its false head.

Someone told me in another thread that the SSPX recognizes Benedict as a legitimate Pope. Are you saying that the Pope is false?

Augstine Baker · « **Reply #3 on:** January 25, 2012, 09:30:28 AM »

Quote from: Augustinian

The purpose of the SSPX is to feed the craving for 1950's nostalgia while keeping people nominally inside the Vatican II Church and in union with its false head.

This is completely unwarranted and untrue.

ServusSpiritusSancti · « **Reply #4 on:** January 25, 2012, 09:56:17 AM »

There are sedevacantists here, InfiniteFaith (Augustinian being one of them), since you keep asking people if they are sedes.

The purpose of the SSPX was to uphold Tradition when Archbishop LeFebvre was its superior... the last few years though, it appears Bishop Fellay has a different purpose in mind.

nadieimportante · « **Reply #5 on:** January 25, 2012, 11:18:12 AM »

Quote from: SpiritusSanctus

There are sedevacantists here, InfiniteFaith (Augustinian being one of them), since you keep asking people if they are sedes.

The purpose of the SSPX was to uphold Tradition when Archbishop LeFebvre was its superior... the last few years though, it appears Bishop Fellay has a different purpose in mind.

If it wasn't for the SSPX, today there likely would be only be an independent priest here and there, from dubious ordinations like the "Thuc line". Most of the sede priests were ordained by the SSPX, no? Moreover, there would be no indult mass, no Fraternity of St. Peter and such.

ServusSpiritusSancti · « **Reply #6 on:** January 25, 2012, 12:51:44 PM »

Quote from: nadieimportante

If it wasn't for the SSPX, today there likely would be only be an independent priest here and there, from dubious ordinations like the "Thuc line". Most of the sede priests were ordained by the SSPX, no? Moreover, there would be no indult mass, no Fraternity of St. Peter and such.

Correct. Just to clarify, I like the SSPX (especially Archbishop LeFebvre and Bishop Williamson). I was only saying that I disagree with the direction Bishop Fellay wants to take the Society towards (reconciliation).

InfiniteFaith · « **Reply #7 on:** January 25, 2012, 12:57:44 PM »

Quote from: SpiritusSanctus

There are sedevacantists here, InfiniteFaith (Augustinian being one of them), since you keep asking people if they are sedes.

The purpose of the SSPX was to uphold Tradition when Archbishop LeFebvre was its superior... the last few years though, it appears Bishop Fellay has a different purpose in mind.

What exactly is Tradition. It seems that the Vatican II Churches are teaching the same things that the Early Apostles Taught.

ServusSpiritusSancti · « **Reply #8 on:** January 25, 2012, 01:07:00 PM »

Quote from: InfiniteFaith

What exactly is Tradition. It seems that the Vatican II Churches are teaching the same things that the Early Apostles Taught.

No, they are not. Let me post an example for you:

Quote from: Vatican II

The Church regards with esteem also the Moslems. They adore the one God, living and subsisting in Himself; merciful and all- powerful, the Creator of heaven and earth,(5) who has spoken to men; they take pains to submit wholeheartedly to even His inscrutable decrees, just as Abraham, with whom the faith of Islam takes pleasure in linking itself, submitted to God. Though they do not acknowledge Jesus as God, they revere Him as a prophet. They also honor Mary, His virgin Mother; at times they even call on her with devotion. In addition, they await the day of judgment when God will render their deserts to all those who have been raised up from the dead. Finally, they value the moral life and worship God especially through prayer, almsgiving and fasting.

Which contradicts:

Quote

Saint Augustine (died A.D. 430): "No man can find salvation except in the Catholic Church. Outside the Catholic Church one can have everything except salvation. One can have honor, one can have the sacraments, one can sing alleluia, one can answer amen, one can have faith in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Ghost, and preach it too, but never can one find salvation except in the Catholic Church."

And that is just ONE example.

InfiniteFaith · « **Reply #9 on:** January 25, 2012, 01:45:55 PM »

Quote from: SpiritusSanctus

Quote from: InfiniteFaith
What exactly is Tradition. It seems that the Vatican II Churches are teaching the same things that the Early Apostles Taught.

No, they are not. Let me post an example for you:

Quote from: Vatican II
The Church regards with esteem also the Moslems. They adore the one God, living and subsisting in Himself; merciful and all- powerful, the Creator of heaven and earth,(5) who has spoken to men; they take pains to submit wholeheartedly to even His inscrutable decrees, just as Abraham, with whom the faith of Islam takes pleasure in linking itself, submitted to God. Though they do not acknowledge Jesus as God, they revere Him as a prophet. They also honor Mary, His virgin Mother; at times they even call on her with devotion. In addition, they await the day of judgment when God will render their deserts to all those who have been raised up from the dead. Finally, they value the moral life and worship God especially through prayer, almsgiving and fasting.

Which contradicts:

Quote
Saint Augustine (died A.D. 430): "No man can find salvation except in the Catholic Church. Outside the Catholic Church one can have everything except salvation. One can have honor, one can have the sacraments, one can sing alleluia, one can answer amen, one can have faith in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Ghost, and preach it too, but never can one find salvation except in the Catholic Church."

And that is just ONE example.

What exactly is meant by "regards with esteem"?

nadieimportante · « **Reply #10 on:** January 25, 2012, 02:12:07 PM »

Quote from: InfiniteFaith

Quote from: SpiritusSanctus
There are sedevacantists here, InfiniteFaith (Augustinian being one of them), since you keep asking people if they are sedes.

The purpose of the SSPX was to uphold Tradition when Archbishop LeFebvre was its superior... the last few years though, it appears Bishop Fellay has a different purpose in mind.

What exactly is Tradition. It seems that the Vatican II Churches are teaching the same things that the Early Apostles Taught.

What are Vatican II Churches (Plural)?

Augustinian · « **Reply #11 on:** January 25, 2012, 02:15:01 PM »

Quote from: Augstine Baker

Quote from: Augustinian
The purpose of the SSPX is to feed the craving for 1950's nostalgia while keeping people nominally inside the Vatican II Church and in union with its false head.

This is completely unwarranted and untrue.

How is it untrue?

Augustinian · « **Reply #12 on:** January 25, 2012, 02:16:19 PM »

Quote from: SpiritusSanctus

Quote from: nadieimportante
If it wasn't for the SSPX, today there likely would be only be an independent priest here and there, from dubious ordinations like the "Thuc line". Most of the sede priests were ordained by the SSPX, no? Moreover, there would be no indult mass, no Fraternity of St. Peter and such.

Correct. Just to clarify, I like the SSPX (especially Archbishop LeFebvre and Bishop Williamson). I was only saying that I disagree with the direction Bishop Fellay wants to take the Society towards (reconciliation).

If Benedict XVI is the pope and that is the Catholic Church, then why wouldn't you want them to be reconciled?

InfiniteFaith · « **Reply #13 on:** January 25, 2012, 02:57:58 PM »

Quote from: nadieimportante

Quote from: InfiniteFaith
Quote from: SpiritusSanctus
There are sedevacantists here, InfiniteFaith (Augustinian being one of them), since you keep asking people if they are sedes.

The purpose of the SSPX was to uphold Tradition when Archbishop LeFebvre was its superior... the last few years though, it appears Bishop Fellay has a different purpose in mind.

What exactly is Tradition. It seems that the Vatican II Churches are teaching the same things that the Early Apostles Taught.

What are Vatican II Churches (Plural)?

Churches that abide by the teachings of Vatican II. It seems like some do and some don't.

nadieimportante · « **Reply #14 on:** January 25, 2012, 03:01:21 PM »

Quote from: InfiniteFaith

Quote from: nadieimportante
Quote from: InfiniteFaith
Quote from: SpiritusSanctus
There are sedevacantists here, InfiniteFaith (Augustinian being one of them), since you keep asking people if they are sedes.

The purpose of the SSPX was to uphold Tradition when Archbishop LeFebvre was its superior... the last few years though, it appears Bishop Fellay has a different purpose in mind.

What exactly is Tradition. It seems that the Vatican II Churches are teaching the same things that the Early Apostles Taught.

What are Vatican II Churches (Plural)?

Churches that abide by the teachings of Vatican II. It seems like some do and some don't.

What are the names of these Churches? Can you list them for me?