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Traditional Catholic Faith => General Discussion => Topic started by: Luker on April 24, 2014, 07:55:13 PM
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I thought this was interesting, the program missalette/brochure for this Sundays canonizations of JP II and John XXIII from the Vatican website. Apparently this is what will be handed out if you are attending in person on Sunday:
http://www.vatican.va/news_services/liturgy/libretti/2014/20140427-libretto-canonizzazione.pdf
Read it over if you are interested, it is printed in many languages Italian, French, German, Polish, English and others.
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Just found the words that will be used for the canonization declaration:
For the honour of the Blessed Trinity,
the exaltation of the Catholic faith and
the increase of the Christian life, by the
authority of our Lord Jesus Christ, and
of the Holy Apostles Peter and Paul, and
our own, after due deliberation and fre-
quent prayer for divine assistance, and
having sought the counsel of many of our
brother Bishops, we declare and define
Blessed
John XXIII
and John Paul II
be Saints and we enroll them among
the Saints, decreeing that they are to be
venerated as such by the whole Church.
In the name of the Father, and of the Son,
and of the Holy Spirit
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I cannot find the English version from this link.
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George Weigel has been making the rounds on Catholic radio.
Some of his comments that struck me:
What stood out about John Paul II was how intensely normal he was (what about heroic virtue?)
That Francis brilliantly chose to canonize J23 and JP2 together because they were like bookends to Vatican II (implying that this is in fact a canonization of Vatican II).
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Weigel is a tool, nothing more.
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I cannot find the English version from this link.
the missalette has all the languages together, just scroll down some pages til you see some english appearing
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They should hurry up and issue an update because this copy's already obsolete:
Just found the words that will be used for the canonization declaration:
For the honour of the Blessed Trinity,
the exaltation of the Catholic faith and
the increase of the Christian life,
..and in commemoration of Marco Gusmini, whose
life was taken Wednesday when the 98-foot cross
designed by sculptor Enrico Job and
commemorating JPII's visit fell on him, and..
by the
authority of our Lord Jesus Christ, and
of the Holy Apostles Peter and Paul, and
our own, after due deliberation and fre-
quent prayer for divine assistance, and
having sought the counsel of many of our
brother Bishops, we declare and define
Blessed
John XXIII
and John Paul II
be Saints and we enroll them among
the Saints, decreeing that they are to be
venerated as such by the whole Church.
In the name of the Father, and of the Son,
and of the Holy Spirit
Cevo’s mayor said further celebrations to mark the occasion had been canceled. ---
Maybe the Vatican should follow Cevo's wise lead and just
cancel the stupid Newcanonizations, that is, before they find out
what it's REALLY like to be on the receiving end of God's wrath.
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I cannot find the English version from this link.
the missalette has all the languages together, just scroll down some pages til you see some english appearing
Thank you.
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The canonization portion of the ceremony is all in Latin, before mass (which is in Italian starting with the "liturgy of the word").
Litaniæ Sanctorum (Litany of the Saints) in Latin
Antiphona ad introitum (Introit antiphon) in Latin -- the same as TLM Quasimodo Sunday! (I don't think this is done in NovusOrdo liturgy because they have a new thing for "Divine Mercy Sunday.")
Kyrie eleison in Greek (only 2 reps per verse instead of 3 -- Gregorian Chant, Missa de Angelis)
(Then follows the Latin text, below, ending with al Santo Padre per un saluto riconoscente)
Gloria in excelsis in Latin, Missa de Angelis (Gregorian Chant)
Victimæ paschali laudes in Latin, Chant again.
Collect in Latin
Then Liturgy of the Word in Italian............ etc....
I'm surprised. The Latin Chant is stuff we've all heard a hundred times.
The Italian music looks like it's all modern stuff I've never heard before.
It seems like they're trying to put a "traditional face" on the canonization,
and frame it in a modernist setting.
They are PULLING OUT ALL THE STOPS to make this appear very official and unquestionable, regarding the formula and the intro and the conclusion, but it's all framed in a very Newchurch kind of environment -- this seems to
be the hermeneutic of continuity of Benedict XVI where the rubber
meets the road. IMHO.
The canonization Latin text is as follows:
Prima petitio
Il Cardinale Angelo Amato, S.D.B., Prefetto della Congregazione
delle Cause dei Santi, accompagnato dai Postulatori, si reca dal
Santo Padre e domanda che si proceda alla Canonizzazione dei
Beati Giovanni XXIII e Giovanni Paolo II:
Beatissime Pater,
instanter postulat Sancta Mater Ecclesia per Sanctitatem Vestram
catalogo Sanctorum adscribi, et tamquam Sanctos ab omnibus
christifidelibus pronunciari Beatos
Ioannem XXIII
et Ioannem Paulum II.
Il Santo Padre:
fratres carissimi,
deo Patri omnipotenti preces nostras per Iesum
christum levemus, ut, Beatæ Mariæ Virginis et omnium
Sanctorum suorum
intercessione, sua gratia sustineat id quod sollemniter acturi
sumus.
Pausa di silenzio.
Il Santo Padre:
Preces populi tui, quæsumus,
domine,
benignus admitte,
ut quod famulatu nostro gerimus et tibi placeat
et Ecclesiæ tuæ proficiat incrementis.
Per christum dominum nostrum.
Amen
Secunda petitio
Il Cardinale Prefetto:
Unanima precatione roborata, Beatissime Pater, Sancta Ecclesia
instantius flagitat ut Sanctitas Vestra filios hos ipsius electos in
Sanctorum
catalogo annumeret.
Il Santo Padre:
Spiritum vivificantem, igitur, invocemus, ut mentem nostram
illuminet atque
christus
dominus ne permittat errare Ecclesiam
suam in tanto negotio.
Veni, creator Spiritus
La schola:
1.
Veni, creator Spiritus,
mentes tuorum visita,
imple superna gratia,
quæ tu creasti, pector
(they sing all 6 verses of Veni creator spiritus in Gregorian Chant, antiphonally)
Tertia petitio
Il Cardinale Prefetto:
Beatissime Pater,
Sancta Ecclesia,
domini promisso nixa Spiritum Veritatis in se
mittendi, qui omni tempore supremum Magisterium erroris
expertem reddit, instantissime supplicat Sanctitatem Vestram
ut hos
ipsius electos in Sanctorum
catalogum referat
Canonizationis formula
Il Santo Padre:
Ad honorem Sanctæ et Individuæ Trinitatis,
ad exaltationem fidei catholicæ
et vitæ christianæ incrementum,
auctoritate
domini nostri Iesu
christi,
beatorum Apostolorum Petri et Pauli ac Nostra,
matura deliberatione præhabita
et divina ope sæpius implorata,
ac de plurimorum
fratrum Nostrorum consilio,
Beatos
Ioannem XXIII
et Ioannem Paulum II
Sanctos esse decernimus et definimus,
ac Sanctorum
catalogo adscribimus,
statuentes eos in universa Ecclesia
inter Sanctos pia devotione recoli debere.
In nomine Patris et
filii et Spiritus Sancti.
(Then follows the Iubilate Deo in Latin, using Western notation instead of Gregorian notation)
Iubilate deo, cantate domino
La schola e l’assemblea
(It's a sing-song-y chorus for everyone and the schola sings the verses,
then everyone joins back in with the Chorus again, between each verse)
Iu-bi-la-te-Deo, can-ta-te-Do-mi-no, Iu-bi-la-te-Deo, can-ta-te-Do-mi-no
(They sing 3 verses of Iubilate Deo, in thanks to God for this blessed event)
La schola:
Ps 32, 1. 3. 18-19. 21-22
1. Exsultate, iusti, in domino;
rectos decet collaudatio.
cantate ei canticuм novum,
bene psallite ei in vociferatione.
2.
Ecce oculi domini super metuentes eum,
in eos, qui sperant super misericordia eius,
ut eruat a morte animas eorum
et alat eos in fame.
3.
In domino lætabitur cor nostrum,
et in nomine sancto eius speravimus.
fiat misericordia tua,
domine, super nos,
quemadmodum speravimus in te
Il Cardinale Prefetto ringrazia il Santo Padre:
Beatissime Pater,
nomine Sanctæ Ecclesiæ enixas gratias ago de pronuntiatione
a Sanctitate Vestra facta ac humiliter peto ut eadem Sanctitas
Vestra super peracta
canonizatione Litteras Apostolicas dignetur
decernere.
Il Santo Padre:
decernimus.
Il Cardinale Prefetto si avvicina al Santo Padre per un saluto
riconoscente
(At this point, return to the Gloria in excelsis, in the list above)
(The Holy Father repeatedly refers to himself as "WE" -- I think this will be the first time Francis has done so, and as I recall JPII stopped saying "WE" in place of the first person singular sometime in 1979 or 1980, if I'm not mistaken --- anyone have a better handle on this???)
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but the only part I see different from the 1962 Missal here is no Confiteor. Because they removed the prayers at the foot of the altar in a later edition. The SSPX retains the Prayers, as well as the Second Confiteor (at the Communion of the Faithful).
This would seem to be further indication of what we can expect in the new "hybrid Mass" that is rumored to be coming out soon: Starts with the Latin we all are familiar with, then goes to vernacular for the "readings" (which I have heard SSPX pew-sitters say is just fine with them) and so on, whatever.
But it's going to be touch and go with the Prayers at the Foot of the Altar, then a maybe a Confiteor,
Introit in Latin,
Kyrie (2 or 3 reps, depending on the region!),
Gloria in excelsis in Latin, Missa de Angelis (Gregorian Chant),
Victimæ paschali laudes in Latin, Chant again, (or other sequence or tract)
Collect in Latin
Then Liturgy of the Word in Italian... or English... or German ......... etc....
..........Get ready to hear Fellay and his cronies have a good word to say about this.........
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La schola:
1.
Veni, creator Spiritus,
mentes tuorum visita,
imple superna gratia,
quæ tu creasti, pector
(they sing all 6 verses of Veni creator spiritus in Gregorian Chant, antiphonally)
There are 7 verses to Veni Creator.
Are they singing 6 plus the one you mentioned or only 6 of the 7?
Here is the complete version:
VENI, Creator Spiritus,
mentes tuorum visita,
imple superna gratia
quae tu creasti pectora.
Qui diceris Paraclitus,
altissimi donum Dei,
fons vivus, ignis, caritas,
et spiritalis unctio.
Tu, septiformis munere,
digitus paternae dexterae,
Tu rite promissum Patris,
sermone ditans guttura.
Accende lumen sensibus:
infunde amorem cordibus:
infirma nostri corporis
virtute firmans perpeti.
Hostem repellas longius,
pacemque dones protinus:
ductore sic te praevio
vitemus omne noxium.
Per te sciamus da Patrem,
noscamus atque Filium;
Teque utriusque Spiritum
credamus omni tempore.
Deo Patri sit gloria,
et Filio, qui a mortuis
surrexit, ac Paraclito,
in saeculorum saecula.
Amen.
I don't mean to be finicky but we have this as part of our morning prayers and was surprised when you said 6, why would you leave one out?
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/embed/Kphky63gK5I[/youtube]
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I hope Pope Francis once again deviates from his prepared text.
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I think they'll try to keep Jorge on a tight leash so the whole mockery will appear to be totally kosher (pun intended) and therefore, without question and "infallible".
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La schola:
1.
Veni, creator Spiritus,
mentes tuorum visita,
imple superna gratia,
quæ tu creasti, pector
(they sing all 6 verses of Veni creator spiritus in Gregorian Chant, antiphonally)
There are 7 verses to Veni Creator.
Are they singing 6 plus the one you mentioned or only 6 of the 7?
Here is the complete version:
VENI, Creator Spiritus,
mentes tuorum visita,
imple superna gratia
quae tu creasti pectora.
Qui diceris Paraclitus,
altissimi donum Dei,
fons vivus, ignis, caritas,
et spiritalis unctio.
Tu, septiformis munere,
digitus paternae dexterae,
Tu rite promissum Patris,
sermone ditans guttura.
Accende lumen sensibus:
infunde amorem cordibus:
infirma nostri corporis
virtute firmans perpeti.
Hostem repellas longius,
pacemque dones protinus:
ductore sic te praevio
vitemus omne noxium.
Per te sciamus da Patrem,
noscamus atque Filium;
Teque utriusque Spiritum
credamus omni tempore.
Deo Patri sit gloria,
et Filio, qui a mortuis
surrexit, ac Paraclito,
in saeculorum saecula.
Amen.
I don't mean to be finicky but we have this as part of our morning prayers and was surprised when you said 6, why would you leave one out?
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/embed/Kphky63gK5I[/youtube]
You're right. I made the mistake of not double-checking. They have omitted the 7th verse, without explanation. They have, "...Teque utriusque Spiritum credamus omni tempore. Amen."
I would have to guess why. Maybe they think it will take too long. They're doing this antiphonally, beginning with the schola on verse 1, then the congregation on verse 2, and alternating, so that verse 6, being even, is the people, so they have the schola and the people on the Amen. If they kept that pattern, the schola would sing verse 7 and then maybe it would be hard to get the people to jump in at the Amen. But I'd say, just have everyone sing the 7th verse AND the Amen together. So leaving out the 7th verse makes no sense, unless it's just too much time, somehow. But what's the big deal over TWENTY SECONDS??? (It's like, "Oh, this piece is two minutes forty seconds long -- we have to shorten it to 2:20, so let's kill the last verse." HUH?)
The translation for the 7th verse goes like this:
All glory to the Father be,
And to the risen Son;
The same to Thee, O Paraclete,
While endless ages run. Amen.
I'm at a loss. It might have been an oversight but that doesn't seem possible.
There is nothing in this 7th verse that is conspicuous to me as a motive for them to leave it out. The word, "Paraclete?" "While endless ages run?" I don't know.
The idea of putting the Veni creator in there in the first place is a big enough step in itself. This is the Vespers hymn for Pentecost Sunday. It is used for Confirmations, and for an Offertory hymn at High Mass, almost any time of year, but generally not during Advent or Lent, nor during a Requiem Mass. It is used for Ordination ceremonies, Episcopal Consecration Mass and for even Weddings and Baptisms. It's a little bit like Te Deum, but not quite as triumphant. But it's one of the most frequently used hymns in all Western Catholicism.
Thank you for noticing that I missed the 7th verse. I don't mind at all that you said that.
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They ended the Veni creator spiritus at the end of verse 6 and did not sing verse 7.
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I was entirely wrong about the Gloria, for example. The Libretto has the Chant neums and Gregorian notation for the "assembly" to sing but the words only for the "schola." The actual music the schola sang is all new, polyphonic/adult cantor/child solo, etc., all mixed up. There is no continuity according to Chant tradition, so the music has no melodic line and is chock full of irrational breaks in the musical line, except for when the assembly sings.
It is a completely confused mix of the old tradition and the nonsense/new.
Welcome to the hybrid model. Anything goes. The Chant is only there as a museum exhibit and as bait to lure in the trads.
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I didn't watch this mockery, but did see a picture of the crowds & noticed how gloomy & overcast the sky was. We are indeed witnessing the Passion of the Church!! The people have erected a god in their own image. His few but faithful followers are deeply saddened. Christ can not be seen now but we know that He is still here. Rejoice & be glad!! We live in momentous times. He will not be mocked forever!
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They ended the Veni creator spiritus at the end of verse 6 and did not sing verse 7.
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Because it invokes the Trinity.
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They showed the canonization mass live on Uivision last night. It started around 4:00am EST. There were no commercials.
Most of it was in Latin. They read the Gospel twice. Once in Latin and then in Greek.
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They ended the Veni creator spiritus at the end of verse 6 and did not sing verse 7.
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Because it invokes the Trinity.
(7. Deo Patri sit gloria, et Filio qui a mortuis, surrexit ac Paraclito, in saeculorum saecula. Amen.)
That may be true, but the Father, Son and Holy Spirit (not "Holy Ghost" -- but "thou who art called the Paraclete," "Qui diceris Paraclitus" - verse #2 of Veni creator) are mentioned in other places. I could not find any mention of "the Trinity" however (I also double checked by searching the Libretto for "trinity" and it came up "Phrase not found"). Maybe they're afraid of offending Mohammedans.
Likewise, verse 7 puts all three divine Persons in the same sentence, instead of being scattered amongst two or more sentences as is the usual case in this Libretto that I could find.
The most conspicuous exception is verse #6 of this same Veni creator:
6. Through thee may we the Father know,
through thee th’eternal Son,
and thee the Spirit of them both,
thrice-blessed three in One.
L’assemblea:
6. Per te sciamus da Patrem
Noscamus atque Filium
Te[que] utriusque Spiritum
Credamus omni tempore.
[The Libretto has another typo where they say "te utrisuque" instead of "teque utriusque." This grammatical error seems to ambiguously imply that the Holy Ghost is not the Spirit of both the Father and the Son -- reminiscent of the long-disputed Filioque clause in the Nicene Creed, but which is found, okay, on pp. 100-101 of this Libretto.]
Another friend pointed out to me that 7 is the number of perfection, and as a sacred number implies the perfection of God (7 sacraments, 7 days of the week, 7 gifts of the Holy Ghost, 7 ages of the Church, 7 loaves and fishes, 7th heaven, the book with 7 seals Apocalypse cap. v.).
But 6 is the number of imperfection, the number of man, and thrice 6 is man's imitation of God, 666.
Which reminds me, 5 decades of the Rosary is commonly called "a Rosary," even though it is one-third of a complete 15-decade Rosary, or point three three three.
But when you add the 5 'luminous' decades, you get a total possible of 20 mysteries, and then one third of that would be "six point six six" mysteries.
In this way, John Paul the 'Great' patron of child molesters is seen as the promoter of the 6.66 mystery Rosary.
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Anyone who wants to argue that John Paul the 'Great' patron of child molesters is not the promoter of the 6.66 mystery Rosary because one third of twenty is 6.67, not 6.66, my answer is that it is actually LESS than 6.66, because it is literally 6.666666..., or,
six point six six
six six six
six six six
six six six
six six six
six six six
six six six
etc.
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Anyone who wants to argue that John Paul the 'Great' patron of child molesters is not the promoter of the 6.66 mystery Rosary because one third of twenty is 6.67, not 6.66, my answer is that it is actually LESS than 6.66, because it is literally 6.666666..., or,
six point six six
six six six
six six six
six six six
six six six
six six six
six six six
etc.
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This is Paul VI’s signature upside down. Honestly, who makes a “P” like this?
(https://sp1.yimg.com/ib/th?id=HN.608051731537201453&pid=15.1)
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Anyone who wants to argue that John Paul the 'Great' patron of child molesters is not the promoter of the 6.66 mystery Rosary because one third of twenty is 6.67, not 6.66, my answer is that it is actually LESS than 6.66, because it is literally 6.666666..., or,
six point six six
six six six
six six six
six six six
six six six
six six six
six six six
etc.
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This is Paul VI’s signature upside down. Honestly, who makes a “P” like this?
(https://sp1.yimg.com/ib/th?id=HN.608051731537201453&pid=15.1)
You mean this was Paul VI? VI? VI?
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Interesting they never mentioned he was Papal Nuncio to Istanbul in their biography of John XXIII... It said he was "Apostolic Delegate to Turkey and Greece," but no mention of his tenure as "Papal Nuncio" to Istanbul.
Wow...
Listen to this exchange.
He (Roncalli-- John XXIII) expanded and internationalized the college of cardinals, called the first diocesan synod of Rome in history, revised the code of canon law, and called the Second Vatican Council to revitalize the church. This council was the major achievement of his life [and undertook] to renew the life of the church and its teachings, with the ultimate goal of the reunification of Christianity.
[The council marked the beginning of a new spirit of openness On the part of Rome toward Christians not of the papal obedience. The story is told that, when it was announced that Protestant leaders would be invited to the council as observers, the conservative Cardinal Ottaviani was horrified. He said:
"But Your Holiness, Protestants are heretics!"
"Do not say, 'heretics,' my son. Say, 'separated
Brethren.'"
"They are in league with the devil!"
"Do not say, 'devil,' my son. Say, 'separated angel.'"]
I WONDER WHAT SAINT WOULD EVER SAY THAT! Oh that's right! NOT A CATHOLIC "SAINT!" A "SATANIC" SAINT!
Hmm, I wonder what he would say now?
"Do not say "in hell," my son. Say "auto exclusion!"
Oh wait, that was what John Paul II said.
Now they can say it together! They can play word games together in their "auto exclusion!"
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the conservative Cardinal Ottaviani was horrified. He said:
"But Your Holiness, Protestants are heretics!"
"Do not say, 'heretics,' my son. Say, 'separated
Brethren.'"
"They are in league with the devil!"
"Do not say, 'devil,' my son. Say, 'separated angel.'"]
separated angel... lol wat!?!?!
Do you have a source for this conversation ParentsforTruth?
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Anyone who wants to argue that John Paul the 'Great' patron of child molesters is not the promoter of the 6.66 mystery Rosary because one third of twenty is 6.67, not 6.66, my answer is that it is actually LESS than 6.66, because it is literally 6.666666..., or,
six point six six
six six six
six six six
six six six
six six six
six six six
six six six
etc.
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This is Paul VI’s signature upside down. Honestly, who makes a “P” like this?
(https://sp1.yimg.com/ib/th?id=HN.608051731537201453&pid=15.1)
You mean this was Paul VI? VI? VI?
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No, see it would have been Paul 6666. Notice the VI and the 6 6 6.
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Interesting they never mentioned he was Papal Nuncio to Istanbul in their biography of John XXIII... It said he was "Apostolic Delegate to Turkey and Greece," but no mention of his tenure as "Papal Nuncio" to Istanbul.
Wow...
Listen to this exchange.
He (Roncalli-- John XXIII) expanded and internationalized the college of cardinals, called the first diocesan synod of Rome in history, revised the code of canon law, and called the Second Vatican Council to revitalize the church. This council was the major achievement of his life [and undertook] to renew the life of the church and its teachings, with the ultimate goal of the reunification of Christianity.
[The council marked the beginning of a new spirit of openness On the part of Rome toward Christians not of the papal obedience. The story is told that, when it was announced that Protestant leaders would be invited to the council as observers, the conservative Cardinal Ottaviani was horrified. He said:
"But Your Holiness, Protestants are heretics!"
"Do not say, 'heretics,' my son. Say, 'separated
Brethren.'"
"They are in league with the devil!"
"Do not say, 'devil,' my son. Say, 'separated angel.'"]
I WONDER WHAT SAINT WOULD EVER SAY THAT! Oh that's right! NOT A CATHOLIC "SAINT!" A "SATANIC" SAINT!
Hmm, I wonder what he would say now?
"Do not say "in hell," my son. Say "auto exclusion!"
Oh wait, that was what John Paul II said.
Now they can say it together! They can play word games together in their "auto exclusion!"
The term "seperated brethren" is a tool of evangelization. The idea is to create an ambiance that is not hostile. The fruit of this is when Protestants return to the Catholic Faith.
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Oh, but you would call Lucifer a "separated angel," poche?
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Anyone who wants to argue that John Paul the 'Great' patron of child molesters is not the promoter of the 6.66 mystery Rosary because one third of twenty is 6.67, not 6.66, my answer is that it is actually LESS than 6.66, because it is literally 6.666666..., or,
six point six six
six six six
six six six
six six six
six six six
six six six
six six six
etc.
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Neil I'm having a dense moment today. I understand that the luminous mysteries added account for the "20" but I don't understand the "1/3". Aren't they 1/4 of his new rosary? Regardless not Our Lady's rosary.
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Anyone who wants to argue that John Paul the 'Great' patron of child molesters is not the promoter of the 6.66 mystery Rosary because one third of twenty is 6.67, not 6.66, my answer is that it is actually LESS than 6.67, because it is literally 6.666666..., or,
six point
six six six
six six six
six six six
six six six
six six six
six six six
etc.
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Neil I'm having a dense moment today. I understand that the luminous mysteries added account for the "20" but I don't understand the "1/3". Aren't they 1/4 of this new rosary? Regardless not Our Lady's rosary.
It's okay. When I first heard this I had to rewind and hear it again. Maybe I didn't say it very well.. how about this:
The luminous mysteries added, account for the "20" -- there are 20 mysteries that way.
But I don't understand the "1/3" -- the 1/3 is APPLIED TO the 20, not derived from it.
Aren't they 1/4 of this new rosary? -- Yes, 5 decades are 1/4 of 20 decades. But thinking about that isn't the thinking that I'm referring to.
Think of it this way:
TRADITIONALLY, we say, "There are 15 Mysteries in the Rosary and one-third of them is 5 mysteries, which we like to call 'a Rosary' even though it's only ONE THIRD of a complete 15-decade Rosary."
So we speak, therefore, traditionally thusly: "When we say 'a Rosary' we usually mean one third of a complete Rosary."
Now, along comes the Newfangled Newrosary with an additional 5 decades, and so if we want to ask traditionally about that, we would ask,
Question:
"One third of a Complete Newfangled Newrosary is how many decades?"
(The Newfangled Newrosary is 20 decades and when you divide that by three you get 6.66 decades.)
Answer:
"One third of a Complete Newfangled Newrosary is 6.66 decades."
The point is not that when you pray the 'luminous mysteries' you have to find a way of saying only 6.66 decades. That's not reasonable. It would amount to some fraction of the 13 prayers, like 8-2/3 of them. You'd be somewhere in the second half of the 8th Hail Mary. What about the concluding prayers? Etc. &c, etc. It's just a joke. And explaining all the nuances like this means it won't be funny. Here is how to present it:
You say:
Hi, Mike. We're going to pray the Rosary today.
Mike:
Oh! That's great! I like to pray the 'luminous mysteries'! Is that what you're doing?
You:
Actually, it's Paschal Time, so we'll pray the Glorious Mysteries.
Mike:
Why not the 'luminous mysteries'?
You:
Well, have you thought about it this way? When we pray all 15 decades, that's called a Complete Rosary, and the shorter version is one third, so the number of your decades is 5, correct?
Mike:
Yeah, one third of those is the number 5. So what's your point?
You:
Okay, so a regular "ROSARY" is one third of a complete Rosary, but if you're saying there are 20 decades in a complete Rosary, when you pray one-third of those, the number of your decades is 6.66.
Mike:
Oh. 6.66, huh? I don't know if that's such a good idea anymore. Okay then, it's the Glorious Mysteries.
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Oh, but you would call Lucifer a "separated angel," poche?
:stare:
I would call him lost
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Anyone who wants to argue that John Paul the 'Great' patron of child molesters is not the promoter of the 6.66 mystery Rosary because one third of twenty is 6.67, not 6.66, my answer is that it is actually LESS than 6.66, because it is literally 6.666666..., or,
six point six six
six six six
six six six
six six six
six six six
six six six
six six six
etc.
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This is Paul VI’s signature upside down. Honestly, who makes a “P” like this?
(https://sp1.yimg.com/ib/th?id=HN.608051731537201453&pid=15.1)
You mean this was Paul VI? VI? VI?
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No, see it would have been Paul 6666. Notice the VI and the 6 6 6.
What I see is -|/ 666 up there.
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Oh, but you would call Lucifer a "separated angel," poche?
:stare:
I would call him lost
Damned, perhaps?
:stare:
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Oh, but you would call Lucifer a "separated angel," poche?
:stare:
I would call him lost
Damned, perhaps?
:stare:
Why are you so judgmental, pft? :wink:
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Oh, but you would call Lucifer a "separated angel," poche?
:stare:
I would call him lost
Damned, perhaps?
:stare:
Why are you so judgmental, pft? :wink:
More like "damned judgmental." :whistleblower: -- She's trying not to imitate the 'virtues' of Francis. :furtive:
(He did NOT say: "Who am I to be so damned judgmental?" :laugh1: )
(I fully expect that idiot roscoe to chime in any minute, accusing me of being "protestant.")
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