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« on: April 24, 2014, 07:55:13 PM »
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  • I thought this was interesting, the program missalette/brochure for this Sundays canonizations of JP II and John XXIII from the Vatican website.  Apparently this is what will be handed out if you are attending in person on Sunday:

    http://www.vatican.va/news_services/liturgy/libretti/2014/20140427-libretto-canonizzazione.pdf


    Read it over if you are interested, it is printed in many languages Italian, French, German, Polish, English and others.
    Pray the Holy Rosary every day!!

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    « Reply #1 on: April 24, 2014, 07:58:50 PM »
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  • Just found the words that will be used for the canonization declaration:

    For the honour of the Blessed Trinity,
    the exaltation of the Catholic faith and
    the increase of the Christian life, by the
    authority of our Lord Jesus Christ, and
    of the Holy Apostles Peter and Paul, and
    our own, after due deliberation and fre-
    quent prayer for divine assistance, and
    having sought the counsel of many of our
    brother Bishops, we declare and define
    Blessed

    John XXIII
    and John Paul II

    be Saints and we enroll them among
    the Saints, decreeing that they are to be
    venerated as such by the whole Church.
    In the name of the Father, and of the Son,
    and of the Holy Spirit
    Pray the Holy Rosary every day!!


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    « Reply #2 on: April 24, 2014, 08:09:10 PM »
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  • I cannot find the English version from this link.
    Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and behold I am with you all days, even to the consummation of the world.

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    « Reply #3 on: April 24, 2014, 08:29:51 PM »
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  • George Weigel has been making the rounds on Catholic radio.

    Some of his comments that struck me:

    What stood out about John Paul II was how intensely normal he was (what about heroic virtue?)

    That Francis brilliantly chose to canonize J23 and JP2 together because they were like bookends to Vatican II (implying that this is in fact a canonization of Vatican II).

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    « Reply #4 on: April 24, 2014, 08:34:40 PM »
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  • Weigel is a tool, nothing more.
    "Kindness is for fools! They [modernists] want to be treated with oil, soap, and caresses, but they ought to be beaten with fists. In a duel, you don't count or measure the blows, you strike as you can. War is not made with charity. It is a struggle, a duel." -- Pope St. Pius X


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    « Reply #5 on: April 24, 2014, 09:30:28 PM »
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  • Quote from: donkath
    I cannot find the English version from this link.


    the missalette has all the languages together, just scroll down some pages til you see some english appearing
    Pray the Holy Rosary every day!!

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    « Reply #6 on: April 24, 2014, 10:45:01 PM »
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    They should hurry up and issue an update because this copy's already obsolete:



    Quote from: Luker
    Just found the words that will be used for the canonization declaration:

    For the honour of the Blessed Trinity,
    the exaltation of the Catholic faith and
    the increase of the Christian life,


    ..and in commemoration of Marco Gusmini, whose
    life was taken Wednesday when the 98-foot cross
    designed by sculptor Enrico Job and
    commemorating JPII's visit fell on him, and..


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    by the
    authority of our Lord Jesus Christ, and
    of the Holy Apostles Peter and Paul, and
    our own, after due deliberation and fre-
    quent prayer for divine assistance, and
    having sought the counsel of many of our
    brother Bishops, we declare and define
    Blessed

    John XXIII
    and John Paul II

    be Saints and we enroll them among
    the Saints, decreeing that they are to be
    venerated as such by the whole Church.
    In the name of the Father, and of the Son,
    and of the Holy Spirit





    Cevo’s mayor said further celebrations to mark the occasion had been canceled.  ---  


    Maybe the Vatican should follow Cevo's wise lead and just
    cancel the stupid Newcanonizations, that is, before they find out
    what it's REALLY like to be on the receiving end of God's wrath.


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    « Reply #7 on: April 25, 2014, 12:58:53 AM »
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  • Quote from: Luker
    Quote from: donkath
    I cannot find the English version from this link.


    the missalette has all the languages together, just scroll down some pages til you see some english appearing


    Thank you.
    Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and behold I am with you all days, even to the consummation of the world.


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    « Reply #8 on: April 25, 2014, 02:45:06 AM »
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    The canonization portion of the ceremony is all in Latin, before mass (which is in Italian starting with the "liturgy of the word").  

    Litaniæ Sanctorum (Litany of the Saints) in Latin
    Antiphona ad introitum (Introit antiphon) in Latin -- the same as TLM Quasimodo Sunday! (I don't think this is done in NovusOrdo liturgy because they have a new thing for "Divine Mercy Sunday.")
    Kyrie eleison in Greek (only 2 reps per verse instead of 3 -- Gregorian Chant, Missa de Angelis)
    (Then follows the Latin text, below, ending with al Santo Padre per un saluto riconoscente)
    Gloria in excelsis in Latin, Missa de Angelis (Gregorian Chant)
    Victimæ paschali laudes in Latin, Chant again.
    Collect in Latin
    Then Liturgy of the Word in Italian............ etc....




    I'm surprised.   The Latin Chant is stuff we've all heard a hundred times.  

    The Italian music looks like it's all modern stuff I've never heard before.

    It seems like they're trying to put a "traditional face" on the canonization,
    and frame it in a modernist setting.  

    They are PULLING OUT ALL THE STOPS to make this appear very official and unquestionable, regarding the formula and the intro and the conclusion, but it's all framed in a very Newchurch kind of environment -- this seems to
    be the hermeneutic of continuity of Benedict XVI where the rubber
    meets the road.  IMHO.




    The canonization Latin text is as follows:

    Prima petitio
    Il Cardinale Angelo Amato, S.D.B., Prefetto della Congregazione
    delle Cause dei Santi, accompagnato dai Postulatori, si reca dal
    Santo Padre e domanda che si proceda alla Canonizzazione dei
    Beati Giovanni XXIII e Giovanni Paolo II:
    Beatissime Pater,
    instanter postulat Sancta Mater Ecclesia per Sanctitatem Vestram
    catalogo Sanctorum adscribi, et tamquam Sanctos ab omnibus
    christifidelibus pronunciari Beatos
    Ioannem XXIII
    et Ioannem Paulum II.
    Il Santo Padre:
    fratres carissimi,
    deo Patri omnipotenti preces nostras per Iesum
    christum levemus, ut, Beatæ Mariæ Virginis et omnium
    Sanctorum suorum
    intercessione, sua gratia sustineat id quod sollemniter acturi
    sumus.

    Pausa di silenzio.

    Il Santo Padre:
    Preces populi tui, quæsumus,
    domine,
    benignus admitte,
    ut quod famulatu nostro gerimus et tibi placeat
    et Ecclesiæ tuæ proficiat incrementis.
    Per christum  dominum nostrum.
    Amen

    Secunda petitio
    Il Cardinale Prefetto:
    Unanima precatione roborata, Beatissime Pater, Sancta Ecclesia
    instantius flagitat ut Sanctitas Vestra filios hos ipsius electos in
    Sanctorum
    catalogo annumeret.
    Il Santo Padre:
    Spiritum vivificantem, igitur, invocemus, ut mentem nostram
    illuminet atque
    christus
    dominus ne permittat errare Ecclesiam
    suam in tanto negotio.
    Veni, creator Spiritus

    La schola:
    1.
    Veni, creator Spiritus,
    mentes tuorum visita,
    imple superna gratia,
    quæ tu creasti, pector

    (they sing all 6 verses of Veni creator spiritus in Gregorian Chant, antiphonally)

    Tertia petitio
    Il Cardinale Prefetto:
    Beatissime Pater,
    Sancta Ecclesia,
    domini promisso nixa Spiritum Veritatis in se
    mittendi, qui omni tempore supremum Magisterium erroris
    expertem reddit, instantissime supplicat Sanctitatem Vestram
    ut hos
    ipsius electos in Sanctorum
    catalogum referat

    Canonizationis formula
    Il Santo Padre:
    Ad honorem Sanctæ et Individuæ Trinitatis,
    ad exaltationem fidei catholicæ
    et vitæ christianæ incrementum,
    auctoritate
    domini nostri Iesu
    christi,
    beatorum Apostolorum Petri et Pauli ac Nostra,
    matura deliberatione præhabita
    et divina ope sæpius implorata,
    ac de plurimorum
    fratrum Nostrorum consilio,
    Beatos
    Ioannem XXIII
    et Ioannem Paulum II
    Sanctos esse decernimus et definimus,
    ac Sanctorum
    catalogo adscribimus,
    statuentes eos in universa Ecclesia
    inter Sanctos pia devotione recoli debere.
    In nomine Patris et
    filii et Spiritus Sancti.


    (Then follows the Iubilate Deo in Latin, using Western notation instead of Gregorian notation)

    Iubilate deo, cantate domino

    La schola e l’assemblea

    (It's a sing-song-y chorus for everyone and the schola sings the verses,
    then everyone joins back in with the Chorus again, between each verse)

    Iu-bi-la-te-Deo, can-ta-te-Do-mi-no, Iu-bi-la-te-Deo, can-ta-te-Do-mi-no
     
    (They sing 3 verses of Iubilate Deo, in thanks to God for this blessed event)

    La schola:
    Ps 32, 1. 3. 18-19. 21-22

    1.  Exsultate, iusti, in domino;  
    rectos decet collaudatio.
    cantate ei canticum novum,
    bene psallite ei in vociferatione.

    2.
    Ecce oculi domini super metuentes eum,
    in eos, qui sperant super misericordia eius,
    ut eruat a morte animas eorum
    et alat eos in fame.

    3.  
    In domino lætabitur cor nostrum,
    et in nomine sancto eius speravimus.
    fiat misericordia tua,
    domine, super nos,
    quemadmodum speravimus in te





    Il Cardinale Prefetto ringrazia il Santo Padre:
    Beatissime Pater,
    nomine Sanctæ Ecclesiæ enixas gratias ago de pronuntiatione
    a Sanctitate Vestra facta ac humiliter peto ut eadem Sanctitas
    Vestra super peracta
    canonizatione Litteras Apostolicas dignetur
    decernere.
    Il Santo Padre:
    decernimus.
    Il Cardinale Prefetto si avvicina al Santo Padre per un saluto
    riconoscente



    (At this point, return to the Gloria in excelsis, in the list above)


    (The Holy Father repeatedly refers to himself as "WE" -- I think this will be the first time Francis has done so, and as I recall JPII stopped saying "WE" in place of the first person singular sometime in 1979 or 1980, if I'm not mistaken --- anyone have a better handle on this???)



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    « Reply #9 on: April 25, 2014, 03:05:34 AM »
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    Correct me if I'm wrong, but the only part I see different from the 1962 Missal here is no Confiteor.  Because they removed the prayers at the foot of the altar in a later edition.  The SSPX retains the Prayers, as well as the Second Confiteor (at the Communion of the Faithful).

    This would seem to be further indication of what we can expect in the new "hybrid Mass" that is rumored to be coming out soon:  Starts with the Latin we all are familiar with, then goes to vernacular for the "readings" (which I have heard SSPX pew-sitters say is just fine with them) and so on, whatever.  

    But it's going to be touch and go with the Prayers at the Foot of the Altar, then a maybe a Confiteor,
    Introit in Latin,
    Kyrie (2 or 3 reps, depending on the region!),
    Gloria in excelsis in Latin, Missa de Angelis (Gregorian Chant),
    Victimæ paschali laudes in Latin, Chant again, (or other sequence or tract)
    Collect in Latin
    Then Liturgy of the Word in Italian... or English...  or German ......... etc....



    ..........Get ready to hear Fellay and his cronies have a good word to say about this.........

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    « Reply #10 on: April 25, 2014, 11:45:42 AM »
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  • Quote from: Neil Obstat

    La schola:
    1.
    Veni, creator Spiritus,
    mentes tuorum visita,
    imple superna gratia,
    quæ tu creasti, pector

    (they sing all 6 verses of Veni creator spiritus in Gregorian Chant, antiphonally)



    There are 7 verses to Veni Creator.
    Are they singing 6 plus the one you mentioned or only 6 of the 7?

    Here is the complete version:

    VENI, Creator Spiritus,
    mentes tuorum visita,
    imple superna gratia
    quae tu creasti pectora.    

    Qui diceris Paraclitus,
    altissimi donum Dei,
    fons vivus, ignis, caritas,
    et spiritalis unctio.    

    Tu, septiformis munere,
    digitus paternae dexterae,
    Tu rite promissum Patris,
    sermone ditans guttura.    

    Accende lumen sensibus:
    infunde amorem cordibus:
    infirma nostri corporis
    virtute firmans perpeti.    

    Hostem repellas longius,
    pacemque dones protinus:
    ductore sic te praevio
    vitemus omne noxium.    

    Per te sciamus da Patrem,
    noscamus atque Filium;
    Teque utriusque Spiritum
    credamus omni tempore.    

    Deo Patri sit gloria,
    et Filio, qui a mortuis
    surrexit, ac Paraclito,
    in saeculorum saecula.
    Amen.

    I don't mean to be finicky but we have this as part of our morning prayers and was surprised when you said 6, why would you leave one out?

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    « Reply #11 on: April 25, 2014, 07:47:32 PM »
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  • I hope Pope Francis once again deviates from his prepared text.
    What return shall I make to the Lord for all the things that He hath given unto me?

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    « Reply #12 on: April 25, 2014, 08:07:39 PM »
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  • I think they'll try to keep Jorge on a tight leash so the whole mockery will appear to be totally kosher (pun intended) and therefore, without question and "infallible".  
    "I will lead her into solitude and there I will speak to her heart.  Osee 2:14

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    « Reply #13 on: April 25, 2014, 09:05:57 PM »
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  • Quote from: holysoulsacademy
    Quote from: Neil Obstat

    La schola:
    1.
    Veni, creator Spiritus,
    mentes tuorum visita,
    imple superna gratia,
    quæ tu creasti, pector

    (they sing all 6 verses of Veni creator spiritus in Gregorian Chant, antiphonally)



    There are 7 verses to Veni Creator.
    Are they singing 6 plus the one you mentioned or only 6 of the 7?

    Here is the complete version:

    VENI, Creator Spiritus,
    mentes tuorum visita,
    imple superna gratia
    quae tu creasti pectora.    

    Qui diceris Paraclitus,
    altissimi donum Dei,
    fons vivus, ignis, caritas,
    et spiritalis unctio.    

    Tu, septiformis munere,
    digitus paternae dexterae,
    Tu rite promissum Patris,
    sermone ditans guttura.    

    Accende lumen sensibus:
    infunde amorem cordibus:
    infirma nostri corporis
    virtute firmans perpeti.    

    Hostem repellas longius,
    pacemque dones protinus:
    ductore sic te praevio
    vitemus omne noxium.    

    Per te sciamus da Patrem,
    noscamus atque Filium;
    Teque utriusque Spiritum
    credamus omni tempore.    

    Deo Patri sit gloria,
    et Filio, qui a mortuis
    surrexit, ac Paraclito,
    in saeculorum saecula.
    Amen.

    I don't mean to be finicky but we have this as part of our morning prayers and was surprised when you said 6, why would you leave one out?

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    You're right.  I made the mistake of not double-checking.  They have omitted the 7th verse, without explanation.  They have, "...Teque utriusque Spiritum credamus omni tempore. Amen."

    I would have to guess why.  Maybe they think it will take too long.  They're doing this antiphonally, beginning with the schola on verse 1, then the congregation on verse 2, and alternating, so that verse 6, being even, is the people, so they have the schola and the people on the Amen.  If they kept that pattern, the schola would sing verse 7 and then maybe it would be hard to get the people to jump in at the Amen.  But I'd say, just have everyone sing the 7th verse AND the Amen together.  So leaving out the 7th verse makes no sense, unless it's just too much time, somehow.  But what's the big deal over TWENTY SECONDS???  (It's like, "Oh, this piece is two minutes forty seconds long -- we have to shorten it to 2:20, so let's kill the last verse."  HUH?)

    The translation for the 7th verse goes like this:

    All glory to the Father be,
    And to the risen Son;
    The same to Thee, O Paraclete,
    While endless ages run.  Amen.  

    I'm at a loss.  It might have been an oversight but that doesn't seem possible.
    There is nothing in this 7th verse that is conspicuous to me as a motive for them to leave it out.  The word, "Paraclete?"  "While endless ages run?"  I don't know.  

    The idea of putting the Veni creator in there in the first place is a big enough step in itself.  This is the Vespers hymn for Pentecost Sunday.  It is used for Confirmations, and for an Offertory hymn at High Mass, almost any time of year, but generally not during Advent or Lent, nor during a Requiem Mass.  It is used for Ordination ceremonies, Episcopal Consecration Mass and for even Weddings and Baptisms.  It's a little bit like Te Deum, but not quite as triumphant.  But it's one of the most frequently used hymns in all Western Catholicism.

    Thank you for noticing that I missed the 7th verse.  I don't mind at all that you said that.


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    « Reply #14 on: April 27, 2014, 09:40:29 AM »
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    They ended the Veni creator spiritus at the end of verse 6 and did not sing verse 7.


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