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Offline Meg

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Re: THE PASSION SEQUEL
« Reply #30 on: February 02, 2018, 12:14:35 PM »
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    • Quote from: Pax Vobis on February 02, 2018, 09:51:07 AM
    It is THE BEST religious movie depicting Christ's sufferings for us EVER made.  It's not perfect, and Mel's not perfect, and you're not perfect and neither am I.  Enjoy it for the good that it provides.

    I agree. That's the reason why I try to watch the film during Holy Week every year. It's good to be reminded of what Our Lord suffered for us (and our redemption) during His Passion. Of course we can still reflect on this without viewing a film which depicts it, but it helps me.

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    Re: THE PASSION SEQUEL
    « Reply #31 on: February 02, 2018, 12:38:28 PM »
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    • Caravaggio, who painted this masterpiece, "The Incredulity of St Thomas" (my favorite) along with many others, was a violent crazy man and a murderer, yet who can deny the magnificence of this painting? I may not have wanted the artist as my neighbor, but I certainly wouldn't refuse this phenomenon's work in my home!  Caravaggio's paintings are in Basilicas and museums all over the world. An inspired Catholic genius with a notorious criminal life.... I don't know how this works, but it can't be denied. 
    I will certainly see Mel's movie.



     
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    Re: THE PASSION SEQUEL
    « Reply #32 on: February 02, 2018, 02:24:00 PM »
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    • I'm always pulling for Mel Gibson.

    The Passion was a great work of charity, and "charity doth cover a multitude of sins."

    My hope is that his re-exposure to the subject matter will awaken in him a desire to repent, straighten his life out, and get right with God.

    Regardless of that, I am curious to know how he will approach the topic:

    Will he cover Our Lord's descent into hell (i.e. "the harrowing of hell")?  I think that would be very interesting, as I am not aware of that event ever having been depicted by motion pictures.

    Or, will he skip what might be a difficult event to portray, cinematographically speaking, and just start at the actual resurrection?

    And then, how far will he go: To the Ascension?

    Has anyone seen any details posted in this regard?





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    Re: THE PASSION SEQUEL
    « Reply #33 on: February 02, 2018, 02:37:07 PM »
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    • Quote from: SeanJohnson on February 02, 2018, 02:24:00 PM
    I'm always pulling for Mel Gibson.

    The Passion was a great work of charity, and "charity doth cover a multitude of sins."

    My hope is that his re-exposure to the subject matter will awaken in him a desire to repent, straighten his life out, and get right with God.

    Regardless of that, I am curious to know how he will approach the topic:

    Will he cover Our Lord's descent into hell (i.e. "the harrowing of hell")?  I think that would be very interesting, as I am not aware of that event ever having been depicted by motion pictures.

    Or, will he skip what might be a difficult event to portray, cinematographically speaking, and just start at the actual resurrection?

    And then, how far will he go: To the Ascension?

    Has anyone seen any details posted in this regard?

    Found this:
    "And sources have hinted that the film may cover the “harrowing of hell” — the idea that between his death and resurrection, Jesus descended into hell and, in some traditions, freed the souls of the righteous dead. (The Apostles’ Creed, which many denominations include as part of their services each week, contains a phrase alluding to this, though theologians differ on what it means and whether it is a good translation of the Biblical text.)
    Because of the controversial nature of this assertion, and depending on how much of that story is covered in a sequel, evangelical audiences in particular — who tend to favor literalist translations of the Bible on screen instead of imaginative ones — may react with less enthusiasm than they did in 2004.
    https://www.vox.com/culture/2018/1/31/16955448/passion-of-christ-sequel-mel-gibson-jim-caviezel-hell
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    Re: THE PASSION SEQUEL
    « Reply #34 on: February 02, 2018, 02:43:47 PM »
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    • A post in defence of Mel:

    Again from my friend who was close to Fr Stephen Somerville (+RIP). While saying Mass on set one day, Mel Gibson (who was serving the Mass) noticed when Fr genuflected, he had holes in his shoes. So, later that day, a limo pulled up to the hotel Fr Somerville was staying in. He was surprised to find it, as he had no plans, but as the driver insisted it was for him, he went, was taken to a nice shoe store, and had purchased for him a new pair of shoes.
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    « Reply #35 on: February 02, 2018, 03:34:34 PM »
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    • Quote from: SeanJohnson on February 02, 2018, 02:24:00 PM
    I'm always pulling for Mel Gibson.

    The Passion was a great work of charity, and "charity doth cover a multitude of sins."

    My hope is that his re-exposure to the subject matter will awaken in him a desire to repent, straighten his life out, and get right with God.

    Regardless of that, I am curious to know how he will approach the topic:

    Will he cover Our Lord's descent into hell (i.e. "the harrowing of hell")?  I think that would be very interesting, as I am not aware of that event ever having been depicted by motion pictures.

    Or, will he skip what might be a difficult event to portray, cinematographically speaking, and just start at the actual resurrection?

    And then, how far will he go: To the Ascension?

    Has anyone seen any details posted in this regard?
    My prediction is that he will start where The Passion of Christ left off....with the Resurrection and the opening of the tomb.
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    « Reply #36 on: February 02, 2018, 04:04:16 PM »
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    • MAYBE....Gibson will portray the forty days before the Ascension as Blessed Ann Catherine Emmerich described- with Christ teaching the Apostles the Holy Mass of all time. 
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    « Reply #37 on: February 02, 2018, 04:07:44 PM »
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    • Wow, wouldn't that be something.  I need to read that book.
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    « Reply #38 on: February 02, 2018, 04:12:22 PM »
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    • Quote from: Miseremini on February 01, 2018, 08:45:23 PM
    Checking in the Haydock bible 1884 in the footnotes for Genesis 3:15 it reads,
    "for it is by her seed, Jesus Christ that the woman crushes the serpent's head".
    As does the commentary in the Douay Rheims Bible (another traditional Catholic bible):

    [15] I will put enmities between thee and the woman, and thy seed and her seed: she shall crush thy head, and thou shalt lie in wait for her heel.

    [15] "She shall crush": Ipsa, the woman; so divers of the fathers read this place, conformably to the Latin: others read it ipsum, viz., the seed. The sense is the same: for it is by her seed, Jesus Christ, that the woman crushes the serpent's head.


    I would have to see more examples of Mel Gibson protestant-izing his film.  This alone is no slam dunk.
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    Re: THE PASSION SEQUEL
    « Reply #39 on: February 02, 2018, 05:00:05 PM »
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    • Quote from: Pax Vobis on February 02, 2018, 04:07:44 PM
    Wow, wouldn't that be something.  I need to read that book.

    There are errors contained in Anne-Catherine Emmerich's "Book of Visions" (which was not written by her):

    https://tradidi.com/church/valtorta-dagreda-emmerich-true-or-false-visions


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    Re: THE PASSION SEQUEL
    « Reply #40 on: February 02, 2018, 05:15:22 PM »
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    • Thanks- I was going from memory and then I pulled the book out. Jesus did participate and impart the Eucharist during the 40 days, but according to Emmerich, Peter said the first Mass 5 days after Pentacost. So the statement above about the entire Mass was not totally correct. Sorry
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    Re: THE PASSION SEQUEL
    « Reply #41 on: February 02, 2018, 06:13:45 PM »
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    • Quote from: SeanJohnson on February 02, 2018, 05:00:05 PM
    There are errors contained in Anne-Catherine Emmerich's "Book of Visions" (which was not written by her):

    https://tradidi.com/church/valtorta-dagreda-emmerich-true-or-false-visions


    So Gibson wouldn't know the correct scenes from Emmerich's book to include in his movie?

    He totally botched the Last Supper scene, unless we hear from Fr. Lafitte that that was made-up too?  According to Emmerich, it was an incredibly ornate ceremony.  Not at all as Gibson portrayed it.

    Bottomline, I disagree with Pax Vobis.  We really can't compromise on the details.

    Gibson's Hollywood flicks are like the tasty cakes with the 5% poison that HE warns about.

    There was an array of Scriptural inconsistencies within his "Passion" scenes.  
    And he had all the time in the world to make it right.

    In his coffee table "Passion" book introduction, Gibson includes a disclaimer: Basically, that as an artist, he didn't intend for the movie to be historically accurate. He was merely giving imagery to the Passion memory.  Hey, no imprimatur needed. He's a movie star, so we have to accept it.

    Considering Gibson's (post Passion) drinking problems, womanizing, illegitimate children and movies promoting Jєωιѕн and 7th Day Adventist war heroes... I'd say he can't be trusted.

    Trads are so naive.  
    It's easy to understand how the SSPX bamboozled the movement.  
    Show a trad a long cassock and without question, they'll fall backwards in admiration.


    Jew actor and not one Christian
    scene in the whole movie.

    There's many a photo of Catholic priests
    celebrating Mass or giving Last rites
    in the WWII Pacific theater.

    "trad" Gibson ignored them all,
    playing to jew-Hollywood and
    their ecuмenical movement.



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