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Offline Merry

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The overbearing husband?
« on: October 24, 2017, 02:34:55 PM »
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    • How about if there is a discussion about those husbands who treat their wives like squaws.  There are those indeed, even among trad Catholic men.
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    Re: The overbearing husband?
    « Reply #1 on: October 24, 2017, 03:22:34 PM »
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    • In 22+ years of attending SSPX chapels I have never met such a couple. 
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    Re: The overbearing husband?
    « Reply #2 on: October 24, 2017, 03:24:55 PM »
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    • Like squaws? 

    What, do they have them dress game, chew hides, pull a travois cause the dog has prettier eyes?
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    Re: The overbearing husband?
    « Reply #3 on: October 24, 2017, 03:30:26 PM »
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    • Quote from: Last Tradhican on October 24, 2017, 03:22:34 PM
    In 22+ years of attending SSPX chapels I have never met such a couple.
    Fr. Paul Ward of the SSPX is fond of telling women not to get a college education, but to get married right out of high school and then remain quiet, barefoot, and pregnant, constantly pregnant.
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    Re: The overbearing husband?
    « Reply #4 on: October 24, 2017, 03:41:02 PM »
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    • Quote from: Maria Regina on October 24, 2017, 03:30:26 PM
    Fr. Paul Ward of the SSPX is fond of telling women not to get a college education, but to get married right out of high school and then remain quiet, barefoot, and pregnant, constantly pregnant.
    Easy to say when he has no children, nor any responsibility for taking care of anyone financial, even himself.

    Even spiritually, SSPX priests get transferred and that is the end of any responsibility they have to their parishioners. Parents do not have that luxury.
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    Re: The overbearing husband?
    « Reply #5 on: October 25, 2017, 01:45:04 AM »
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    • Most people site Proverbs 31 as a guidebook for women, and it is that, but it is also a guide for men.  Think about the Proverbs 31 husband, what kind of a man was he who stood beside her for a lifetime?

    Thirty-one verses, perfect for meditating on one verse a day.
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    Re: The overbearing husband?
    « Reply #6 on: October 25, 2017, 05:15:53 AM »
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    • Quote from: Maria Regina on October 24, 2017, 03:30:26 PM
    Fr. Paul Ward of the SSPX is fond of telling women not to get a college education, but to get married right out of high school and then remain quiet, barefoot, and pregnant, constantly pregnant.


    Tell me one female saint who had a college education....


    Anyway, on the topic, I think you know how we men feel with relation to the communist world we live in where the government wants to interfere in every aspect of our lives. It should not do that and should back off, but it doesn't. We men need support from the government. REAL support, and don't get it.

    So, I have great compassion for women in bad situations. But for those who think theirs is the only bad situation, and that men have it easy, I have none.
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    Re: The overbearing husband?
    « Reply #7 on: October 25, 2017, 07:51:41 AM »
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    • Here's a scholarly and measured response to female college education, which dissects Msgr. Williamson's anti-college position.

    TIA Link

    The Editor responds: 

    Dear J.J., 

    I thank you for your e-mail and for your consideration in asking TIA for an answer to your question. 

    Bishop Richard Williamson certainly deserves respect for being a valid Successor of the Apostles and for the important and good orientation he has given many people regarding the evils of Progressivism that have taken over the Church after the last Council. 

    Even in the 2001 letter you pointed out in your e-mail, he makes many good points when he repeats three principles St. Thomas taught on the role of woman in the church, the home and society. Also, the basic difference he sets out between the missions of the husband and the wife in the family reflects, as much as I can see, Natural Law and the teachings of the Church. The general corruption of customs on today's campuses, principally when students of both sexes live in residence halls at the universities, is a sad reality that must be avoided at any cost as an occasion of sin. Finally, I also agree with the Prelate when he combats feminism, which increasingly has encouraged women to assume masculine roles almost everywhere in social, political and economic careers. 

    Out of touch with reality 

    I am much more reticent in agreeing with His Excellency, however, when he pretends to represent the mind of the Church by issuing a diktat forbidding women to go to universities. Some general statements / syllogisms of his letter did not convince me, such as these:

    In these texts, as in his entire argument, His Excellency departs from the presupposition of a university as it existed in the Middle Ages and was described by Card. John Newman: an ensemble of disciplines wisely distributed around philosophy and having theology as their queen. I like this distribution of subjects very much, and I also believe that every human science and knowledge should be ordered toward the glory of God. 

    What is surprising to me, however, is that His Excellency did not seem to realize that this concept of “true university”- which was valid in the Middle Ages and was still present in some medieval institutions until the two great World Wars - does not apply to the reality around us today. 

    Characteristically feminine jobs taught at universities 

    Nowadays, almost every knowledge, profession or practice has been elevated to the university level, including many subjects that are characteristically feminine. For instance,  home economics, which is how to manage a home, is the object of a college degree; interior decoration is taught in architecture colleges; how to deal with children is taught in pedagogy departments. These topics are entirely proper to a woman’s nature and are closely related to her first concerns - her home and children. 

    If a woman wants to become more distinguished, she may take some languages courses at a university. If she wants to become more cultured, she may go to a fine arts college to study music, painting, sculpting - either in theory or practice -- or to take a course of history or general culture. 

    If a woman wants to be a nurse or a high school teacher, traditional occupations of Catholic nuns in the past, today she needs college degrees for that. 

    In these subjects I do not see anything that per se opposes feminine nature. Consequently, I believe a woman may go to a college for such purposes. 

    Jobs that may be exercised indifferently by both sexes 

    There are other professions that can be exercised either by a man or a woman. Some examples among many include: pharmacist, dentist, journalist, translator, photographer. Does per chance a pharmacist need to be a man? Perhaps a man would be better to manage the business, but I would say that a woman's  precision in following  a recipe for a cake serves her well to prepare a medicinal prescription.  Why should a dentist or dental technician be a man and not a woman? Either of them can clean your teeth equally well. I agree that, on one hand, the man is stronger to pull a tooth, but, on the other hand, a woman is more careful about the patient's pain. Thus, there are pros and cons that may be discussed, but there is no verdict that necessarily determines dentistry must be exercised by a man. I could continue on in various professions and give examples for each case. 

    It is my opinion that a woman should not work, but take care of her home and children. But, if she is not married or she cogently needs to work, none of these professions per se will necessarily harm her feminine nature. She may go to the university with peace of conscience and take her degree in order to carry out her métier. 

    Jobs characteristically masculine 

    In those professions that are typically masculine, I agree with His Excellency. I give a few examples: military officer, policeman, surgeon, electronic technician, construction engineer. Insofar as courses for such professions are taught in universities, I believe that as a rule a woman should not put her foot in them. 

    Conclusion of the analysis 

    In conclusion, it is my opinion that His Excellency was too generic and theoretical. His “true university” does not exist today. What exists is a different reality - there are colleges for many things that are or can be justifiably feminine. He did not take this reality into consideration. Therefore, his conclusion - girls should not go to the university because it violates the feminine nature - is baseless. 

    Notwithstanding, I believe that due moral precautions must be taken, as he mentions, to avoid occasions of sin and the revolutionary feminism present in universities today. 

    Here you have my analysis of Bishop Williamson’s article. I hope it will alleviate your affliction. 

         Cordially, 

         Atila S. Guimarães
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    Re: The overbearing husband?
    « Reply #8 on: October 25, 2017, 08:03:30 AM »
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    • If Catholic parents read the 2004 novel, "I Am Charlotte Simmons", by Tom Wolfe they would never let their daughters go away to college.



    American universities banished Wolfe after this book, because he exposed their mass corruption of minds, hearts and souls of American youth.

    Wolfe, an Episcopalian, hit the nail on the head, demonstrating that the ʝʊdɛօ-masonics control our country's higher education.
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    Re: The overbearing husband?
    « Reply #9 on: October 25, 2017, 09:51:03 AM »
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    • Speaking as someone currently attending a university (a smaller state school), not all are the same by any stretch. The only school that can and should be avoided are the NO universities (like Notre Dame, St. Thomas MN, Villanova, Gonzaga, St. Johns/St Ben's MN). 99% of them are rotten. 
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    Re: The overbearing husband?
    « Reply #10 on: October 25, 2017, 01:50:39 PM »
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    • Hmmm...  This thread was about the behavior of husbands (OP is a man) and 6 out of the 9 responses relate to women. 

    5/7 posters are men which leads me to believe that men cannot stay on topic.  :laugh1:

     
      
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    Re: The overbearing husband?
    « Reply #11 on: October 25, 2017, 02:15:38 PM »
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    • Quite often people want to discuss overbearing husbands (and other misuses of the husband's authority) as a way to undermine the Catholic teaching that a husband has authority over his wife.

    I think it is important to have a clear understanding of how marriage is supposed to work before getting into discussions of distorted versions of marriage.  It is clear enough that a husband should not abuse his authority, just as it is clear that a wife should not disobey her husband.  What is much harder to understand is what a godly marriage looks like.  We live in a world where we see few models of this, yet this is what we need.
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    Re: The overbearing husband?
    « Reply #12 on: October 25, 2017, 02:19:18 PM »
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    • Quote from: Jaynek on October 25, 2017, 02:15:38 PM
    Quite often people want to discuss overbearing husbands (and other misuses of the husband's authority) as a way to undermine the Catholic teaching that a husband has authority over his wife.

    I think it is important to have a clear understanding of how marriage is supposed to work before getting into discussions of distorted versions of marriage.  It is clear enough that a husband should not abuse his authority, just as it is clear that a wife should not disobey her husband.  What is much harder to understand is what a godly marriage looks like.  We live in a world where we see few models of this, yet this is what we need.
    However, if the husband were to be saintly and lead his domestic church by patience, love, and good example, then this whole topic of "overbearing" would not exist.
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    It is a sin to be officious, overbearing, and bossy, and yes, I am being redundant, just in case someone were not to understand the definition of officious.
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    « Reply #13 on: October 25, 2017, 02:29:11 PM »
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    • Quote from: Jaynek on October 25, 2017, 02:15:38 PM
    Quite often people want to discuss overbearing husbands (and other misuses of the husband's authority) as a way to undermine the Catholic teaching that a husband has authority over his wife.

    I think it is important to have a clear understanding of how marriage is supposed to work before getting into discussions of distorted versions of marriage.  It is clear enough that a husband should not abuse his authority, just as it is clear that a wife should not disobey her husband.  What is much harder to understand is what a godly marriage looks like.  We live in a world where we see few models of this, yet this is what we need.
    Well put ma'am.
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    Re: The overbearing husband?
    « Reply #14 on: October 25, 2017, 02:31:42 PM »
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    • Quote from: Maria Regina on October 25, 2017, 02:19:18 PM
    However, if the husband were to be saintly and lead his domestic church by patience, love, and good example, then this whole topic of "overbearing" would not exist.
    I do have a saintly husband.  That probably colours my perspective on these issues.
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