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The New English Liturgy
A Cleaner Translation of a Protestantized Rite
By John Vennari
 


The First Sunday at Advent saw the mandatory introduction of the new English translation of the Novus Ordo into the nation’s parishes.

G.K. Chesterton once noted that the closer a man gets to sanity, the closer he gets to orthodoxy, that is, to the Catholic Church.

If the new translation is closer to accuracy of the original Latin, then it is closer to sanity, and thus at least closer, in this aspect, to a Catholic approach. The post-conciliar upheaval is of such colossal dimension that a fix in any of its broken structures can be viewed as a step in the right direction.

That being said, there is still a long way to go to restore sanity to parishes nationwide.

I visited a local parish church this morning for the purpose of observation. I wanted to see and hear the new translation, and take note of parishioners’ reactions.

The old pastor opened by announcing the imposition of the new translation, saying he has seen three responses to it.

The first: those who anticipate it with much enthusiasm. The second: those who view it with grudging acceptance. The third: those who simply ask “will it make the Mass longer?”

It is the first Novus Ordo Mass I’ve seen in a while, as I attend only the Latin Tridentine liturgy, so I came to the parish as an outsider.

One thing was immediately evident: the new translation may have somewhat improved the language, it has done nothing to improve the Novus Ordo atmosphere.

It is still the same New Mass with its banality, slovenliness and limp vestments. It is still a liturgy that appears to be drained of nobility and genuine reverence. It is still a liturgy that transforms the sanctuary into a high-traffic area of concelebrants, Eucharistic ministers, lay-lectors and music ministry.

Some of the most prominent changes in the English are as follows: The response to “The Lord be with you” is no longer, “And also with you”, but “And with your spirit.”

“Through my fault through my fault, through my most grievous fault” is returned to the Confiteor.

The Creed now speaks in the first person “I believe” instead of the communal “We believe”. Our Lord Jesus Christ is now proclaimed in the Creed as “consubstantial with the Father.”

Of course, the most notable change is the accurate words of the Consecration of the wine from what was “for you and for all” to “for you and for many.”

At Communion, the translation now says, “but say the word and my soul shall be healed.”

Outside of the various new translations, it is very much the same Novus Ordo we have seen for the past 40 years. There is no real sense that much has changed. This was especially evident when I saw the three Eucharistic ministers (one male, two female) receive Communion in the hand from the old pastor before they branched out to offer Communion under both kinds to the congregation. Many parishioners received in the hand. Two men walked up the center aisle to Communion side-by-side chatting with each other.

The music was a combination of traditional Advent hymns (O Come, O Come Emmanuel), and new numbers, such as a sappy, dead melody in 6/8 time I had never heard before. From what others tell me, the church I attended is typical of the parishes in Buffalo.

The old pastor closed the Mass by announcing from the podium two pieces of advice for us:

1) “Don’t criticize a man until you’ve walked a mile in his shoes. That way, he won’t hear your criticism from a mile away, and you’ll at least have his shoes.”

2) “The principle ‘If at first you don’t succeed, try again,’ does not apply to sky diving.”

 Thanks, Father.

“A Striking Departure…”

As for parishioners’ reaction to the new translation, there wasn’t anything worth a mention. It was a sparsely populated morning Mass. I saw only a handful of people using the “Seasonal Missalette Worship Resource” supplied in the pews.

As for the new translation, it is simply a cleaner translation of a Protestantized rite – of the New Mass that was written with the help of six Protestant ministers.

Vatican Cardinals Ottaviani and Bacci, in their famous Letter to Pope Paul VI on June 5, 1969, (that accompanied the Critical Study) rightly warned that the New Mass “represents both in its whole and in its details a striking departure from the theology of the Mass as it was formulated by Session XXII of the Council of Trent. The ‘canons’ of the rite definitively fixed at that time erected an insurmountable barrier against any heresy which might attack the integrity of the Mystery.”[1]

The Critical Study of the Roman Theologians on the New Mass, otherwise known as the “Ottaviani Intervention”, spotlighted the many deficiencies inherent in the New Mass: Here are some of the defects they noted:

• A new definition of the Mass, as an ‘assembly’ rather than as a sacrifice offered to God;

• Omissions of elements emphasizing the Catholic teaching that the Mass makes satisfaction for sins, a teaching utter rejected by Protestants;

• The reduction of the priest’s role to a position approximating that of a Protestant Minister;

• Implicit denials of Christ’s Real Presence and the doctrine of Transubstantiation;

• The change of the Consecration from a sacramental action into a mere narrative retelling the story of the Last Supper;

• The fragmentation of the Church’s unity of belief through the introduction of countless options;

• Ambiguous language and equivocation through the rite which compromises the Church’s doctrine.[2]

Further:

• The Study said “It is obvious that the Novus Ordo obsessively emphasizes ‘supper’ and ‘memorial,’ instead of the unbloody renewal of the Sacrifice of the Cross.[3]

• The Study points out that in the New Mass, “the central role of the Real Presence has been suppressed”.[4]

• The Study accurately noted that the New Mass “has much to gladden the heart of the most modernist Protestant”.[5]

Mind you, as I have stressed many times throughout the years, this is a critique of the New Mass in the original Latin – in it’s “purest form” – as it was originally released by Paul VI in 1969. The other abuses and bad translations came later. The Critical Study didn’t even talk about these, though the Study could foresee these aberrations. Thus the new “more accurate” English translation of this New Mass, over which there is now much rejoicing, will serve little to repair the flawed Rite itself.

The New Mass – at its best – is not really a Catholic liturgy. It was not made for the worship of God that is His due, but was constructed for the sake of a modernist ecuмenism that is contrary to reason, and that has always been condemned by the Catholic Church.[6] As early as 1933, St. Maximillion Kolbe rightly declared, “Ecuмenism is the enemy of the Immaculata”[7] – the enemy of Our Lady herself!

The reason I never attend the New Mass has never been the question of validity: is the consecration valid or not? To me, that’s not the issue. The reason I only attend the Tridentine Mass and never the New is because the New Mass is not really a Catholic form of worship. It is at its best – in its purest form – a modernist and Protestantized liturgy constructed to serve the false gods of liberalism and ecuмenism.

And it is the architects of the Mass who have told us this.

Archbishop Annibale Bugnini admitted, “We must strip from our Catholic prayers and from the Catholic liturgy everything which can be a shadow of a stumbling block for our separated brethren, that is, for the Protestants.”[8]

Likewise, Journalist Jean Guitton, a close friend and confident of Pope Paul VI, confirmed that its was the direct aim of the Pope to protestantize the liturgy. In a radio interview in the 1990s, Guitton said:

“The intention of Paul VI with regard to what is commonly called the Mass, was to reform the Catholic liturgy in such a way that it should almost coincide with the Protestant liturgy – but was is curious is that Paul VI did that to get as close as possible to the Protestant Lord’s supper… there was with Paul VI an ecuмenical intention to remove, or at least to correct, or at least to relax, what was too catholic, in the traditional sense, and, I repeat, to get the Catholic Mass closer to the Calvinist Mass.”[9]
Thus we better understand why Cardinal Ottaviani and the Roman Theologians say in the Critical Study:

“It is obvious that the New Order of Mass has no intention of presenting the Faith taught by the Council of Trent. But it is to this Faith that the Catholic conscience is bound forever. Thus, the promulgation of the New Order of Mass, the true Catholic is faced with a tragic need to choose.”[10]
Many of us choose to have nothing to do with this New Mass because it is not truly a Catholic form of worship.

After observing the Novus Ordo Mass this morning, I shook off the dead weight of its proceedings and drove directly to attend the Latin Tridentine Mass at Our Lady of the Rosary in South Buffalo.  Here was the sanity, orthodoxy and Catholicity of true worship. Here the true Mass was celebrated, a gift from God for which this day I was especially grateful.

 

 Notes:

[1] The Ottaviani Intervention: Short Critical Study of the New Order of Mass, [Rockford: TAN, 1992], p. 27.

[2] Summery from The Ottaviani Intervention, p. 4.

[3] Ibid., p. 35.

[4] Ibid., p. 40.

[5] Ibid., p. 33.

[6] For a summary of the Catholic Church’s perennial teaching against modern ecuмenism, see the magnificent encyclical of Pope Pius XI, Mortalium Animos, “On Fostering True Christian Unity”, January 6, 1928.

[7] The mission St. Maximilian entrusted to his Knights of the Immaculata was that of converting the whole world to the Catholic Church. He said, “Only until all schismatics and Protestants profess the Catholic Creed with conviction, when all Jєωs voluntarily ask for Holy Baptism – only then will the Immaculata have reached its goals.”    “… In other words” Saint Maximilian insisted, “there is no greater enemy of the Immaculata and her Knighthood than today’s ecuмenism, which every Knight must not only fight against, but also neutralize through diametrically opposed action and ultimately destroy. We must realize the goal of the Militia Immaculata as quickly as possible: that is, to conquer the whole world, and every individual soul which exists today or will exist until the end of the world, for the Immaculata, and through her for the Most Sacred Heart of Jesus.” From Rycerz Niopokalenz, 4 (1922), p. 78. And Entry of Diary dated April 23, 1933. Cited from The Immaculata Our Ideal, Father Karl Stehlin [Warsaw: Te Deum, 2005], p.3

[8] L’Osservatore Romano, March 19, 1965.

[9] Quoted from Michael McGrade, “Redemptionis Sacramentum, DOA, RIP”, Christian Order, August, September, 2004 (emphasis added).

[10] The Ottaviani Intervention, p. 53.


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  • I love John Vennari, and I am grateful that you posted this.  

    It's the Communion in the hand and ladies giving it out which has always caused me sense of genuine terror.


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    One thing was immediately evident: the new translation may have somewhat improved the language, it has done nothing to improve the Novus Ordo atmosphere. It is still the same New Mass with its banality, slovenliness and limp vestments. It is still a liturgy that appears to be drained of nobility and genuine reverence. It is still a liturgy that transforms the sanctuary into a high-traffic area of concelebrants, Eucharistic ministers, lay-lectors and music ministry.

    ...There is no real sense that much has changed. This was especially evident when I saw the three Eucharistic ministers (one male, two female) receive Communion in the hand from the old pastor before they branched out to offer Communion under both kinds to the congregation. Many parishioners received in the hand. Two men walked up the center aisle to Communion side-by-side chatting with each other.


    I've always said: if the NOM had been done in Latin, facing God, and without all the atmosphere changes (banality, slovenliness, limp vestments, table,  concelebrants, Eucharistic ministers, lay-lectors and music ministry), that no one would have noticed a change to make a big deal about, and there would not be one Latin Mass Trad today.

    BUT

    that was not the intention of imposing the NOM. The reason was to change the mass into everything that it has been for 40+ years now, and will still be after these minor changes. Thank God, that it is what it is, obviuosly not Catholic, or else there would be no real mass left today. The worse the NO gets the quicker the people of good will, will see.
    "Wrong is wrong even if everyone is doing it.
     Right is right even if no one is doing it." - Saint Augustine

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  • St. Jude, who, disregarding the threats of the impious, courageously preached the doctrine of Christ,
    pray for us.

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    I love John Vennari, and I am grateful that you posted this.  

    It's the Communion in the hand and ladies giving it out which has always caused me sense of genuine terror.


    I heartily agree.

    And yet the Mass of Pope Paul VI is still a valid Rite despite its heavy Protestantization.

    Oh, and don;t forgte the addition of those prayers from a 12th century Jєωιѕн Seder. The Mass of Pope Paul VI is beyond Protestantized.

    And yet the Mass of Pope Paul VI is still a valid Rite.
    Multiculturalism exchanges honest ignorance for the illusion of truth.

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  • The New Mess is a Pig.

    The Vatican Bandits just smeared a little lipstick on it to make it more appealing to the poor animals in the farmyard -- the misled sheep of the novus-ordo-religion. They also have opened the farmgate in an effort to entice other sheep back to the Lipsticked Pig.

    The Pig is still an invalid Mess.

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  • The article fails to point out that the Mass Ottaviani and Bacci criticized in their study WAS NOT the final promulgated 1969 Missal of Paul VI.  Their study was submitted to the Pope. The Pope actually made some changes based on their study and then issued the Mass of '69. Apparently the CDF did not agree with most of it.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_of_Paul_VI#Criticism_of_the_revision

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    Paul VI asked the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, the department of the Roman Curia that Ottaviani had earlier headed, to examine the Short Critical Study. It responded on 12 November 1969 that the docuмent contained many affirmations that were "superficial, exaggerated, inexact, emotional and false".[13] However, some of its observations were taken into account in preparing the definitive version of the new Order of the Mass.



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    The article fails to point out that the Mass Ottaviani and Bacci criticized in their study WAS NOT the final promulgated 1969 Missal of Paul VI.


    It's the Bogus Ordo either way, and the final version still sucked.

    And Wikipedia isn't exactly the wisest source to use when attempting to back up your stance, considering anyone can edit it.
    Please ignore ALL of my posts. I was naive during my time posting on this forum and didn’t know any better. I retract and deeply regret any and all uncharitable or erroneous statements I ever made here.

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    I visited a local parish church this morning for the purpose of observation. I wanted to see and hear the new translation, and take note of parishioners’ reactions.


    So does this mean it is morally permissible for us to attend "non-Catholic" services for purposes of "observation"?

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    It is still the same New Mass with its banality, slovenliness and limp vestments. It is still a liturgy that appears to be drained of nobility and genuine reverence. It is still a liturgy that transforms the sanctuary into a high-traffic area of concelebrants, Eucharistic ministers, lay-lectors and music ministry.


    While this is true of many NO Masses, the NO Mass can be said with fiddle-backs, incense, ad orientam, altar rails, male only altar servers, no lay readers or EM's, and Gregorian Chant. Thus his beef is with the optional derivations of his local parish and not the Mass of Paul VI itself.

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    1) “Don’t criticize a man until you’ve walked a mile in his shoes. That way, he won’t hear your criticism from a mile away, and you’ll at least have his shoes.”

    2) “The principle ‘If at first you don’t succeed, try again,’ does not apply to sky diving.”

     Thanks, Father.


    I admit this was pretty funny.  :laugh1:

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    As for the new translation, it is simply a cleaner translation of a Protestantized rite – of the New Mass that was written with the help of six Protestant ministers.


    Is there any proof the six Protestant observers had any official decision making role in the Mass?

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    The Critical Study of the Roman Theologians on the New Mass, otherwise known as the “Ottaviani Intervention”, spotlighted the many deficiencies inherent in the New Mass: Here are some of the defects they noted:

    • A new definition of the Mass, as an ‘assembly’ rather than as a sacrifice offered to God;


    The CCC and the current NO Missal define the Mass as a sacrifice.

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    • Omissions of elements emphasizing the Catholic teaching that the Mass makes satisfaction for sins, a teaching utter rejected by Protestants;


    Which elements?

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    • The reduction of the priest’s role to a position approximating that of a Protestant Minister;


    Protestant ministers recite words of consecration and confect the Eucharist?

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    • Implicit denials of Christ’s Real Presence and the doctrine of Transubstantiation;


    Where?

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    • The change of the Consecration from a sacramental action into a mere narrative retelling the story of the Last Supper;


    The consecration is a sacramental action, doesn't matter that it is within a narrative.

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    • The fragmentation of the Church’s unity of belief through the introduction of countless options;


    Valid criticism, but doesn't make the Mass evil.

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    • Ambiguous language and equivocation through the rite which compromises the Church’s doctrine.[2]


    There is less precise language but it does not compromise the Church's doctrine at all as it all must be read in a Catholic sense.

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    • The Study said “It is obvious that the Novus Ordo obsessively emphasizes ‘supper’ and ‘memorial,’ instead of the unbloody renewal of the Sacrifice of the Cross.[3]


    How so?

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    • The Study points out that in the New Mass, “the central role of the Real Presence has been suppressed”.[4]


    How so?

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    • The Study accurately noted that the New Mass “has much to gladden the heart of the most modernist Protestant”.[5]


    Protestants believe the Body and Blood of Our Lord Jesus Christ is confected at Mass, as the NO says?

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    Mind you, as I have stressed many times throughout the years, this is a critique of the New Mass in the original Latin – in it’s “purest form” – as it was originally released by Paul VI in 1969.


    Wrong! Vennari needs to check his facts as this is easily shown to be false. The study critiqued the experimental version before the '69 Mass was promulgated.

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    The New Mass – at its best – is not really a Catholic liturgy. It was not made for the worship of God that is His due, but was constructed for the sake of a modernist ecuмenism that is contrary to reason, and that has always been condemned by the Catholic Church.


    So a Mass given to us and approved by a Pope and the CDF is not a Catholic liturgy? And Mr. Vennari gets the authority to declare this from where? How does he know why it was constructed? The Mass will always be the worship of God. It is impossible for the Catholic Church to approve a non Catholic Rite.

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    Archbishop Annibale Bugnini admitted, “We must strip from our Catholic prayers and from the Catholic liturgy everything which can be a shadow of a stumbling block for our separated brethren, that is, for the Protestants.”[8]


    Why doesn't he ever produce the rest of this docuмent so we can read it in context?

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    Likewise, Journalist Jean Guitton, a close friend and confident of Pope Paul VI, confirmed that its was the direct aim of the Pope to protestantize the liturgy. In a radio interview in the 1990s, Guitton said:

    “The intention of Paul VI with regard to what is commonly called the Mass, was to reform the Catholic liturgy in such a way that it should almost coincide with the Protestant liturgy – but was is curious is that Paul VI did that to get as close as possible to the Protestant Lord’s supper… there was with Paul VI an ecuмenical intention to remove, or at least to correct, or at least to relax, what was too catholic, in the traditional sense, and, I repeat, to get the Catholic Mass closer to the Calvinist Mass.”[9]


    Guitton's opinion.

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    The article fails to point out that the Mass Ottaviani and Bacci criticized in their study WAS NOT the final promulgated 1969 Missal of Paul VI.


    It's the Bogus Ordo either way, and the final version still sucked.


    Stunning rebuttal.  :rolleyes:

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    And Wikipedia isn't exactly the wisest source to use when attempting to back up your stance, considering anyone can edit it.


    Anyone can edit it, but they can't manufacture sources. The source is cited and I've heard the exact same thing elsewhere. It is an historical fact. The Critical Study was written before the '69 Mass was promulgated.


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    So does this mean it is morally permissible for us to attend "non-Catholic" services for purposes of "observation"?


    The NO labels itself Catholic, so it's slightly different scenario I suppose. Though really, you're using a straw-man argument. He never said it was ok to attend non-Catholic services.

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    While this is true of many NO Masses, the NO Mass can be said with fiddle-backs, incense, ad orientam, altar rails, male only altar servers, no lay readers or EM's, and Gregorian Chant. Thus his beef is with the optional derivations of his local parish and not the Mass of Paul VI itself.


    The "Mass" of Paul VI abolished almost all of those things you have listed.

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    I admit this was pretty funny.


    First of all I thought the joke was cheesey (typical from the Bogus Ordo anyway), and secondly you aren't supposed to be telling jokes at Mass. It's Church for crying out loud, not a comedy club. The NO has almost completely turned the celebrator into nothing but a stage actor.

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    Is there any proof the six Protestant observers had any official decision making role in the Mass?


    Yes, there is proof.

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    The CCC and the current NO Missal define the Mass as a sacrifice.


    The NO represents a meal (the Last Supper to be exact). They can define it as a sacrifice all they want. But everyone touching the Eucharist as if it's a potato chip and drinking from the Chalice isn't exactly the best way to make a sacrifice. It comes off as a meal.

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    The consecration is a sacramental action, doesn't matter that it is within a narrative.


    So it's fine if Mass is a narrative of the Last Supper when it's supposed to be an un-bloody re-enactment of Christ's Death on the Cross?

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    So a Mass given to us and approved by a Pope and the CDF is not a Catholic liturgy? And Mr. Vennari gets the authority to declare this from where? How does he know why it was constructed? The Mass will always be the worship of God. It is impossible for the Catholic Church to approve a non Catholic Rite.


    Exactly why, when one looks at this fact, one must either accept Vatican II and the NO or say that Vatican II and its "popes" are frauds. The Church could not possibly approve a sacreligious liturgy such as the NO.

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    Why doesn't he ever produce the rest of this docuмent so we can read it in context?


    What else is there to read? He means exactly what he says, Santo. The meaning is very clear. Anyone who can't understand doesn't have good reading comprehension. And it's not John Vennari who doesn't produce "the full docuмent" of Bugnini's quote. No one has cited what Bugnini said before or after that, though it hardly matters.

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    Guitton's opinion.


    Really? A man who was a close friend of his and yet that was just his opinion? If I state a fact about a close friend or family member of mine, one that I know personally, would it make sense to say it's "just my opinion"? Come on Santo. You take drastic measures to defend anything and everything about Vatican II and its "popes".
    Please ignore ALL of my posts. I was naive during my time posting on this forum and didn’t know any better. I retract and deeply regret any and all uncharitable or erroneous statements I ever made here.

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    « Reply #12 on: December 01, 2011, 09:26:17 PM »
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  • Quote from: Santo Subito
    Anyone can edit it, but they can't manufacture sources. The source is cited and I've heard the exact same thing elsewhere. It is an historical fact. The Critical Study was written before the '69 Mass was promulgated.


    I'm not denying that Santo, but my point was that in order to become more credible, you need to use more credible sources.
    Please ignore ALL of my posts. I was naive during my time posting on this forum and didn’t know any better. I retract and deeply regret any and all uncharitable or erroneous statements I ever made here.

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  • What makes a Mass valid? What has the Church actually taught in Her official capacity as to what makes a Mass valid?
    Multiculturalism exchanges honest ignorance for the illusion of truth.

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  • Isn't any sacrament required to have Matter, Form and Intent? With all sacraments, apart from baptism, a validly ordained priest is also required.