Author Topic: The New English Liturgy- A Cleaner Translation of a Protestantized Rite (Read 4058 times)

s2srea · « **Reply #20 on:** December 02, 2011, 08:22:08 AM »

Quote from: pax

...but my question was not irrelevant

Nor was mine :wink:

Quote

Do you hold the Mass of Pope Paul VI to be valid?

I'm not a theologian, I don't know; I don't care either, because its not Catholic.

Quote

Do you occasionally serve at the Mass of Pope Paul VI?

Never- I'm a Roman Catholic.

Quote

Do you know what an act of schism is?

Yes. Do you know what Epikeia is?

pax · « **Reply #21 on:** December 02, 2011, 08:38:44 AM »

Quote from: s2srea

Quote from: pax
Do you hold the Mass of Pope Paul VI to be valid?

I'm not a theologian, I don't know; I don't care either, because its not Catholic.

translation: no, you do not hold the Mass of Pope Paul VI to be valid.

Quote

Quote
Do you occasionally serve at the Mass of Pope Paul VI?

Never- I'm a Roman Catholic.

Um.....no. Roman Catholics are subject to the Roman Pontiff.

Quote

Quote
Do you know what an act of schism is?

Yes. Do you know what Epikeia is?

Had to look it up, so, yes, now I do.

Do you not see yourself as in schism?

ServusSpiritusSancti · « **Reply #22 on:** December 02, 2011, 12:12:10 PM »

Sorry, but Paul VI was not a true Pope. As for the NO, I think it is valid as long as the priest offering it has the proper intentions. But as Archbishop LeFebvre said, validity should not be one's prerequisite. The NO isn't Catholic either way. A Mass established by Freemasons to please the Protestants cannot be Catholic.

s2srea · « **Reply #23 on:** December 02, 2011, 12:19:10 PM »

Quote from: pax

translation: no, you do not hold the Mass of Pope Paul VI to be valid.

You're really a funny fellow. I didn't say that. I'm just pointing out its not a Catholic Rite, but a protestant one. The Eastern Schismatics aren't catholic, but they are valid; Lutherans- not so much. Again, I'm not a theologian. I'm an agnostic in this matter, since I've not studied enough to tell. I won't say "yes" or "no", and pretend, to make myself feel better.

Quote

Um.....no. Roman Catholics are subject to the Roman Pontiff.

Insofar as he remains true to the Faith, right?

Do you think its plausible for the Roman Pontiff to error?

Quote

Do you not see yourself as in schism?

Funny question, what do you think?

LordPhan · « **Reply #24 on:** December 02, 2011, 12:26:19 PM »

Quote from: pax

Quote from: s2srea
@Pax- Why would the Church feel the need to change the Mass?

The answer to that question is totally irrelevant as to what makes a Mass valid.

You not particularly liking a certain Rite of the Church is not enough to invalidate the Rite.

If the Mass of Pope Paul VI is invalid then please state the reasons why.

The Russian Schismatic Mass has always been held as Valid but Illicit, it is Valid(It is a Mass) but it is illicit, sinful to attend.