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The Jim Crow laws enshrined treating people differently becasue of race, There were intended to defend a culture, as you say, but it was a thoroughly racist culture dedicated to maintaining and protecting white privilege.  How is this even debatable?

That kind of thinking seems to have come out of Critical Theory, a school of thought advanced by The Frankfurt School (a bunch of communist and mostly Jєωιѕн intellectuals who left nαzι germany and set up shop in new york, with support from the highest levels of government and academia here in the united states).  They are credited with bringing about the intellectual basis for the cultural revolution in The West, most infamously characterized by the sɛҳuąƖ revolution, but also responsible for the widely held belief that Catholicism was at its heart a racist, sexist, homophobic and anti-semitic religion, that spawned fascism and hence, should be dealt with as harshly and decisively as nαzι germany had been dealt with.  

Okay, then please explain to me how the society protected and advanced by Jim Crow laws is reconcilable with Catholicism.

As I understand it, you're talking about a culture that promoted racial/ethnic  segregation.  That does not seem inconsistent with catholic tradition, orthodox tradition or even protestant traditions in the west.  However, it does seem to be  contradicted by modern churches, but of course, those churches are trying to survive in a culture that is in the throws of a revolution that appears to be "terminal."  

It seem reasonable to conclude that the commandment, "honor thy father and mother," would include our ancestors.  Although, to modern people who are so disconnected from their extended families, it isn't surprising that they are so easily convinced those things "don't matter."  

Paul acknowledged his racial/ethnic background.

Mixing everyone together seems to be punished in the genesis story of the tower of babel.  

The bible claims that God set the boundaries of the nations (that terms seems to consistently refer to groups tied by blood, not lines drawn on a map).  

Racial/ethnic biological differentiation seems to be a natural process and hence, to be something that God engineered into human biology, not something that we invented by some sort of social construction process.  Although, that does seem to be a matter of degrees, not all or nothing.  

Europe, under well over a thousand years of catholic cultural dominance, appeared to be organized along racial/ethnic lines.  Even the magisterium of the roman catholic church, maintained a seemingly strict blood requirement for admission to the highest levels of authority, until fairly recent times.  

" In a recent docuмent, the bishops of the Russian Orthodox Church affirm both the universality and particularity of every Christian: “The universal nature of the Church, however, does not mean that Christians should have no right to national identity and national self-expressions.” Rather, they urge Christians to develop “national Christian cultures.”"

" Protestant reformer John Calvin affirmed the necessity and goodness of the national division of mankind: “Just as there are in a military camp separate lines for each platoon and section, men are placed on the earth so that each nation may be content with its own boundaries.” In this manner, “God, by his providence reduces to order that which is confused” (Quoted in William J. Bouwsma, John Calvin: A Sixteenth Century Portrait; New York: Oxford University Press, 1988, p. 35)."

http://www.amren.com/ar/2001/07/

This article, while condemning it, seems to affirm that catholics wanted and got racial segregation, up until recent times.  

http://www.catholiccommonground.org/racial-healing-parish-level

And finally, here a modern pope apologizes for a history of what he calls catholic racism:

"Pope John Paul II begged God’s forgiveness for several sins the church condoned, including racism."

http://racerelations.about.com/od/historyofracerelations/a/How-Four-Christian-Denominations-In-The-U-S-Atoned-For-Racism.htm

There is a huge difference between saying that people have a right to a natinoal identity and encouraging pride in one's ethnicity and saying that people of different races should not be allowed to live next to each other or go to the same schools or restuarants.  I married  someone of a different race.  SHoul I have been prohibited by law from doing this?

Right, so you want it to be all libertarian (in other words, everybody can do whatever they want), but of course, you don't want them to discriminate against you doing what you wanted to do.  How do you think that's going to result in anything other than what we've already got now (a culture that pretends race/ethnicity doesn't matter and hence, makes no effort to protect it)?  And what kind of example do you think you set for others?  If people want to preserve their race/ethnic group, do you think they'd want their kids growing up around your family in their church?  I don't know if they'd want that kind of role model for their children.  So yeah, I think it probably should be illegal, if it's worth protecting and of course I think it is, but obviously you don't.  

What kind of example do I set for others?  Well, my mixed race marriage produced four children who are all very serius Catholics and who wokr hard to advance the reign of Christ, starting with their children.  One ofthem is a priest.  All of them make the world a better place.  So, I would say my example is pretty good.

I'm not suggesting that anyone here hate you for having your family how it is. I just think that we (Americans) need to start taking measures to limit these types of relationships/marriages. A great start would be illegal immigration.