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Traditional Catholic Faith => General Discussion => Topic started by: sedetrad on July 14, 2012, 06:10:02 PM
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I get it! As a secular ethnic Jєωιѕн convert to the true faith, I understand the animosity felt toward Jєωιѕн followers of the тαℓмυd and the Kabbalah. I will give you some background. As a child, I was raised without any faith. I was not exposed to kabbalah or the тαℓмυd. My ethnic secular Jєωιѕн friends were also not exposed to these writings. I made friends with people of varying ethnicities as a child. I did not care about their religious faith and neither did my parents. Frankly, the Jєωιѕн American secular diaspora knows little about the above subjects. I understand that тαℓмυdic Jєωs helped in the destruction of Christendom. What I do not understand is why traditional Catholics seem to forget their fellow “white” Catholics and Protestants that sold them down the river. They point out the Jєω constantly, but forget their brothers that profited greatly at their demise. The тαℓмυdic Jєω would never have gained any power over white Christians if his white Christian brothers had not allowed it.
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You are correct about the cowardice of white Christians, Catholic and Protestant.
However I also realize that the true power in this country is that of the Jєωιѕн power. Just think if you will when there were plans for a convent near one of the cσncєnтrαтισn cαмρs, and the Catholic clergy immediately backed down and showed cowardice because of the complaints of U.S. Jєωry.
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convent near one of the cσncєnтrαтισn cαмρs, and the Catholic clergy immediately backed down and showed cowardice because of the complaints of U.S. Jєωry.
Honestly, if the above is true then I am sickened for those that did not receive the true faith due to the cowardice of US Catholic clergy. I will be the first to admit that the only true freedom for followers of тαℓмυdic Jєωry is the Catholic faith. Michael Hoffman, a SSPX Catholic, elucidates the above understanding very eloquently. He also holds in contempt his fellow Catholics that constantly scream Jєω without looking at the millions of traitors in their own ranks.
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And who denies that Jєωs run America? Very few, least of all me, but there are saints who wrote against the Jєωs, I don't need a pagan like Hitler to tell me anything, nor do I think you can beat the devil by playing his own game...
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need a pagan like Hitler
Thank you for this true statement.
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And who denies that Jєωs run America? Very few, least of all me, but there are saints who wrote against the Jєωs, I don't need a pagan like Hitler to tell me anything, nor do I think you can beat the devil by playing his own game...
Uh who here has advocated for Hitler?
I am just speaking a few truths here.
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without looking at the millions of traitors in their own ranks.
The biggest traitors are those pro-abortion politicians, our 'Catholic' colleges and universities, and the Catholic clergy.
As for screaming 'Jєω' well remember if you will the ADL's reaction to the Passion of the Christ. Does not Abe Foxman need to know the True Faith even if he shows malice to it?
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I am new to this study of what the Judaic subversion has done to the West. However, I believe you are right. Without the compliance of Martin Luther, Johannes Reuchlin, Thomas Muenzer, John Huss, Julian the Apostate, other apostate priests and every Catholic-in-name-only lord and prince between and after, the subversion would not have taken such root.
Yet, I cannot help but conclude from all media that crosses me that white Christians are blamed disproportionally to all other groups.
Now, I'll grant you that of the whites, I basically see three groups. One, is the very small group of Catholic believers in the West. The second is the carnal-minded Caucasians with barbaric tendencies who only live for pleasure and vice. The third is cowards who are utterly fooled by evil every time, and promote the spread of evil.
I think that the primary frustration is that the white Catholics feel and are quite literally outnumbered and outgunned at this point. And with a mass media continuously pounding the war drum for the white Christian's defeat, it tends to make the smallest of the three groups quite defensive.
This is my perspective I've gained thus far in what I've been reading since February.
Thumbs up to you, for I agree with you.
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Seeing as we have admitted Jєω converts to the Faith Here on this forum, I will advcate FOR Hitler, FOR Germany, for the third Reich.
Hitler was a baptised Catholic, His parents Catholics buried with Rites, and 40% of the SS were Catholics.
They proudly fought IN DEFENSE, for their Homeland, For Christianity and Catholicism, For Their Race, and for each other.
If Bolshevik Russia declared war on Africa, Africans would also be fighting or their race, or Japan for theirs, that matter.
Germanys war Was Defensive, few here wish to acknowledge THIS Fact.
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I don't need a pagan like Hitler to tell me anything, nor do I think you can beat the devil by playing his own game...
Where is this crap coming from? Are you still making arguments from another thread? Can't you organize your thoughts enough to stay on topic, or must you transform this thread into a hydra of many heads?
If you have a quarrel with someone mentioning something Hitler did, take it to that thread. It wasn't even mentioned here!
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Uh I believe Japan actually did see a threat with Russia. They remembered the Russo-Japenese War and saw with forboding a powerful Soviet Empire coming into effect. By taking Japan out America now had to do the fighting against Koreans, Vietnemese, and Chinese that Japenese boys would have done themselves.
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Seeing as we have admitted Jєω converts to the Faith Here on this forum, I will advcate FOR Hitler, FOR Germany, for the third Reich.
Hitler was a baptised Catholic, His parents Catholics buried with Rites, and 40% of the SS were Catholics.
They proudly fought IN DEFENSE, for their Homeland, For Christianity and Catholicism, For Their Race, and for each other.
If Bolshevik Russia declared war on Africa, Africans would also be fighting or their race, or Japan for theirs, that matter.
Germanys war Was Defensive, few here wish to acknowledge THIS Fact.
Aye-yaye-yaye. I tried.
Interesting points, I think. But are we to now talk about Hitler in this thread? I thought it was a thread acknowledging the co-conspiracy of Judaic suberters with white Christian traitors.
Uh I believe Japan actually did see a threat with Russia. They remembered the Russo-Japenese War and saw with forboding a powerful Soviet Empire coming into effect. By taking Japan out America now had to do the fighting against Koreans, Vietnemese, and Chinese that Japenese boys would have done themselves.
Japan's role in WWII? Again? Hasn't this been covered ad nauseum?
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Not by me I don't think but I think this topic has really already been answered...
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I thought it was a thread acknowledging the co-conspiracy of Judaic suberters with white Christian traitors.
The above was my intent. Please keep the Hitler worship out of the thread.
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Well what is the question you wanted answered?
I acknowledged cowardly Catholics: "The traitors are Catholic clergy, the 'Catholic' universities and colleges, and our pro-abortion Catholic politicians."
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(http://www.biblestudysite.com/judea%20declares%20war%20-800px.jpg)
Is a Headline worth 1000 words?
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I was hoping this thread would prompt a discussion of the best practical response for the conversion of тαℓмυdic Jєωry.
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...for the conversion of тαℓмυdic Jєωry.
Well that would first require some backbone of Catholics would it not?
I see none, especially in our clergy. I mean the ADL went all over the Passion of the Christ as some anti-Semetic movie.
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I was hoping this thread would prompt a discussion of the best practical response for the conversion of тαℓмυdic Jєωry.
I had a friend that has tried time and again to domesticate rattlesnakes..alot of people said it couldnt be done.
Notice I said HAD as in past tense.
(http://www.azpest.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/Tucson-snake-removal.jpg)
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Trying to steer the ship back towards the OP, I found it very interesting in E. Michael Jones' book: The Jєωιѕн Revolutionary Spirit, that Jєωιѕн interests were involved in the heresies that churned and fomented the "Reformation." The Hussite Revolution alone was a fascinating read.
To think, Czechoslovakian peasants were spreading heretical mania throughout Europe as far back as the 1420s. The entire fever laid the groundwork for Luther and his willing gang of lords and princes to abandon the Faith and lead the Continent into darkness.
Of course, Jєωs were present amidst all of the heresy. Here's a bit from page 268 (which I read today):
"The Jєωs became spies and propagandists for the Reformers, traffiking in corrupted translations of the Bible taken from Jєωιѕн scriptures:
"The most active intelligencers, liaison officers and propagandists of this international army were Jєωs. Only four years after Luther's first outburst, Cardinal Alexander, papal nuncio, reported that Jєωs were printing and circulating the German monk's books in Flanders. From the Netherlands they sent bibles even to Spain, concealed in double-bottomed wine-casks. In Ferrara, a great Jєωιѕн financial center, they printed heretical bibles for distribution in Italy and elsewhere. No less a person than Carranza, no languishing in the prisons of the Inquisition in Spain, said that this was the reason why the Church had to discourage the reading of the Bible in the vernacular, saving in approved versions. Even Jєωιѕн physicians and men of business were spies and propaganda agents. In the very year after Philip returned to Spain to stamp out Protestantism there, the Jєωιѕн Doctor Rodrigo Lopez, who was to find so unhappy an end in England, was passing over from Antwerp to London as a good Protestant."
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Trying to steer the ship back towards the OP, I found it very interesting in E. Michael Jones' book: The Jєωιѕн Revolutionary Spirit, that Jєωιѕн interests were involved in the heresies that churned and fomented the "Reformation." The Hussite Revolution alone was a fascinating read.
He is a solid historian. My only disagreement with Mr. Jones is his viewpoint on traditional Catholicism. He is very much a conservative novus ordo Catholic.
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Well Judaism is a false religion no doubt about that. Of course I'm not saying other religions aren't either, Islam has an odious ideology.
Remember that liberalism and neoconservatism also have many members that are Jєωιѕн.
Also you have the Jєωιѕн women starting feminism, the Jєωιѕн and Marxist Frankfurt School, along with Jєωιѕн power as it relates to our foreign policy and this country in general. In regards to the OP's question Jєωs need to not just rely on Catholics but open their minds to the True Faith, something Abe Foxman has failed to do repeatedly. I especially recommend the pre-Vatican II Good Friday Prayer for the Jєωs.
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The book you are reading is a seminal work.
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Abe Foxman
is trash.
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The book you are reading is a seminal work.
Who are you talking to?
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Unfortunately, my expertise on this subject ends around this period with Martin Luther, and no further, as I have not read enough or studied enough to know the history.
I suppose, if I were to throw a little bit more information into the discussion, we could perhaps also blame the reckless fascination of Johannes Reuchlin, John Dee, and others, whose endless pursuit of Cabalistic literature and justification for magic helped to muddle the debate against this degredation of the "Reformation."
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Unfortunately, my expertise on this subject ends around this period with Martin Luther, and no further, as I have not read enough or studied enough to know the history.
I suppose, if I were to throw a little bit more information into the discussion, we could perhaps also blame the reckless fascination of Johannes Reuchlin, John Dee, and others, whose endless pursuit of Cabalistic literature and justification for magic helped to muddle the debate against this degredation of the "Reformation."
A discussion of Mr. Dee and his work towards forming the modern British empire using the techniques he learned from the Cabala would be fascinating.
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Ive said before that I have no problem with 'ethnic Jєωs' whatever that means- all the Jєωιѕн friends I've had have been good people, and most knew nothing about Judaism either, they were not Jєωιѕн as in practicing Judaism. But I do of course pray for their conversion. My problem is with Zionists and ʝʊdɛօ-Masonic pagan owl worshippers, Jєωs or "Christians", like all our politicians who go worship at the Bohemian Grove every year. These people do know about the тαℓмυd, schulchan aruch and kaballah and believe in those things and actively seek to destroy Christianity and all other religions except their own pagan nature worship.
Real Jєωs hate Zionism too.
www.nkusa.org
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Unfortunately, my expertise on this subject ends around this period with Martin Luther, and no further, as I have not read enough or studied enough to know the history.
I suppose, if I were to throw a little bit more information into the discussion, we could perhaps also blame the reckless fascination of Johannes Reuchlin, John Dee, and others, whose endless pursuit of Cabalistic literature and justification for magic helped to muddle the debate against this degredation of the "Reformation."
A discussion of Mr. Dee and his work towards forming the modern British empire using the techniques he learned from the Cabala would be fascinating.
Yeah, John Dee is a fascinating guy. I first stumbled upon him when I was studying Angelology in the midst of a John Milton class. I'll have to dig out that book again to gain a new perspective on what the author had to say about Dee (last I read that book about Angelology [Milton and the Angels, I believe] it was probably 10 years ago.)
Unfortunately, I will not get to the chapter about John Dee in Jones' book for a few weeks. However, I'll do my best to speed up my reading to get to that chapter and advance this dialogue as soon as possible.
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convent near one of the cσncєnтrαтισn cαмρs, and the Catholic clergy immediately backed down and showed cowardice because of the complaints of U.S. Jєωry.
Honestly, if the above is true then I am sickened for those that did not receive the true faith due to the cowardice of US Catholic clergy. I will be the first to admit that the only true freedom for followers of тαℓмυdic Jєωry is the Catholic faith. Michael Hoffman, a SSPX Catholic, elucidates the above understanding very eloquently. He also holds in contempt his fellow Catholics that constantly scream Jєω without looking at the millions of traitors in their own ranks.
Yes, Hoffman is in the forefront of exposing Catholic complicity with the ѕуηαgσgυє of Satan. His latest lead article is about how Kabbalistic equivocation and "mental reservation" penetrated the Church.
Let us not forget how Bp. Fellay is abetting the ѕуηαgσgυє!
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Real Jєωs hate Zionism too.
www.nkusa.org
They also hate Non Jєωs aka Goyim, or cattle.
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I understand that тαℓмυdic Jєωs helped in the destruction of Christendom. What I do not understand is why traditional Catholics seem to forget their fellow “white” Catholics and Protestants that sold them down the river. They point out the Jєω constantly, but forget their brothers that profited greatly at their demise. The тαℓмυdic Jєω would never have gained any power over white Christians if his white Christian brothers had not allowed it.
I totally agree with this. Especially with the last sentence.
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Real Jєωs hate Zionism too.
www.nkusa.org
They also hate Non Jєωs aka Goyim, or cattle.
More importantly, being "orthodox," they hate, revile, and blaspheme Jesus Christ.
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Trying to steer the ship back towards the OP, I found it very interesting in E. Michael Jones' book: The Jєωιѕн Revolutionary Spirit, that Jєωιѕн interests were involved in the heresies that churned and fomented the "Reformation." The Hussite Revolution alone was a fascinating read.
To think, Czechoslovakian peasants were spreading heretical mania throughout Europe as far back as the 1420s. The entire fever laid the groundwork for Luther and his willing gang of lords and princes to abandon the Faith and lead the Continent into darkness.
Of course, Jєωs were present amidst all of the heresy. Here's a bit from page 268 (which I read today):
"The Jєωs became spies and propagandists for the Reformers, traffiking in corrupted translations of the Bible taken from Jєωιѕн scriptures:
Great Book..and nice plug for the book.
According to Maurice Pinay, Jєωs have been behind ALL 15 Church heresies in history.
The Only Heresy the Church could not overcome was The Protest-ant Reformation.
Jєωs were behind it as well, as mentioned.
Some people think you can tame and live/coexist beside Black Mambas..
Me?, Im not so sure.
I think Id defend myself and keep them on the defensive.
(http://churchfun.com/images/wp/snakes/6.jpg)
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More importantly, being "orthodox," they hate, revile, and blaspheme Jesus Christ.
You know I know I'm going to get in trouble for this but the same hatred that leads to hunting down nαzι war criminals was the same hatred that put Christ up on Calvary almost 2,000 years ago.
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More importantly, being "orthodox," they hate, revile, and blaspheme Jesus Christ.
You know I know I'm going to get in trouble for this but the same hatred that leads to hunting down nαzι war criminals was the same hatred that put Christ up on Calvary almost 2,000 years ago.
Our ways of life and those of the Jєωs are utterly different, and Jєωs will easily pervert the souls of simple folk to their superstition and unbelief if such folk are living in continual and intimate intercourse with them.
~ Pope Alexander III ("Ad Haec," a Decretal, cited by Benedict XIV as above, p.137).
Crucifiers of Christ ought to be held in continual subjection. ~ Pope Innocent III
When Jєωs are admitted out of pity into familiar intercourse with Christians, they repay their hosts after the fashion of the rat hidden in the sack, or the snake in the bosom, or of the burning brand in one's lap.
~ Pope Innocent III (PAC, p.137).
The Jєωιѕн people fell from the heights because of their faithlessness and condemned their Redeemer to a shameful death.
Their godlessness has assumed such forms that, for the salvation of our own people, it becomes necessary to prevent their disease.
Besides usury, through which Jєωs everywhere have sucked dry the property of impoverished Christians, they are accomplices of thieves and robbers; and the most damaging aspect of the matter is that they allure the unsuspecting through magical incantations, superstition, and witchcraft to the ѕуηαgσgυє of Satan and boast of being able to predict the future.
We have carefully investigated how this revolting sect abuses the name of Christ and how harmful they are to those whose life is threatened by their deceit.
On account of these and other serious matters, and because of the gravity of their crimes which increase day to day more and more, We order that, within 90 days, all Jєωs in our entire earthly realm of justice -- in all towns, districts, and places -- must depart these regions.
~ Pope St. Pius V (From his Bull, "The Jєωιѕн Race," Feb.26, 1569; PAC, p.648).
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Real Jєωs hate Zionism too.
www.nkusa.org
They also hate Non Jєωs aka Goyim, or cattle.
Actually, they follow Torah, not the тαℓмυd, which is where the teaching about gentiles being animals is from. The OT also has a lot of negative things to say about gentiles of course, but Jєωs like nk say things like "god doesnt want Israel to exist. He cursed us and scattered us among the nations because of our sins." Pretty honest with themselves. Plus they support Palestine, so Ill take a true Torah Jєω over a Zionist any day.
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Don't be a sucker. THEIR definition of "Torah" is VERY DIFFERENT from yours. Read what the Jєωιѕн Encyclopedia says and the following quotes I provide:
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Real Jєωs hate Zionism too.
www.nkusa.org
They also hate Non Jєωs aka Goyim, or cattle.
Actually, they follow Torah, not the тαℓмυd, which is where the teaching about gentiles being animals is from. The OT also has a lot of negative things to say about gentiles of course, but Jєωs like nk say things like "god doesnt want Israel to exist. He cursed us and scattered us among the nations because of our sins." Pretty honest with themselves. Plus they support Palestine, so Ill take a true Torah Jєω over a Zionist any day.
Theology, I repeat, don't be a sucker! Judaism has SIX definitions of "Torah."
"Jєωs don't read the Bible literally. We read it through the lens of generations of interpretations and acknowledge the evolution of human understanding of God. The тαℓмυdic image of God is vastly different from the image of God presented in the Bible." [Rabbi Laura Geller, Senior Rabbi, Temple Emanuel of Beverly Hills, California
Huffington Post | April 2, 2011]
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/rabbi-laura-geller/acts-of-god-a-Jєωιѕн-pers_b_842215.html
"This is not an uncommon impression and one finds it sometimes among Jєωs as well as Christians - that Judaism is the religion of the Hebrew Bible. It is, of course, a fallacious impression. Judaism is not the religion of the Bible." [Rabbi Ben Zion Bokser, Judaism and the Christian Predicament, New York: Alfred A. Knopf, 1967, p.59, 159]
"The Jєωιѕн religion as it is today traces its descent, without a break, through all the centuries, from the Pharisees. Their leading ideas and methods found expression in a literature of enormous extent, of which a very great deal is still in existence. The тαℓмυd is the largest and most important single member of that literature, and round it are gathered a number of Midrashim, partly legal (Halachic) and partly works of edification (Haggadic). This literature, in its oldest elements, goes back to a time before the beginning of the Common Era, and comes down into the Middle Ages. Through it all run the lines of thought which were first drawn by the Pharisees, and the study of it is essential for any real understanding of Pharisaism." [Universal Jєωιѕн Encyclopedia, Vol. 3 pg. 474]
“Pharisaism became тαℓмυdism, тαℓмυdism became Medieval Rabbinism, and Medieval Rabbinism became Modern Rabbinism. But throughout these changes of name, inevitable adaptation of custom, and adjustment of Law, the spirit of the ancient Pharisee survives unaltered.” [Rabbi Dr. Finkelstein, The Pharisees: The Sociological Background of Their Faith, The Jєωιѕн Publication Society of America (1946) p. xxi]
"The тαℓмυd is the written form of that which in the time of Jesus, was called the 'Tradition of the Elders,' and to which He makes frequent allusions." [Michael L. Rodkinson, The History of the тαℓмυd: From The Time Of Its Formation About 200 B. C. Up To The Present Time, Kessinger Publishing, LLC (June 8, 2006), ISBN-13: 978-1428631366, p.70]
“The complex of rabbinically ordained practices ... including most of the rules for the treatment of Scripture itself--do not derive from Scripture at all. Rabbinic Judaism's initial concern was with the elaboration and refinement of it's own system. Attaching the system to scripture was secondary. It therefore is misleading to depict rabbinic Judaism primarily as a consequence of an exegetical process or the organic unfolding of Scripture. Rather, rabbinic Judaism began as the work of a small, ambitious, and homogeneous group of pseudo-priests ...By the third century (A.D.) the rabbis expressed their self-conception in the ideology of "oral Torah" which held that a comprehensive body of teachings and practices (halachot) not included in Scripture had been given by God and through Moses only to the rabbinic establishment.” (Rabbi Jacob Nuesner, Rabbinic Judaism: Structure and System, pp. 31-34)
Don’t get suckered into one of the oldest rabbinical tricks, the claim that the тαℓмυd is based on "Torah." A Christian assumes that "Torah" = Pentateuch, but there's the trick. In Judaism there are at least FIVE definitions of Torah. Here's the proof:
Please note FOUR definitions of Torah in the Jєωιѕн Encyclopedia's entry on Torah:
“Originally, in order to maintain the distinction between the written Torah (see written law) and various traditional interpretations, customs and practices, the rabbis forbade the commitment to writing of the additional material. However, when it became too voluminous and chaotic conditions made oral transmission too uncertain, the ban was lifted and the material organized and transcribed in the form of the Mishnah, the тαℓмυd, and other rabbinic works. The rabbis expressed their view that 'two Torahs' were given at Sinai, a Written Torah [Torah She Bich Tav, DEFINITION #1] and an Oral Torah [Torah SheBeal Peh, DEFINITION #2] (see oral law) and that at least some of the oral traditions relating to the meaning of basic biblical concepts were as authoritative as the written text (see halakah le-mosheh mi-sinai) In a sense the Oral Torah came to be regarded as more important than the Written Torah inasmuch as the explanations and understanding of the latter depended upon the former. A third meaning of the word ‘Torah’ therefore includes elements of the Oral Torah, which are considered authoritative or deoraita ---'from the Torah.' Finally in its broadest sense, the word 'Torah' is sometimes used to refer to the entire corpus of Halacha and Aggadah, [DEFINITION #3] Written and Oral, from the Bible up to and including the latest Responsa and homiletical interpretations of the rabbis [DEFINITION #4]....” [The New Encyclopedia of Judaism, Geoffrey Wigoder editor in Chief, New York: New York University Press, 2002, ISBN 0814793996, page 778]
Please note a FIFTH definition of Torah according to Ratzinger/Benedict's favorite rabbi, “a great scholar” [Benedict XVI, Jesus of Nazareth, p.71]:
“... The rabbi constituted the projection of the divine on earth. Honor was due him more than to the scroll of the Torah, for through his learning and logic he might alter the very content of Mosaic revelation. He was Torah [DEFINITION #5], not merely because he lived by it, but because at his best he constituted as compelling an embodiment of the heavenly model as did a Torah scroll itself.” [Rabbi Jacob Neusner, “The Phenomenon of the Rabbi in Late Antiquity: II The Ritual of 'Being a Rabbi' in Later Sasanian Babylonia,” Numen, Vol.17, Fasc. 1., Feb., 1970, pp.3-4]
A SIXTH definition is the scroll treated as a totem in the ѕуηαgσgυє.
It gets worse because these “Torah” are on an ever-widening trajectory from God. Consider explicit corollaries of the great scholar's presumption that, because the rabbis are divine, they can “alter the very content of Mosaic revelation.”
“...the Babylonian тαℓмυd represents God in the flesh...” Rabbi Jacob Neusner, Rabbinic Judaism, Minneapolis MN: Augsburg Fortress, 1995. p. 62
"The Holy One, Blessed be He, speaks Torah out of the mouths of all rabbis.” Haggadah 15b
"The Bavli [Babylonian тαℓмυd] has formed the definitive statement of Judaism from the time of its closure to the present day." Rabbi Jacob Neusner, quoted by Norman F. Cantor, The Sacred Chain: A History of the Jєωs, page 112)
The occultic portion of the тαℓмυd, the Kabala, at Tikkunei Zohar 1:27b refers to the Mishnah of the тαℓмυd as “the burial place of Moses.” The reference is an apt double entendre because the тαℓмυd at Shabbat 15 teaches that it supersedes and nullifies the Old Testament, so “buries” the Pentateuch of Moses.
“Think not that I will accuse you to the Father: There is one that accuseth you, Moses, in whom you trust. For if you did believe in Moses, you would perhaps believe me also; for he wrote of me. But if you do not believe his writings, how will you believe my words?” John 5:43-47
The "tradition of the Elders" actually "buries Moses" (Tikkunei Zohar 1:27b), disparages Moses (and Isaias), places Moses in the 18th row of тαℓмυd "sage" Rabbi Akiva like a dunce in the back of the class (Menachot 22b).
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Trying to steer the ship back towards the OP, I found it very interesting in E. Michael Jones' book: The Jєωιѕн Revolutionary Spirit, that Jєωιѕн interests were involved in the heresies that churned and fomented the "Reformation." The Hussite Revolution alone was a fascinating read.
To think, Czechoslovakian peasants were spreading heretical mania throughout Europe as far back as the 1420s. The entire fever laid the groundwork for Luther and his willing gang of lords and princes to abandon the Faith and lead the Continent into darkness.
Of course, Jєωs were present amidst all of the heresy. Here's a bit from page 268 (which I read today):
"The Jєωs became spies and propagandists for the Reformers, traffiking in corrupted translations of the Bible taken from Jєωιѕн scriptures:
Great Book..and nice plug for the book.
According to Maurice Pinay, Jєωs have been behind ALL 15 Church heresies in history.
The Only Heresy the Church could not overcome was The Protest-ant Reformation.
Jєωs were behind it as well, as mentioned.
Some people think you can tame and live/coexist beside Black Mambas..
Me?, Im not so sure.
I think Id defend myself and keep them on the defensive.
(http://churchfun.com/images/wp/snakes/6.jpg)
I'm glad our Blessed Mother stomps on snakes...
Also, I have learned alot from http://mauricepinay.blogspot.com/ and Michael Hoffman.
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Holy, Mary stomp on the evil snake (satan)
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I get it! As a secular ethnic Jєωιѕн convert to the true faith, I understand the animosity felt toward Jєωιѕн followers of the тαℓмυd and the Kabbalah. I will give you some background. As a child, I was raised without any faith. I was not exposed to kabbalah or the тαℓмυd. My ethnic secular Jєωιѕн friends were also not exposed to these writings. I made friends with people of varying ethnicities as a child. I did not care about their religious faith and neither did my parents. Frankly, the Jєωιѕн American secular diaspora knows little about the above subjects. I understand that тαℓмυdic Jєωs helped in the destruction of Christendom. What I do not understand is why traditional Catholics seem to forget their fellow “white” Catholics and Protestants that sold them down the river. They point out the Jєω constantly, but forget their brothers that profited greatly at their demise. The тαℓмυdic Jєω would never have gained any power over white Christians if his white Christian brothers had not allowed it.
1. Welcome. I am always glad to see how converts from the Jєωιѕн people join the Mystical Body of Christ.
And even a traditionalist Roman Catholic (sedevacantist I presume?).....
2. The Kabbalah study takes a lifetime among Orthodox Jєωs, and even тαℓмυd study takes nearly 30 years (until age 40) to complete. In rabbinic Orthodox (nowadays 'ultra'-Orthodox) Judaism.
3. The main power is with the (Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ-imbued) secularized assimilated Jєωs of the money elite.
Not with the Haredi (ultra)orthodox rabbis who study тαℓмυd and Kabbalah. They are marginalized even in Israel, and even in Brooklyn. They do not own Goldman Sachs, the Bank of International Settlement (BIS), as the clean-shaven, assimilated secularized dynasties of the (intramarrying) Rothschilds and others do.
4. The term 'тαℓмυdic Jєω' is from 'Der Stürmer' of Julius Streicher. However, it was used in the late 19th century too, in order to attack the 'foreign' Eastern European Orthodox Jєωs, whereas western European Jєωry had very much assimilated - seemingly or - in your case - really.
5. Officially 7 million Jєωs live in the USA, in reality almost 12 million Americans are of Jєωιѕн ancestry. 5 millions are totally secularized (due to intermarriage).
6. Most Modernist theologians, modern false philosophies, come from white apostate ex-Christians (and many even from Germany which is hailed here by some neonαzι apologist pseudo-'Catholic' commentators). Modernists, leading neo-Modernists etc. etc. all were gentiles (with very few exceptions) whereas the Jєωιѕн convert priests in the Church were all very orthodox indeed.
7. Read about Eugenio Zolli (originally Israel Zoller from Lemberg/Austria (Galicia)....), the supreme rabbi of Rome and Italy, who converted in 1944 and was baptized in Feb. 1945. The Jєωιѕн community of Rome still hates the Pope Pius XII for this conversion (which was miraculous).
8. You chose your words wisely. I am a gentile, but I would have never chosen your words with the vile and vulgar antisemites' comments sometimes found here. Of course justified criticism of Zionism, usury, international world banking dynasties' global control system and theological rejection and refutation of тαℓмυdic (Orthodox) rabbinic 'Judaism' (after Christ true Judaism ended, the Temple destroyed) is allowed.
But the vulgar antisemitic hatred by some is repulsive and harmful. And you bet I am critical of Jєωιѕн persons often.
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The heresies of Marcion, the Bogumils, the Albigensians were all non-Jєωιѕн (and even anti-Jєωιѕн rabbinic).
To blame the Lutheran Revolution and upheaval on the Jєωs, is silly. Martin Luther instigated pogroms and persecution of Jєωs. He was a vile antisemitic hothead - and anti-Catholic heretic.
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To blame the Lutheran Revolution and upheaval on the Jєωs, is silly.
That was later. His views changed over time.
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That was later. His views changed over time.
Tele is correct on Martin Luther's change in viewpoint on the Jєωιѕн question as he aged.
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That was later. His views changed over time.
Tele is correct on Martin Luther's change in viewpoint on the Jєωιѕн question as he aged.
Of course he evolved, but Martin Luther and Lutheran principalities in Germany were never friends with the Jєωs, and never (onesidedly) "financed" by "the" Jєωs in any sense.
Most Jєωs had long been driven from the (later Lutheranized) now Protestant formerly Catholic German (northern and central eastern as well as Nuremberg and other imperial free cities) into Poland, Lithuania, Hungary and Italy due to High Medieval persecutions and clashes (on usury and high interest).
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Of course he evolved, but Martin Luther and Lutheran principalities in Germany were never friends with the Jєωs, and never (onesidedly) "financed" by "the" Jєωs in any sense.
I won't disagree with you. Your knowledge as a German of German history probably far surpasses my German historical knowledge.
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To blame the Lutheran Revolution and upheaval on the Jєωs, is silly. Martin Luther instigated pogroms and persecution of Jєωs. He was a vile antisemitic hothead - and anti-Catholic heretic.
I guess Isabella's Spain was anti-semetic as well since Spain chased the Moors and the Jєωs out?
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When the Jєωs came into spain, during Isabella's time, Jєωs would kill priest. So, Isabella and Fernado questioned the Pope about keeping Jєωs out of spain, and the Pope agreed.
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without looking at the millions of traitors in their own ranks.
The biggest traitors are those pro-abortion politicians, our 'Catholic' colleges and universities, and the Catholic clergy.
As for screaming 'Jєω' well remember if you will the ADL's reaction to the Passion of the Christ. Does not Abe Foxman need to know the True Faith even if he shows malice to it?
the comedienne Sarah Silverman is even worse.....
In tv, movies and hollywood and live theatre anti-catholicism is strong and growing.
and you are so right anti-Catholicism is coming from within. Take Sister Keehan of the catholic usa medical association as an example. And yet no action is taken to oust her...
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What a thread this is!
Brother-in-Christ sedetrad, you have much greater spiritual problems than you understand. Our parental heritage is always something of immense importance to Catholics, as the Commandments teach us, so your apparent simplistic denial of the importance to you of your ancestors is somewhat lacking in filial piety. Our religion does NOT ask you to be "ashamed" of your natural heritage, but you do need to be seriously aware of what it is and then make good use of it for the one true faith. Simply ignoring our parental and racial heritage won't do.
This specific issue may well be the one requiring the most compassion of any moral question in our time. Certainly from any genuine Protestant perspective the answer must be "slash, burn and pillage. Case closed." But since we are Roman Catholics, we must do much better than mere Protestants.
In my humble opinion Mr. Michael Hoffman is a gifted writer with some unfortunate Jansenist tendencies. What we should avoid is the yearning to always "blame the Catholic" and Mr. Hoffman commits the same error against Hebrew Roman Catholics that others commit against National Socialist Roman Catholics. The relevant issue in both cases is the SACRAMENTAL one of who is Catholic and who is not. We should rise above our racial passions and understand that all are one in Our Lord Jesus. Although "one" does not mean "the same"!
The great evil of the Apostasy of the Jєωs is not that the Jєωs were worthless people whose apostasy did not really matter. It is not that Jєωιѕнness is merely some sort of circus freak show only worth a good laugh. But that life were so easy. The problem is that their horrifying general apostasy deprived Roman Catholicism of its essential spiritual core and that that lost core of our religion's very soul has only been regained through various assimilations of ex-Jєωs into Catholicism by the most savage wars and conflicts that the world has ever seen. The problem is that the Apostasy of the Jєωs has led to immeasurably vast oceans and oceans of blood because Satan, their God, was a murderer from the beginning.
So the conversion of the best of the Jєωs into the one true faith is not some marginal extra that we would like to see. It is instead the very heart and soul of the progress of our holy religion down through the ages. Mr. Hoffman is dangerously mistaken about this. He imagines that the Jєωs are simply freakish desert-dwellers who need the boot, but, again, life is not so simple as that. The only true answer to what is to be done about that singularly accursed people is that they must be DEFEATED first and then either, for the best of them, converted and, for the remainder, cast out to their eternal destiny whose name is ISLAM.
Through the ages our Catholic fascination with things Hebraic is BOTH the source of every heresy (without exception!) and also the source of every advance in our religion (also without exception!!). When Our Lord has taught us that salvation is only through THE CROSS, He has not been kidding. This situation just mentioned above is the most exquisite situation of torturous compassion and courage that could very well be conceived. On the one hand we are duty-bound to fight the Jєω until the last of his heresies is obliterated, and on the other hand we are also duty-bound to carefully salvage and treasure each new mystic treasure that their conversions provide to us. The degree of divine compassion and fearless truthfulness required to do this has truly been a crucifixion of millenniums of military endurance for us.
Brother-in-Christ sedetrad, as a Jєωιѕн or Hebrew Catholic and assimilated descendant of Jєωs, MUCH has been given you and therefore VERY MUCH is expected from you. Please have no confusion about this: YOU ARE NOT AS OTHER MEN. False modesty does not become you. The "golly gosh" feigning of being the helpless insignificant little spark of the Jєωιѕн Heritage is basically horribly disingenuous of you. You are a son of the GREATEST people the world has ever seen!!! There is in truth no race like unto yours. Your challenge as an assimilated Jєωιѕн Catholic is not any lack of greatness; it is rather simply the challenge of a lack of GOODNESS. As our religion teaches us, greatness and goodness are in no way identical achievements. Very often to be great can be to be greatly EVIL.
But PLEASE spare us the false humility! Your entire duty as a Hebrew/Jєωιѕн Catholic is to learn the lonely greatness of your heritage and then APPLY it selflessly for the benefit of your fellow Catholics.
The answer for what's to be done with the Jєωs is therefore that the bulk of them, who can not and never will assimilate, should go to the lands of Islam and enjoy their true destiny there while those relatively few who can and do truly convert to the one true faith should accept their particular Cross and enrich Christendom with their own singular and incomparable spiritual treasures. Rather than "Oh golly, I'm just a helpless insignificant little ex-Jєω," Brother sedetrad, you should seize the reins of your heritage between your teeth and ride that storm of your own Indo-European heritage of Ancient Israel for all it's worth and ride furiously until you can steal some of those mystic Royal Jєωels of the House of David that are hidden somewhere deep down within you and bring them forth into the bright light of day to the great astonishment of many.
Brother sedetrad, false humility does not become you! Yes, the Precious Blood of Our Lord Jesus Christ is Indo-European Aryan blood, but even more precisely It is the Divine Blood of the ancient Hebrew Royal House of David.
Dear Brother sedetrad, if you are truly a Roman Catholic, then the Divine Blood in which we find our Salvation is YOUR blood, at least on the personal level. Whether or not you are GOOD, you are most assuredly GREAT.
And if Catholic, then VERY VERY GREAT…
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Here is God's answer to brotherfrancis75's delusional Master Race pride:
rejected Him 1 Kings 8:7
forsaken Him 1 Kings 8:8
served strange gods 1 Kings 8:8
hast not kept the commandments of the Lord 1 Kings 13:13
forsaken the commandments of God 3 Kings 18:18
mocked the messengers of God 2 Paralipomenon 36:16
despised God’s Word 2 Paralipomenon 36:16
misused the prophets 2 Paralipomenon 36:16
provoked God to wrath 2 Esdras 9:26
departed from God 2 Esdras 9:26
threw God’s law behind their backs 2 Esdras 9:26
killed the prophets, who admonished them earnestly to return to God 2 Esdras 9:26
guilty of great blasphemies 2 Esdras 9:26
forsaken the Lord Isaias 65:11
forgotten His holy mountain ( the commandments from Mt. Sinai) Isaias 65:11
didn't listen to Him Isaias 65:11
did evil Isaias 65:11
didn't answer Him Isaias 65:11
chosen the things that displease God Isaias 65:11
forsake God Jeremias 2:13
made up their own religion "that holds no water" Jeremias 2:13
had not done God's work Ezekiel 20:23
cast off His laws Ezekiel 20:23
their eyes were after the idols of their fathers Ezekiel 20:23
defiled Israel with idols Ezekiel 36:16ff
profaned His Holy Name Ezekiel 36:16ff
lying pen of the scribes wrote falsehood Jeremias 8:7ff
they all dealt deceitfully Jeremias 8:10
they voided the Covenant Jeremias 31:31-32
sacrificed to idols Jeremias 44:23
not walked in His law Jeremias 44:23
disobeyed God's commandments Jeremias 44:23
disobeyed God's Law Baruch 2:10
the people of Israel will deny the Messiah Daniel 9:25ff
no truth in Israel Osee 4:1-2
no mercy in Israel Osee 4:1-2
no knowledge of God in Israel Osee 4:1-2
sacrificed to Baalim and other idols Osee 11:2
He hates their festivities, sacrifices, and songs Amos 5:20-24
covetous in all the Israelites Amos 9:1
departed from the Law Malachias 2:8-12
made void the Covenant Malachias 2:8-12
not kept God's ways Malachias 2:8-12
despised their brothers Malachias 2:8-12
committed abominations Malachias 2:8-12
profaned the holiness of the Lord Malachias 2:8-12
married the daughter of strange gods Malachias 2:8-12
accused by Moses John 5:45-47
adversaries to all men I Thessalonians 2:14
agents of the devil John 8:44
blind Matthew 23:26
blind guides Matthew 23:16, 17, 19, 24
children of Hell Matthew 23:15
children of the devil John 8:44
crucifiers Matthew 23:34
dangerous leaven Matthew 16:6-12; Mark 8:15; Luke 12:1
defectors Matthew 15:6; Mark 7:9, 13; John 5:45, 46, 47
deicides I Thessalonians 2:14-15
dogs Matthew 7:6; Apocalypse 22:16
foolish Matthew 23:17
full of dead men's bones Matthew 23:27
haters of God John 15:24,25
hypocrites Matthew 6:2, 5; 15:7; 22:18; 23:13, 14, 15, 23, 25, 27, 28, 29; Mark 7:6; Luke 13:15
idolaters Apocalypse 22:16
iniquitous Matthew 23:28
killers of the just Matthew 23:35
killers of the prophets Matthew 23:37; I Thessalonians 2:14-15
liars John 8:44, 55; Apocalypse 3:9, 22:16
murderers Matthew 23:31; Apocalypse 22:15
offspring of vipers Luke 3:7
purveyors of fables Titus 1:13-14
serpents Matthew 23:33
sorcerers Apocalypse 22:16
swine Matthew 7:6
ѕуηαgσgυє of Satan Apocalypse 2:9, 3:9
unchaste Apocalypse 22:16
unclean Matthew 23:25
vipers Matthew 3:7; 12:34; 23:33
void the commandments of God for the traditions of men Mark 7:8-9
whited sepulchers Matthew 23:27
axe laid to the root Matthew 3:10
cast into the fire Matthew 3:10; 7:19; Luke 3:9
condemned Mark 16:16
cut down Matthew 3:10
in vain do they worship me Matthew 15:9; Mark 7:7
judgment of Hell Matthew 23:33
shall be broken Matthew 21:44
shall be ground into powder Matthew 21:44
the kingdom of God shall be taken from you Matthew 21:43
woe Matthew 23:13, 14, 15, 16, 23, 25, 27; Luke 11:42, 46, 47, 52
wrath Matthew 3:7; Luke 3:7; 21:23; St. Paul in I Thessalonians 2:16
you do not enter the kingdom of Heaven Matthew 23:13
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Suddenly there are a very large number of threads and posts that seem to apologize for Judaism. Think we have some wolves among the sheep.
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Brother sedetrad, false humility does not become you! Yes, the Precious Blood of Our Lord Jesus Christ is Indo-European Aryan blood, but even more precisely It is the Divine Blood of the ancient Hebrew Royal House of David.
The above is the same race worship pap that тαℓмυdic Judaism and nαzιsm subscribes too and is not Catholic.
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Brother sedetrad, false humility does not become you! Yes, the Precious Blood of Our Lord Jesus Christ is Indo-European Aryan blood, but even more precisely It is the Divine Blood of the ancient Hebrew Royal House of David.
The above is the same race worship pap that тαℓмυdic Judaism and nαzιsm subscribes too and is not Catholic.
Yes, despicable:
"I too, like Hitler, believe in the power of the blood idea"
Chaim Nachman Bailik, Israel’s national poet, in “The Present Hour” (1934).
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To blame the Lutheran Revolution and upheaval on the Jєωs, is silly. Martin Luther instigated pogroms and persecution of Jєωs. He was a vile antisemitic hothead - and anti-Catholic heretic.
No. Jones is not directly blaming Jєωs for the "Reformation." That was obviously hatched from the minds of the clerics in that period. But Jones' argument is that the spirit of revolution in that time is the same spirit of revolution that traces back to the revolutionary Jєωs of Christ's time. That whole idea of subversion, and destroying the Logos--the moral order that Christ instituted through Peter--it was subverted and gnawed at by revolutionaries, just as it is today by Marxists and the like.
In fact, the quotation I provided from the book is actually from Jєωιѕн scholars (I'm not near the book right now), and they actually admit to the Jєωιѕн involvement in the Lutheran Revolution, such as the printing of Bibles in the vernacular that were innacurate, forwarding money to the "right" causes, and things like that.
"The Jєωs became spies and propagandists for the Reformers, traffiking in corrupted translations of the Bible taken from Jєωιѕн scriptures:
"The most active intelligencers, liaison officers and propagandists of this international army were Jєωs. Only four years after Luther's first outburst, Cardinal Alexander, papal nuncio, reported that Jєωs were printing and circulating the German monk's books in Flanders. From the Netherlands they sent bibles even to Spain, concealed in double-bottomed wine-casks. In Ferrara, a great Jєωιѕн financial center, they printed heretical bibles for distribution in Italy and elsewhere. No less a person than Carranza, no languishing in the prisons of the Inquisition in Spain, said that this was the reason why the Church had to discourage the reading of the Bible in the vernacular, saving in approved versions. Even Jєωιѕн physicians and men of business were spies and propaganda agents. In the very year after Philip returned to Spain to stamp out Protestantism there, the Jєωιѕн Doctor Rodrigo Lopez, who was to find so unhappy an end in England, was passing over from Antwerp to London as a good Protestant."
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RE: sedetrad and Diego in their above comments.
Catholicism is above all the Covenant of the Precious Blood of Christ in which the human excellence of our blood is regenerated in the divine perfection of His blood. Grace serves to perfect rather than to destroy nature. The idea that human blood is bad and beneath our respect is the very essence of the key Protestant heresy of the alleged "radical depravity" of our human nature and blood.
Against that core Protestant heresy our holy religion teaches us that the blood of every race and of the human race in general enjoys a noble heritage of greatness and grandeur. EVEN EX-JєωS. Perhaps ironically, Jєωιѕн sedetrads' condemnation of the innate greatness of our human blood along with our human race and races indicates that he is still very far from abandoning his false Jєωιѕн egalitarianism. The fact that he shows no love for his own Jєωιѕн race and blood is a bad sign of his capacity for real Christian compassion and truth towards my own white European race and blood. Or towards the human race for that matter.
Diego's quoting from the Old Testament seems to be in support of Jansenist racial hatred against Jєωs and ex-Jєωs. The list of Biblical quotes he gives are condemnations against the disloyalty of many, or at times most, of the Ancient Hebrews, but has nothing to do with any claim that the Hebrews weren't and aren't at least among the greatest races on earth. If we are knowledgeable we will have to recognize that those Hebrew Europeans are in fact the essential element in the progress of our entire Western Civilization down through the ages, both for good and for ill.
Therefore it is important that we understand that what became of the Ancient Hebrews is all too like what has recently happened to the modern white Europeans around the world. In both cases a General Apostasy led to massive abandonment of racial filial piety with government-promoted immigration and race-mixing as ways to ensure the apostasy would endure.
This is a place to repeat that for both ex-Jєω and ex-Gentile alike, we are all one as Romans and Catholics in Christ Jesus. Our Lord, in His Humanity, is an Ancient Hebrew royal aristocrat and therefore an Indo-European or "Aryan." We should all rejoice in the perfection of his Precious Blood rather than cast aspersions against his blessed human racial identity. In Him every man can enjoy the highest human and more-than-human perfection of blood and race and surely there can be few miraculously generous mercies from God greater than that one.
If only sedetrad could show humble gratitude for his own rightly proud Hebrew heritage rather than fulminate like some low-born egalitarian Pharisee against our divine religion of the Precious Blood.
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Mr. Hoffman commits the same error against Hebrew Roman Catholics
There is no such thing as Hebrew Roman Catholics, this is more Judiazing Novus Ordo blather.
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Suddenly there are a very large number of threads and posts that seem to apologize for Judaism. Think we have some wolves among the sheep.
You've got it. They send forth the troops. Time to pull the soapbox out from under them and lock this thread. They can return to editing wiki-pedia.
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What happened is that certain posters decided to play the "nαzι" card where it was not at all justified, and it would seem the result is that there has been an influx of quasi - "nαzι" posters to feed their paranoia.
I've asked Matthew to watch out the latter.
The former group, however, tried to use the issue unjustly for leverage, seeing as they had nothing else. That was very silly on a forum like this, but it was the way they were raised - which usually tells in time.
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RE: sedetrad and Diego in their above comments. ...human excellence of our blood... Diego's quoting from the Old Testament seems to be in support of Jansenist racial hatred against Jєωs and ex-Jєωs. The list of Biblical quotes he gives are condemnations against the disloyalty of many, or at times most, of the Ancient Hebrews, but has nothing to do with any claim that the Hebrews weren't and aren't at least among the greatest races on earth. If we are knowledgeable we will have to recognize that those Hebrew Europeans are in fact the essential element in the progress of our entire Western Civilization down through the ages, both for good and for ill....
Whether you are careless, dyslexic, or malicious, I am not yet sure, but the quotes are from BOTH the Old AND the New Testament. There is nothing "Jansenist" about noticing that from BOTH sides of His Cross God Himself has condemned the guilty "Chosen People" for their repeated perfidious behavior leaving no place for Judaic Master Race pride.
"...human excellence of our blood..."??? What delusional self-worshipping (read "typically Judaic") brimstone from Hell.
Baptism, belief, grace, humility, and behavior—not race and not pride—will determine whether you, I, and any and every person are saved. You would do well to prioritize your attention accordingly.
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They can return to editing wiki-pedia.
So true and so sad. No truth inconvenient to the adversaries of all men lasts more than a few milliseconds on Wikipedia.
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@Mr. Diego,
Just the last day or so I haven't been feeling so well, and I was careless in that comment. Needless to say, as the key difference between Protestantism and Catholicism this is a difficult topic. But Catholicism does have quite a high view of human nature and therefore of our human potential and moral responsibility.
My impression of some "Jansenist tendency" is, I fear, due to my carelessness in reading your post. I did have that impression but my critical faculty while I read it wasn't up to snuff. So I must apologise to you and start over! But I must ask for your indulgence since I am having a new and unexpected health problem at this time.
Normally humans are blessed with high abilities that enable us to convert to Catholicism in the first place. And although you are quite right that among able-bodied people our human inequality has nothing to do with our salvation or lack thereof, human superiority and inferiority does have a great influence over what kind of salvation we might have and also over our degree of responsibility for what we do with any such graces. Our normal attitude (unless we truly are somehow disadvantaged) should be one of great confidence and impersonal holy pride in the great goodness of everything that God has done for us, not the feelings of self-pity and lack that are so typical of Calvinism and Jansenism.
Therefore the "Old Testament Catholics," or whatever we choose to call them, were not being singled out in your quotes for some unique blame that would pursue them even when they were in the state of grace. Even less so for our contemporary Catholic brethren of Hebrew/Jєωιѕн descent who enjoy the immense benefits of baptism and the other sacraments. So they should have the same great confidence and cheerful sense of their own heritage as every other Catholic should have for theirs.
It may be that we are talking past each other here due to my carelessness in reading your Biblical quotes. It seems we do have a theological issue here but determining exactly what it might be is of course a terribly tricky business. But if it is that you're following St. Augustine's rather gloomy views on human nature, you should appreciate that those views are allowed but quite unusual and even marginal among our Catholic theologians and among Catholics generally. The more mainstream Catholic view is and has been that our human nature has retained very many noble and excellent qualities and that therefore our wicked deeds are simply our own fault and in no way attributable to any grim gloomy "human condition" as is so often imagined these days by non-Catholics.
Of course for us that is, so to speak, both good news and bad news. It's good in that we are richly entitled as humans to be terribly confident and have a strong healthy pride in our human nature and heritage according to our own particular family connections. It is more challenging in that thereby God expects much more from us than we might prefer. In particular this makes the guilt that results from apostasy very terrible indeed, but such guilt shouldn't be blamed on our human nature, only on the free choices that apostates have freely made. I am anything but an apologist for the nightmarish Novus Ordo!
Nevertheless I am quite an apologist for our poor oppressed and abused human race! And of the various races and nationalities that compose that sad and tragic group of creatures who suffer so terribly from the envious hatred of the demons and the Pharisee Jєωs who represent them in this world. We may well feel somewhat grim and gloomy about the prospects for the demons and their apostate followers, but not for our human race itself. For OURSELVES, given the greatness of our human nature and sacraments together, we should have only the greatest confidence and strong healthy holy pride. And, in the face of Marxism, that is the most truly humble attitude we could achieve during these incredibly harsh End Times of the Apocalypse.
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Please accept my wishes that you focus on your health in all aspects. Meanwhile we will fight the devil and his ѕуηαgσgυє, including the branches in Menzingen and Rome.