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The Eyes are the Window to the Soul
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    Four Ways to Discern a Man's Soul
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    You can discern a man's soul by his face, eyes, laugh, clothing and way of walking. These are the ways to know the soul of a man taught by Fr. Cornelius a Lapide, S.J.. If you don't believe it, read these commentaries on the topic by many Saints and Catholic theologians.
    Fr. Cornelius a Lapide, S.J.


    • The attire of the body and the laughter of the teeth and the gait of the man show what he is. (Ecclesiasticus 19:27)
    "Interpreting this verse, Siracides gives four ways by which one can see, as through windows of the soul, the hidden virtues or vices, the simplicity or hypocrisy of a person.

     "The first quite clear way is the outward appearance and the expression of the face, principally the eyes. The nature of a person shows and reveals itself by the eyes. For if the lamp of the body is the eyes, why is it surprising if that lamp should reveal the body? So, when one first meets a ferocious man, his eyes seem to spread terror; when one meets a pious man, his eyes spread joy. Just as wisdom and sanctity shine in the face of the wise and the holy, (Eccles, 8:1), so also foolishness and evil darken the face of the stupid and wicked.

     "St. Ambrose (Book on Elias, chap. 10) admirably says: “The face is a witness of the thoughts and is a silent interpreter of the heart. The outward appearance is often a sign of the conscience and the unspoken words of the mind.”

     "St. Augustine (Rule for the Servants of God, at the end) says: “Do not say that you have pure souls if you have impure eyes, because impure eyes are messengers of an impure heart.”

     "The second way is the clothing or dress: overbearing apparel reveals interior pride, false dress reveals falsity; dissolute dress, dissolution; capricious apparel, capriciousness; grave clothing, gravity; sensual dress indicates and represents sensuality of spirit. Hence St. Augustine (Letter 73 to Possidium) says: “The true adornment of the Christian is not false make up, nor opulent and ostentatious dress, but rather good customs.”

     "By means of the face, dress, and dissolute customs of Julian the Apostate, St. Gregory Nazianzen discerned his hidden impiety. He refers to it (Speech 2, in Julian) with these words: “Nor does it speak of any good to me to see a man with a weak neck, stooping shoulders, a constantly agitated bearing, insolent eyes and a roving and furious gaze, unstable and tottering feet, an offensive nose breathing contempt, and an arrogant and unrestrained laugh.” After describing his dissolute soul with other similar observations, he argues: “Hence his bearing speaks clearly: What a great evil the Roman land has nourished!” ….

     "The third way is the laugh. Indeed, the sincere and regular laugh reveals a sincere, constant and open heart. The short, twisted, sardonic, and arrogant laugh reveals a narrow, twisted, fraudulent, and arrogant spirit and signifies an imbued hatred. In this respect Rabanus says that by the bearing of the body one demonstrates the quality of the will. ….

     "The fourth way is the manner of walking. The fast and precipitate way of walking is a symptom of the impulsive spirit, just as the slow step reveals slowness of spirit; the light step, lightness of spirit; the arrogant step, an arrogant spirit; the furious step, an angry spirit; and an affected or feigned step, falseness of spirit.

     "For this reason, Bede (in Proverbs) says: “The movement of the body demonstrates the habit of the mind.”

     "And St. Bernard (On the Way to Live Well, chap. 9) says: “Let your way of walking be simple, and your step honest. No shame, no sensuality, no arrogance, no insolence, no frivolity should appear in your way of walking. Indeed, the spirit shows itself in the movement of the body, the carriage of the body is a signal of the soul.”


    (Commentaria in Scripturam Sacram, Paris 1875, vol. 9, pp. 542-542)
    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi


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    Re: The Eyes are the Window to the Soul
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    You can discern a man's soul by his face, eyes, laugh, clothing and way of walking. These are the ways to know the soul of a man taught by Fr. Cornelius a Lapide, S.J.. If you don't believe it, read these commentaries on the topic by many Saints and Catholic theologians.

    Really? Tell that to the victims of serial killer & sodomite John Wayne Gacy. He appeared normal to them in every way, which is how he lured them to being trapped and, ultimately, sodomized, tortured and murdered. Looks can deceive most people.

    It seems many trads have an elitist attitude on appearance and socio-economic positions of people. I'd rather trust Our Lord in discerning a man's soul: 

    "Judge not according to the appearance: but judge just judgment." - Matthew 7:24
    A cowspiracy among femtrads permeates the forum, and soytrads are oblivious.

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    Re: The Eyes are the Window to the Soul
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  • Really? Tell that to the victims of serial killer & sodomite John Wayne Gacy. He appeared normal to them in every way, which is how he lured them to being trapped and, ultimately, sodomized, tortured and murdered. Looks can deceive most people.

    It seems many trads have an elitist attitude on appearance and socio-economic positions of people. I'd rather trust Our Lord in discerning a man's soul:

    "Judge not according to the appearance: but judge just judgment." - Matthew 7:24
    I had never heard of this Gacy, so I did a search.
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    Apparently, he did not appear "normal in every way", as some of his victims were actually abducted, gagged, or tricked. His victims were almost exclusively teenagers, who are not, as a rule, experienced enough to make good judgements.
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    The photos of him show him to have a weak chin and to be overweight, as well as having shifty eyes, looking down and away from the camera, on an occasion when he would normally look straight at the camera (on the occasion of meeting Roslyn Carter, the President's wife).
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    He was a mason. He played the clown for "fundraisers", and it was noted that "some professional clowns noted the sharp corners Gacy painted at the edges of his mouth are contrary to the rounded borders that professional clowns normally employ, so as not to scare children."

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Wayne_Gacy
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    Now we know that the more one matures in the Christian faith, with the Gifts of the Holy Spirit ever growing in us, the more we are able to discern good and evil.
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    Besides the above post is essentially a collection of writings from Scripture and the Saints, noted for their wisdom.
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    A good man can wear rags with dignity. The eyes are the mirror of the soul.

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    Apparently, he did not appear "normal in every way", as some of his victims were actually abducted, gagged, or tricked. His victims were almost exclusively teenagers, who are not, as a rule, experienced enough to make good judgements.


    To his victims, he appeared normal. If he came off as abnormal or evil in any way, they wouldn't have trusted him and become lured into being trapped.

    Robert Berdella, Patrick Wayne Kearney and William Bonin are three other serial killers and sodomites who looked normal and gained the trust of their victims. Many of their victims were men. If their victims knew they were sodomites, or if they looked abnormal or evil, they wouldn't have trusted them.

    There are some teens who have better judgement than adults regarding the character of other people. Teens have intuition which is correct a lot of times. Adults are prone to losing touch with their intuition because they're distracted with worldly things and stupid pursuits that don't really matter.
    A cowspiracy among femtrads permeates the forum, and soytrads are oblivious.


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    Re: The Eyes are the Window to the Soul
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    Besides the above post is essentially a collection of writings from Scripture and the Saints, noted for their wisdom.

    I'll take Jesus Christ's wisdom over saints' wisdom any day. He said "judge not according to appearance, but judge a just judgement."

    Satan appears as an angel of light. He's not the scary, ugly monster depicted in movies. Many psychopaths and serial killers use charm, looks and charisma, or plain normalcy, to trick their victims.

    There are more psychopaths wearing suits and ties, and blouses and high heels, than there are in destitution.

    Turn on the TV. You'll see them. They work in government, banks and corporations. Sadly, they've worn the roman collar, too. Parents were oblivious to them abusing their children. Did they look like monsters or pious, trustworthy people?
    A cowspiracy among femtrads permeates the forum, and soytrads are oblivious.

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    Re: The Eyes are the Window to the Soul
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    Four Ways to Discern a Man's Soul
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    Fr. Cornelius a Lapide, S.J.


    • The attire of the body and the laughter of the teeth and the gait of the man show what he is. (Ecclesiasticus 19:27)
    "Interpreting this verse, Siracides gives four ways by which one can see, as through windows of the soul, the hidden virtues or vices, the simplicity or hypocrisy of a person.

     "The first quite clear way is the outward appearance and the expression of the face, principally the eyes. The nature of a person shows and reveals itself by the eyes. For if the lamp of the body is the eyes, why is it surprising if that lamp should reveal the body? So, when one first meets a ferocious man, his eyes seem to spread terror; when one meets a pious man, his eyes spread joy. Just as wisdom and sanctity shine in the face of the wise and the holy, (Eccles, 8:1), so also foolishness and evil darken the face of the stupid and wicked.

     "St. Ambrose (Book on Elias, chap. 10) admirably says: “The face is a witness of the thoughts and is a silent interpreter of the heart. The outward appearance is often a sign of the conscience and the unspoken words of the mind.”

     "St. Augustine (Rule for the Servants of God, at the end) says: “Do not say that you have pure souls if you have impure eyes, because impure eyes are messengers of an impure heart.”

     "The second way is the clothing or dress: overbearing apparel reveals interior pride, false dress reveals falsity; dissolute dress, dissolution; capricious apparel, capriciousness; grave clothing, gravity; sensual dress indicates and represents sensuality of spirit. Hence St. Augustine (Letter 73 to Possidium) says: “The true adornment of the Christian is not false make up, nor opulent and ostentatious dress, but rather good customs.”

     "By means of the face, dress, and dissolute customs of Julian the Apostate, St. Gregory Nazianzen discerned his hidden impiety. He refers to it (Speech 2, in Julian) with these words: “Nor does it speak of any good to me to see a man with a weak neck, stooping shoulders, a constantly agitated bearing, insolent eyes and a roving and furious gaze, unstable and tottering feet, an offensive nose breathing contempt, and an arrogant and unrestrained laugh.” After describing his dissolute soul with other similar observations, he argues: “Hence his bearing speaks clearly: What a great evil the Roman land has nourished!” ….

     "The third way is the laugh. Indeed, the sincere and regular laugh reveals a sincere, constant and open heart. The short, twisted, sardonic, and arrogant laugh reveals a narrow, twisted, fraudulent, and arrogant spirit and signifies an imbued hatred. In this respect Rabanus says that by the bearing of the body one demonstrates the quality of the will. ….

     "The fourth way is the manner of walking. The fast and precipitate way of walking is a symptom of the impulsive spirit, just as the slow step reveals slowness of spirit; the light step, lightness of spirit; the arrogant step, an arrogant spirit; the furious step, an angry spirit; and an affected or feigned step, falseness of spirit.

     "For this reason, Bede (in Proverbs) says: “The movement of the body demonstrates the habit of the mind.”

     "And St. Bernard (On the Way to Live Well, chap. 9) says: “Let your way of walking be simple, and your step honest. No shame, no sensuality, no arrogance, no insolence, no frivolity should appear in your way of walking. Indeed, the spirit shows itself in the movement of the body, the carriage of the body is a signal of the soul.”


    (Commentaria in Scripturam Sacram, Paris 1875, vol. 9, pp. 542-542)

    Thanks Incred!  That's a really great post!

    I might as well mention what I had deleted in my OP.  It was a youtube video which showed a Catholic pro-life individual strenuously and very intelligently debating against a couple of staunch pro abortion individuals.  The pro-aborts looked and acted somewhat unhinged by the very solid argument the pro-life individual was making.  There was quite a different look in their eyes from the look in the pro-lifer's eyes!  In any event, yes, it is true that the devils and those who push his agenda -- God willing -- sometimes appear as "angels of light," although in the video the two pro-aborts certainly didn't appear as good angels!

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    Re: The Eyes are the Window to the Soul
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  • Post the video Klas 
    The Lord our God from tree doth reign.


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  • Ah yes, weak chins and droopy noses are surely caused by vices of character. I suppose models are the most virtuous of us all. 

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  • I'll take Jesus Christ's wisdom over saints' wisdom any day. He said "judge not according to appearance, but judge a just judgement."

    Satan appears as an angel of light. He's not the scary, ugly monster depicted in movies. Many psychopaths and serial killers use charm, looks and charisma, or plain normalcy, to trick their victims.

    There are more psychopaths wearing suits and ties, and blouses and high heels, than there are in destitution.

    Turn on the TV. You'll see them. They work in government, banks and corporations. Sadly, they've worn the roman collar, too. Parents were oblivious to them abusing their children. Did they look like monsters or pious, trustworthy people?
    If you ever think that Our Lord's wisdom and a Saint's wisdom are contradicting each other, please consult a Traditional Catholic Priest.  The writings of the saints should complement the words of Our Lord, those saints and their writings have been carefully reviewed by truly great minds.


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  • There are more psychopaths wearing suits and ties, and blouses and high heels, than there are in destitution.

    If you mean sociopaths and not psychopaths then I agree.  Psychopaths are usually very unstable in their behavior and do not rise very high in an occupational endeavor.

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  • I'll take Jesus Christ's wisdom over saints' wisdom any day. He said "judge not according to appearance, but judge a just judgement."


    This is Scriptural, which means it’s infallible!


    The Lord our God from tree doth reign.

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    Re: The Eyes are the Window to the Soul
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  • Jesus was speaking to the Jews who were finding fault with what He did, that is, He healed a man on the sabbath. He was not speaking of anyone's presentation or looks. You can't just drag out scripture and make say what you want it to say.

    Besides, the Saints and Scripture never challenge His Words, so you don't have to make a choice between what they say and He says.

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  • "The Gaze and the Eyes":

    Here's a good example, that occurred around the time TIA first posted their article.

    Remember the Virginia Tech shooter?

    Check his eyes as he poses with his buddy in stealth camos:


    This picture of Seung Cho, at left, was first posted on
    Wikipedia, and then removed  Link



    This guy wasn't just an isolated nut. He had the help of jew-programming too.  

    His jewess college instructors had gotten him into some pretty hateful "literature".
    When this was discovered, they denied it and covered their trail.

    Bottom-line, you could read this guy 50 yards away.

    And if you claim you couldn't, I submit you lack the Grace of Discernment... so pray more Holy Rosaries.

    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi

     

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