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    Identity of тαℓмυdic molesters protected by District Attorney
    http://revisionistreview.blogspot.com/

    "Adjudicated without public scrutiny"

    The identity of тαℓмυdic child molesters is protected in New York by the District Attorney

    Another outrageous case of preferential treatment

    Americans continue to be oblivious to the growing threat of тαℓмυdic law in America and the Zionist supremacy it generates over the rest of us less-than-human gentiles. Here below is another case of the preferential treatment which prosecutors immersed in a тαℓмυdic mentality and ethos evince within law enforcement: one law for the Master Race of Holy People and another for everyone else. Imagine if the identity of Catholic priest-molesters were concealed in this manner? The media outcry would form a sonic boom that would resound from coast to coast.  

    --Michael Hoffman, author of Judaism's Strange Gods and Judaism Discovered
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    Orthodox Abuse Suspects Get Exemption
    Brooklyn Prosecutors Deny Request for Identity of Sex Suspects

    By Paul Berger • berger@forward.com
    Forward newspaper (New York)
    Published April 24, 2012, issue of May 04, 2012

    Orthodox Jєωs charged with child sex abuse in Brooklyn (New York) should have their identities protected because of the community’s “tight-knit and insular” nature, prosecutors claim in a remarkable response to demands for information about the cases.

    Rejecting a Forward request under the state’s Freedom of Information Law, the Brooklyn district attorney made the startling claim that Orthodox Jєωs deserve a blanket exemption from the usual public disclosure rules. Prosecutors claimed that Orthodox Jєωs are “unique” in that releasing the names of suspects would allow others in the community to identify their victims.

    “The circuмstances here are unique,” Assistant District Attorney Morgan Dennehy wrote in an April 16 letter to the Forward. “Because all of the requested defendant names relate to Hasidic men who are alleged to have committed sex crimes against Hasidic victims within a very tight-knit and insular Brooklyn community, there is a significant danger that the disclosure of the defendants’ names would lead members of that community to discern the identities of the victims.”

    Although Brooklyn District Attorney Charles Hynes has long resisted requests to identify Orthodox sex suspects, the letter is believed to represent the first time his office spelled out why it specifically singled them out for preferential treatment.

    Dennehy cited the state’s civil rights laws in denying the Forward’s request for the names of 85 Orthodox Jєωs arrested on sex charges during the past three years. The Forward made its request in December 2011 after prosecutors announced that scores of Orthodox Jєωs had been charged under a special program designed to encourage the community to come forward with information.

    He did not explain whether prosecutors had concluded that there was anything specific about each of the 85 suspects that might make it possible for others to determine the identity of their victim from the identity of the suspect.

    He also did not explain whether such a blanket exemption might be granted to other similarly “tight-knit” communities in the borough. And there were no details about what criteria prosecutors would use to determine whether a particular group should be granted such preferential status.

    Dennehy also claimed that revealing the names of abuse suspects could harm the operation of the DA’s special hotline, Kol Tzedek, or Voice of Justice, which was set up to three years ago to encourage Orthodox abuse victims to come forward. Disclosing suspects’ names could cause victims to lose faith in the hotline, which in turn would “interfere with law enforcement investigations or judicial proceedings,” he claimed.

    Marci Hamilton, a law professor at Yeshiva University, said that prosecutors’ refusal to release the suspects’ names or other information about their alleged crimes amounts to “enabling” abusers.

    “I think they are complicit in what enables these kinds of perpetrators in these kinds of communities if they are going… to refuse to publish names of any child sex predators,” Hamilton said. “When names of perpetrators are made public, their other victims are empowered to come forward and the whole community is given the power to identify and stop them and other predators.”

    Hamilton added: “What the DA’s office is doing, unfortunately, is playing right into the hands of the abusers.”

    Daniel Mullkoff, a legal fellow with the New York Civil Liberties Union, said there was no good reason to withhold the names of abuse suspects from the public. “In this case, the public has raised concerns about what the district attorney is doing,” he said. “Withholding of this information is without a legal basis and denies access to just the type of information that the public records law seeks to make public.”

    In October 2009, Hynes office redacted the names of 26 Orthodox Jєωs on a list of those charged with sex crimes. A Freedom of Information Law request submitted by the Forward to see those names was refused.

    When Hynes last year trumpeted the arrests of 85 Orthodox Jєωs on sex crimes charges since 2008, he again refused to release the suspects’ names. He cited the need to protect the identity of victims. Yet that same week, Hynes issued a press release publicizing the name of a non-Jєωιѕн man convicted of raping his girlfriend’s daughter. Hynes released the man’s name, the neighborhood where he lived and the victim’s age, enough information for any neighbor to identify the girl.

    Hynes even refused to name 14 Orthodox people who were convicted of sex crimes, 10 of whom pleaded guilty. They were sentenced to between one month and 20 years in jail. Although some of those cases were covered in the media, several were adjudicated without public scrutiny.

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  • Disgusting. I have found several articles online about orthodox Jєωs molesting their students or other boys, but for some reason they always disappear rather quickly.


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  • “Israel is not to be accused of pederasty.” Kiddushin 82a

    A SALIENT EXAMPLE OF HOW THE RABBIS NULLIFY GOD'S LAW WITH THEIR ORAL TORAH

    GOD'S LAW IN THE HEBREW BIBLE:

    Leviticus 18:22 "Thou shalt not lie with mankind as with womankind, because it is an abomination."

    TORAH NULLIFYING GOD'S LAW:

    Sanhedrin 54b "If a boy under the age of nine perpetrated sodomy upon an adult, the adult is not liable for punishment, for the intercourse of a boy under nine years of age is not legally an act of intercourse. Since a child less than nine years old cannot commit sodomy, he can also not be the object of sodomy....This Baraita supports Rav, for it teaches that if a man engaged in ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ intercourse with a child under the age of nine, he is exempt from liability."


    "…intercourse with a boy under nine years old is not considered a significant sɛҳuąƖ act..." Ketubot 11b

    "If a girl is less than three years old, it is permitted to be secluded with her. Likewise, if a boy is less than nine years old a woman is permitted to be alone with him." Kitzur Shulchan Aruch: A Classic Guide to Jєωιѕн Law (Metsudah Publications, 1996) v. 2, p. 1023

    "If a grown up man has intercourse with a little girl, it is nothing, for having intercourse with a girl less than three years old is like putting a finger in the eye." Ketubot 11b

    "A father may betroth his daughter without her consent as long as she is a minor, and she also remains under his authority as long as she is a maiden. . . . If she is three years and one day old, she may be betrothed by an act of intercourse with the consent of her father." Maimonides “the Great Rambam,” Sefer Nashim 3:11

    There is also the Torah’s excuse for "unwitting" sodomy [Sanhedrin 54b] as if such an unnatural and intrinsically difficult act could be accidental.  As Hoffman opines, such a loophole is "beneath contempt."  Judaism Discovered: A Study of the Anti-Biblical Religion of Racism, Self-Worship, Superstition, and Deceit. ISBN 13: 9780970378453 pp. 676-705.

    At tractate Yebamoth 63a the Torah teaches that "Adam had intercourse with all the beasts and animals" in the Garden of Eden. At tractate Gittin 69b the Torah teaches that the cure of a catarrh is to "take the excrement of a white dog kneaded with balsam." Then, of course, the rabbis still perform their oral circuмcision ritual Mezizah b'peh on little boys, sometimes causing the death of innocent babies. 2005: http://www.nytimes.com/2005/08/26/nyregion/26circuмcise.html
    2011:
    http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/infant-death-maimonides-hospital-linked-circuмcision-article-1.1032432

    Another Baby Dies of Herpes Transmitted Orally by Rabbi During 'Religious Ritual'
    http://mauricepinay.blogspot.com/2012/03/another-baby-dies-of-herpes-transmitted.html

    New York Resumes Permission for Molestation of Baby Boys by Homo Rabbis
    http://www.revisionisthistory.org/homo_rabbis.html

    Go to http://www.Jєωιѕнencyclopedia.com/view.jsp?artid=514&letter=C&search=circuмcision#1811  then scroll down to:
     
    Mezizah:
    By this is meant the sucking of the blood from the wound. The mohel takes some wine in his mouth and applies his lips to the part involved in the operation, and exerts suction, after which he expels the mixture of wine and blood into a receptacle (see Fig. 4, below) provided for the purpose. This procedure [repeatedly sucking the boy’s privates] is repeated several times, and completes the operation, except as to the control of the bleeding and the dressing of the wound.

    See proof of the vile act:
    http://tinyurl.com/yb6upaq
    http://www.rebelnews.org/books/zionism/8841-sodomy-in-the-ѕуηαgσgυє

    As if that perverse custom isn’t already too much:
    Eating foreskins & the Israeli government
    http://winstonsmithministryoftruth.blogspot.com/2011/12/eating-foreskins-israeli-government.html

    “If, by contrast, a Jєωιѕн male enters into relations with a gentile woman, when he does so intentionally, she should be executed.23 She is executed because she caused a Jєω to be involved in an unseemly transgression, as [is the law with regard to] an animal.24 [This applies regardless of] whether the gentile women was a minor of three years of age,25 or an adult, whether she was single or married. And it applies even if [the Jєω] was a minor of nine years old, [she is executed].26
    This [punishment] is explicitly mentioned in the Torah, as [Numbers 31:16-17] states: "Behold they were [involved] with the children of Israel according to the advice of Balaamו.27 Execute any woman fit to know a man through lying with a male."

    23. Note the gloss of the Maggid Mishneh who questions the source for the Rambam's ruling, arguing that the passage from Numbers cannot be interpreted as definitive proof.
    24. See Chapter 1, Halachot 16-18.
    25. If, however, she is younger than three, the relations are not considered significant.
    26. From that age onward, sɛҳuąƖ relations in which he engages are significant, as stated in Chapter 1, Halachah 13.
    27. Who advised the Midianites and the Moabites to have their women seduce Jєωιѕн men to provoke God's wrath.

    Sefer Kedushah, Issurei Biah, Chapter Twelve, Halacha 10
    http://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/960660/Jєωιѕн/Chapter-Twelve.htm

    1797: Jєωs dominating child sex slavery
    http://winstonsmithministryoftruth.blogspot.com/2012/03/1797-Jєωs-dominating-child-sex-slavery.html

    1835: Jєωs buying, training & selling children as sex slaves
    http://winstonsmithministryoftruth.blogspot.com/2011/10/Jєωs-buying-training-selling-children.html

    1811: More Jєωs buying & selling child sex slaves
    http://winstonsmithministryoftruth.blogspot.com/2011/10/more-Jєωs-buying-selling-child-sex.html

    1917-1920: Child prostitution in ʝʊdɛօ-Bolshevik Russia
    http://winstonsmithministryoftruth.blogspot.com/2012/03/child-prostitution-in-Jєωιѕн-bolshevik.html

    Jєωs & child prostitution in early 20th century
    http://winstonsmithministryoftruth.blogspot.com/2011/11/germany-1913-Jєωs-selling-children-as.html

    October 21, 1983 convicted pedophile Brooklyn District Attorney goes home to Israel, no jail time, but devotes himself to Jєωιѕн charitable causes
    http://www.nytimes.com/1983/10/21/nyregion/gold-gets-probation-in-fondling-of-child-agrees-to-treatment.html


    August 27, 2009
    Rabbi: Kill those who report Judaic rape of children
    Synopsis of the ruling of the Ungvarer Rov, Rabbi Menashe Klein:
    An 8-year-old girl who has been raped and who identifies her father as her rapist to a trained medical professional is not to be believed. The medical professional is forbidden to contact law enforcement, social workers or child protection or do anything that could get the father arrested. If the medical professional is about to call police and cannot be stopped by any other means, he can and should be killed. And the father who raped the little girl? The father remains just as he was before, free.
    The author of this depraved ruling is Rabbi Menashe Klein, a contemporary Hasidic "Gadol" (great rabbi of his generation), who heads the Ungar kehillah Yeshiva Bais Shearim, in Boro Park, Brooklyn, New York.
    http://revisionistreview.blogspot.com/2009/08/rabbi-kill-those-who-report-judaic-rape.html

    October 8, 2010 World Jєωιѕн Congress oligarch chartered child-rape boat
    http://www.Jєωιѕнtimes.com/index.php/Jєωιѕнtimes/news/jt/international_news/Jєωιѕн_leader_arrested_in_alleged_sex_trade_scheme/21060
    http://mauricepinay.blogspot.com/2010/10/world-Jєωιѕн-congress-oligarch.html

    October 29, 2010
    Former B’nai B’rith head admits downloading 9 hours of child pornography for “education”
    http://www.cbc.ca/canada/montreal/story/2010/10/28/sentence-montreal-pornography.html?ref=rss#ixzz13oN47ig0

    April 6, 2011 Top Pinto Aide Tied to Porn Sales and Legal Troubles
    By Josh Nathan-Kazis | Forward (Zionist newspaper)
    http://forward.com/articles/136819/

    June 14, 2011 Rep. Anthony Wiener’s Satanic Rebbe
    http://mauricepinay.blogspot.com/2011/06/anthony-weiners-satanic-rebbe.html

    Aug. 10, 2011, Actor Corey Feldman Says Pedophilia No. 1 Problem for Child Stars, Contributed to Demise of Corey Haim
    http://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/corey-feldman-pedophilia-problem-child-actors-contributed-demise/story?id=14256781#.TwFHsph0tne

    December 12, 2011 Child sex abuse scandal rocks Orthodox Jєωιѕн community after 85 arrested
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2072839/Child-sex-abuse-scandal-rocks-Orthodox-Jєωιѕн-community-85-arrested.html#ixzz1gJ2K4vgW

    April 24, 2012 Orthodox Abuse Suspects Get Exemption: Brooklyn Prosecutors Deny Request for Identity of Sex Suspects by Paul Berger, The Jєωιѕн Daily Forward
    http://forward.com/articles/155197/orthodox-abuse-suspects-get-exemption/
    Identity of тαℓмυdic molesters protected by Brooklyn District Attorney
    http://revisionistreview.blogspot.com/2012/04/identity-of-тαℓмυdic-molesters.html

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    “Israel is not to be accused of pederasty.” Kiddushin 82a

    A SALIENT EXAMPLE OF HOW THE RABBIS NULLIFY GOD'S LAW WITH THEIR ORAL TORAH

    GOD'S LAW IN THE HEBREW BIBLE:

    Leviticus 18:22 "Thou shalt not lie with mankind as with womankind, because it is an abomination."

    TORAH NULLIFYING GOD'S LAW:

    Sanhedrin 54b "If a boy under the age of nine perpetrated sodomy upon an adult, the adult is not liable for punishment, for the intercourse of a boy under nine years of age is not legally an act of intercourse. Since a child less than nine years old cannot commit sodomy, he can also not be the object of sodomy....This Baraita supports Rav, for it teaches that if a man engaged in ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ intercourse with a child under the age of nine, he is exempt from liability."


    "…intercourse with a boy under nine years old is not considered a significant sɛҳuąƖ act..." Ketubot 11b

    "If a girl is less than three years old, it is permitted to be secluded with her. Likewise, if a boy is less than nine years old a woman is permitted to be alone with him." Kitzur Shulchan Aruch: A Classic Guide to Jєωιѕн Law (Metsudah Publications, 1996) v. 2, p. 1023

    "If a grown up man has intercourse with a little girl, it is nothing, for having intercourse with a girl less than three years old is like putting a finger in the eye." Ketubot 11b

    "A father may betroth his daughter without her consent as long as she is a minor, and she also remains under his authority as long as she is a maiden. . . . If she is three years and one day old, she may be betrothed by an act of intercourse with the consent of her father." Maimonides “the Great Rambam,” Sefer Nashim 3:11

    There is also the Torah’s excuse for "unwitting" sodomy [Sanhedrin 54b] as if such an unnatural and intrinsically difficult act could be accidental.  As Hoffman opines, such a loophole is "beneath contempt."  Judaism Discovered: A Study of the Anti-Biblical Religion of Racism, Self-Worship, Superstition, and Deceit. ISBN 13: 9780970378453 pp. 676-705.

    At tractate Yebamoth 63a the Torah teaches that "Adam had intercourse with all the beasts and animals" in the Garden of Eden. At tractate Gittin 69b the Torah teaches that the cure of a catarrh is to "take the excrement of a white dog kneaded with balsam." Then, of course, the rabbis still perform their oral circuмcision ritual Mezizah b'peh on little boys, sometimes causing the death of innocent babies. 2005: http://www.nytimes.com/2005/08/26/nyregion/26circuмcise.html
    2011:
    http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/infant-death-maimonides-hospital-linked-circuмcision-article-1.1032432

    Another Baby Dies of Herpes Transmitted Orally by Rabbi During 'Religious Ritual'
    http://mauricepinay.blogspot.com/2012/03/another-baby-dies-of-herpes-transmitted.html

    New York Resumes Permission for Molestation of Baby Boys by Homo Rabbis
    http://www.revisionisthistory.org/homo_rabbis.html

    Go to http://www.Jєωιѕнencyclopedia.com/view.jsp?artid=514&letter=C&search=circuмcision#1811  then scroll down to:
     
    Mezizah:
    By this is meant the sucking of the blood from the wound. The mohel takes some wine in his mouth and applies his lips to the part involved in the operation, and exerts suction, after which he expels the mixture of wine and blood into a receptacle (see Fig. 4, below) provided for the purpose. This procedure [repeatedly sucking the boy’s privates] is repeated several times, and completes the operation, except as to the control of the bleeding and the dressing of the wound.

    See proof of the vile act:
    http://tinyurl.com/yb6upaq
    http://www.rebelnews.org/books/zionism/8841-sodomy-in-the-ѕуηαgσgυє

    As if that perverse custom isn’t already too much:
    Eating foreskins & the Israeli government
    http://winstonsmithministryoftruth.blogspot.com/2011/12/eating-foreskins-israeli-government.html

    “If, by contrast, a Jєωιѕн male enters into relations with a gentile woman, when he does so intentionally, she should be executed.23 She is executed because she caused a Jєω to be involved in an unseemly transgression, as [is the law with regard to] an animal.24 [This applies regardless of] whether the gentile women was a minor of three years of age,25 or an adult, whether she was single or married. And it applies even if [the Jєω] was a minor of nine years old, [she is executed].26
    This [punishment] is explicitly mentioned in the Torah, as [Numbers 31:16-17] states: "Behold they were [involved] with the children of Israel according to the advice of Balaamו.27 Execute any woman fit to know a man through lying with a male."

    23. Note the gloss of the Maggid Mishneh who questions the source for the Rambam's ruling, arguing that the passage from Numbers cannot be interpreted as definitive proof.
    24. See Chapter 1, Halachot 16-18.
    25. If, however, she is younger than three, the relations are not considered significant.
    26. From that age onward, sɛҳuąƖ relations in which he engages are significant, as stated in Chapter 1, Halachah 13.
    27. Who advised the Midianites and the Moabites to have their women seduce Jєωιѕн men to provoke God's wrath.

    Sefer Kedushah, Issurei Biah, Chapter Twelve, Halacha 10
    http://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/960660/Jєωιѕн/Chapter-Twelve.htm

    1797: Jєωs dominating child sex slavery
    http://winstonsmithministryoftruth.blogspot.com/2012/03/1797-Jєωs-dominating-child-sex-slavery.html

    1835: Jєωs buying, training & selling children as sex slaves
    http://winstonsmithministryoftruth.blogspot.com/2011/10/Jєωs-buying-training-selling-children.html

    1811: More Jєωs buying & selling child sex slaves
    http://winstonsmithministryoftruth.blogspot.com/2011/10/more-Jєωs-buying-selling-child-sex.html

    1917-1920: Child prostitution in ʝʊdɛօ-Bolshevik Russia
    http://winstonsmithministryoftruth.blogspot.com/2012/03/child-prostitution-in-Jєωιѕн-bolshevik.html

    Jєωs & child prostitution in early 20th century
    http://winstonsmithministryoftruth.blogspot.com/2011/11/germany-1913-Jєωs-selling-children-as.html

    October 21, 1983 convicted pedophile Brooklyn District Attorney goes home to Israel, no jail time, but devotes himself to Jєωιѕн charitable causes
    http://www.nytimes.com/1983/10/21/nyregion/gold-gets-probation-in-fondling-of-child-agrees-to-treatment.html


    August 27, 2009
    Rabbi: Kill those who report Judaic rape of children
    Synopsis of the ruling of the Ungvarer Rov, Rabbi Menashe Klein:
    An 8-year-old girl who has been raped and who identifies her father as her rapist to a trained medical professional is not to be believed. The medical professional is forbidden to contact law enforcement, social workers or child protection or do anything that could get the father arrested. If the medical professional is about to call police and cannot be stopped by any other means, he can and should be killed. And the father who raped the little girl? The father remains just as he was before, free.
    The author of this depraved ruling is Rabbi Menashe Klein, a contemporary Hasidic "Gadol" (great rabbi of his generation), who heads the Ungar kehillah Yeshiva Bais Shearim, in Boro Park, Brooklyn, New York.
    http://revisionistreview.blogspot.com/2009/08/rabbi-kill-those-who-report-judaic-rape.html

    October 8, 2010 World Jєωιѕн Congress oligarch chartered child-rape boat
    http://www.Jєωιѕнtimes.com/index.php/Jєωιѕнtimes/news/jt/international_news/Jєωιѕн_leader_arrested_in_alleged_sex_trade_scheme/21060
    http://mauricepinay.blogspot.com/2010/10/world-Jєωιѕн-congress-oligarch.html

    October 29, 2010
    Former B’nai B’rith head admits downloading 9 hours of child pornography for “education”
    http://www.cbc.ca/canada/montreal/story/2010/10/28/sentence-montreal-pornography.html?ref=rss#ixzz13oN47ig0

    April 6, 2011 Top Pinto Aide Tied to Porn Sales and Legal Troubles
    By Josh Nathan-Kazis | Forward (Zionist newspaper)
    http://forward.com/articles/136819/

    June 14, 2011 Rep. Anthony Wiener’s Satanic Rebbe
    http://mauricepinay.blogspot.com/2011/06/anthony-weiners-satanic-rebbe.html

    Aug. 10, 2011, Actor Corey Feldman Says Pedophilia No. 1 Problem for Child Stars, Contributed to Demise of Corey Haim
    http://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/corey-feldman-pedophilia-problem-child-actors-contributed-demise/story?id=14256781#.TwFHsph0tne

    December 12, 2011 Child sex abuse scandal rocks Orthodox Jєωιѕн community after 85 arrested
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2072839/Child-sex-abuse-scandal-rocks-Orthodox-Jєωιѕн-community-85-arrested.html#ixzz1gJ2K4vgW

    April 24, 2012 Orthodox Abuse Suspects Get Exemption: Brooklyn Prosecutors Deny Request for Identity of Sex Suspects by Paul Berger, The Jєωιѕн Daily Forward
    http://forward.com/articles/155197/orthodox-abuse-suspects-get-exemption/
    Identity of тαℓмυdic molesters protected by Brooklyn District Attorney
    http://revisionistreview.blogspot.com/2012/04/identity-of-тαℓмυdic-molesters.html


    Wow. If that's just what makes it through the Jєω media, imagine how much of that filth really goes on. Of course I believe that many of the charges against Catholic priests are simply false- an effort by these types to draw attention away from themselves. One thing I've constantly noticed about evil people- they always accuse others of those same things that they do. They can't help it, it's a defensive thing, often invoked preemptively to ensure they can accuse their own accusers of retribution. For instance, Republican politicians (whenever you see the word politician you should replace it with the word 'liar'. No matter what party they belong to.) are always speaking against ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity, adultery, and other deviant sɛҳuąƖity, and often accuse others (Demoncrats) of doing it. And then it seems like every day that a Republican politician gets caught in an adulterous, ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ relationship or other sɛҳuąƖ deviancy. Jєωs are the same they will always point the finger and accuse others of their own crimes. People are people. On a side note, I learned long ago, and I can't understand how so many people never seem to learn, but get screwed over time and time and time again. What did I learn?

    Whenever a Jєω, a ploitician, or a merchant is speaking, he is lying to you.
    Period.

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  • You will learn more about the Jєωιѕн spirirt after they completely
    taken over the U.S. since 1975.

    We are all Jєωs now except the few Traditional Catholics that are
    still out there.


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    You will learn more about the Jєωιѕн spirirt after they completely
    taken over the U.S. since 1975.

    We are all Jєωs now except the few Traditional Catholics that are
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    Unfortunately. I grew up in the Southern Baptist church and attended several other even more evangelical churches until I converted. I noticed the Judaizing from an early age. For instance, I do not have a Christian name. Few people in my church do. They are all Old Testament names. Friends I grew up were not Stephen and Andrew and Paul, they were David and Jacob and Job. There was a woman in my last church that wore a shield of David necklace all the time, and always tried to get people to start following OT law like dietary laws. Israel was always defended no matter what atrocities were committed by them.

    What is sad is that Traditional Catholicism is TRUE Judaism, which was abandoned by the Jєωs long, long ago, at least as far back as the Babylonian exile, where they took up their captors' Baal worship.

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    You will learn more about the Jєωιѕн spirirt after they completely
    taken over the U.S. since 1975.

    We are all Jєωs now except the few Traditional Catholics that are
    still out there.


    Unfortunately. I grew up in the Southern Baptist church and attended several other even more evangelical churches until I converted. I noticed the Judaizing from an early age. For instance, I do not have a Christian name. Few people in my church do. They are all Old Testament names. Friends I grew up were not Stephen and Andrew and Paul, they were David and Jacob and Job. There was a woman in my last church that wore a shield of David necklace all the time, and always tried to get people to start following OT law like dietary laws. Israel was always defended no matter what atrocities were committed by them.

    What is sad is that Traditional Catholicism is TRUE Judaism, which was abandoned by the Jєωs long, long ago, at least as far back as the Babylonian exile, where they took up their captors' Baal worship.


    What I ment is the Jєω with the revolutionary spirit, the type that
    E.Michael Jones is talking about.

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    STAR OF REMPHAM

    As to the hexagram, there is NO biblical reference to a “Star of David,” but there are references to the Star of Rempham (Acts 7:43) and Amos 5:26 notes:

    “But you carried a tabernacle for your Moloch, and the image of your idols, the star of your god, which you made to yourselves.”

    “And you took unto you the tabernacle of Moloch, and the star of your god Rempham, figures which you made to adore them. And I will carry you away beyond Babylon.” Acts 7:43


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    STAR OF REMPHAM

    As to the hexagram, there is NO biblical reference to a “Star of David,” but there are references to the Star of Rempham (Acts 7:43) and Amos 5:26 notes:

    “But you carried a tabernacle for your Moloch, and the image of your idols, the star of your god, which you made to yourselves.”

    “And you took unto you the tabernacle of Moloch, and the star of your god Rempham, figures which you made to adore them. And I will carry you away beyond Babylon.” Acts 7:43


    I don't remember that from Acts. Would you believe I've never read Amos? I'll have to check it out.

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    You will learn more about the Jєωιѕн spirirt after they completely
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    We are all Jєωs now except the few Traditional Catholics that are
    still out there.


    Unfortunately. I grew up in the Southern Baptist church and attended several other even more evangelical churches until I converted. I noticed the Judaizing from an early age. For instance, I do not have a Christian name. Few people in my church do. They are all Old Testament names. Friends I grew up were not Stephen and Andrew and Paul, they were David and Jacob and Job. There was a woman in my last church that wore a shield of David necklace all the time, and always tried to get people to start following OT law like dietary laws. Israel was always defended no matter what atrocities were committed by them.

    What is sad is that Traditional Catholicism is TRUE Judaism, which was abandoned by the Jєωs long, long ago, at least as far back as the Babylonian exile, where they took up their captors' Baal worship.


    The names of the saints of the old law are Christian names as much as they are Jєωιѕн ones.  They are canonized saints and commemorated on the Eastern liturgical calendars.  It has never been the custom to commemorate their feast days in the west, but that does not make them any less saints of the Catholic Church.
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    You will learn more about the Jєωιѕн spirirt after they completely
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    We are all Jєωs now except the few Traditional Catholics that are
    still out there.


    Unfortunately. I grew up in the Southern Baptist church and attended several other even more evangelical churches until I converted. I noticed the Judaizing from an early age. For instance, I do not have a Christian name. Few people in my church do. They are all Old Testament names. Friends I grew up were not Stephen and Andrew and Paul, they were David and Jacob and Job. There was a woman in my last church that wore a shield of David necklace all the time, and always tried to get people to start following OT law like dietary laws. Israel was always defended no matter what atrocities were committed by them.

    What is sad is that Traditional Catholicism is TRUE Judaism, which was abandoned by the Jєωs long, long ago, at least as far back as the Babylonian exile, where they took up their captors' Baal worship.


    The names of the saints of the old law are Christian names as much as they are Jєωιѕн ones.  They are canonized saints and commemorated on the Eastern liturgical calendars.  It has never been the custom to commemorate their feast days in the west, but that does not make them any less saints of the Catholic Church.


    That's true, and I don't mean to say the OT fathers were not saintly or there are no OT Saints (I know that Joshua son of Nun is actually a saint, so I guess I do have a Christian name), but my point is that it is very widespread practice in S. Baptist church to place the Old Testament even above the Gospel of Jesus Christ. They live in the OT- they think OT. The naming is just one example of that- I know very few S. Baptists with New Testament names. They seem to glorify the OT and place it first, in my opinion. That's what I've seen my entire life, anyways.


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      Isn't a boy of 9 physically incapable of having a relationship with a woman?
    Also: I thought Torah was another name for the first five books of OT. Now it seems that it is about тαℓмυd.

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    It is not impossible, but decency defers discussion of a very perverse matter.

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    I thought Torah was another name for the first five books of OT. Now it seems that it is about тαℓмυd.


    You are intended to have that misimpression because it serves the rabbis. There are at least 6 definitions of "Torah." See the excerpt on this matter from "Judaism 101" posted in the Library here:


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    "Jєωs don't read the Bible literally. We read it through the lens of generations of interpretations and acknowledge the evolution of human understanding of God. The тαℓмυdic image of God is vastly different from the image of God presented in the Bible." [Rabbi Laura Geller, Senior Rabbi, Temple Emanuel of Beverly Hills, California
    Huffington Post | April 2, 2011]
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/rabbi-laura-geller/acts-of-god-a-Jєωιѕн-pers_b_842215.html

    "This is not an uncommon impression and one finds it sometimes among Jєωs as well as Christians - that Judaism is the religion of the Hebrew Bible. It is, of course, a fallacious impression. Judaism is not the religion of the Bible." [Rabbi Ben Zion Bokser, Judaism and the Christian Predicament, New York: Alfred A. Knopf, 1967, p.59, 159]

    "The Jєωιѕн religion as it is today traces its descent, without a break, through all the centuries, from the Pharisees. Their leading ideas and methods found expression in a literature of enormous extent, of which a very great deal is still in existence. The тαℓмυd is the largest and most important single member of that literature, and round it are gathered a number of Midrashim, partly legal (Halachic) and partly works of edification (Haggadic). This literature, in its oldest elements, goes back to a time before the beginning of the Common Era, and comes down into the Middle Ages. Through it all run the lines of thought which were first drawn by the Pharisees, and the study of it is essential for any real understanding of Pharisaism." [Universal Jєωιѕн Encyclopedia, Vol. 3 pg. 474]

    “Pharisaism became тαℓмυdism, тαℓмυdism became Medieval Rabbinism, and Medieval Rabbinism became Modern Rabbinism. But throughout these changes of name, inevitable adaptation of custom, and adjustment of Law, the spirit of the ancient Pharisee survives unaltered.” [Rabbi Dr. Finkelstein, The Pharisees: The Sociological Background of Their Faith, The Jєωιѕн Publication Society of America (1946) p. xxi]

    "The тαℓмυd is the written form of that which in the time of Jesus, was called the 'Tradition of the Elders,' and to which He makes frequent allusions." [Michael L. Rodkinson, The History of the тαℓмυd: From The Time Of Its Formation About 200 B. C. Up To The Present Time, Kessinger Publishing, LLC (June 8, 2006), ISBN-13: 978-1428631366, p.70]

    “The complex of rabbinically ordained practices ... including most of the rules for the treatment of Scripture itself--do not derive from Scripture at all. Rabbinic Judaism's initial concern was with the elaboration and refinement of it's own system. Attaching the system to scripture was secondary. It therefore is misleading to depict rabbinic Judaism primarily as a consequence of an exegetical process or the organic unfolding of Scripture. Rather, rabbinic Judaism began as the work of a small, ambitious, and homogeneous group of pseudo-priests ...By the third century (A.D.) the rabbis expressed their self-conception in the ideology of "oral Torah" which held that a comprehensive body of teachings and practices (halachot) not included in Scripture had been given by God and through Moses only to the rabbinic establishment.” (Rabbi Jacob Nuesner, Rabbinic Judaism: Structure and System, pp. 31-34)

    Don’t get suckered into one of the oldest rabbinical tricks, the claim that the тαℓмυd is based on "Torah." A Christian assumes that "Torah" = Pentateuch, but there's the trick. In Judaism there are at least FIVE definitions of Torah. Here's the proof:

    Please note FOUR definitions of Torah in the Jєωιѕн Encyclopedia's entry on Torah:

    “Originally, in order to maintain the distinction between the written Torah (see written law) and various traditional interpretations, customs and practices, the rabbis forbade the commitment to writing of the additional material. However, when it became too voluminous and chaotic conditions made oral transmission too uncertain, the ban was lifted and the material organized and transcribed in the form of the Mishnah, the тαℓмυd, and other rabbinic works. The rabbis expressed their view that 'two Torahs' were given at Sinai, a Written Torah [Torah She Bich Tav, DEFINITION #1] and an Oral Torah [Torah SheBeal Peh, DEFINITION #2] (see oral law) and that at least some of the oral traditions relating to the meaning of basic biblical concepts were as authoritative as the written text (see halakah le-mosheh mi-sinai) In a sense the Oral Torah came to be regarded as more important than the Written Torah inasmuch as the explanations and understanding of the latter depended upon the former. A third meaning of the word ‘Torah’ therefore includes elements of the Oral Torah, which are considered authoritative or deoraita ---'from the Torah.' Finally in its broadest sense, the word 'Torah' is sometimes used to refer to the entire corpus of Halacha and Aggadah, [DEFINITION #3] Written and Oral, from the Bible up to and including the latest Responsa and homiletical interpretations of the rabbis [DEFINITION #4]....” [The New Encyclopedia of Judaism, Geoffrey Wigoder editor in Chief, New York: New York University Press, 2002, ISBN 0814793996, page 778]

    Please note a FIFTH definition of Torah according to the Holy Father's favorite rabbi, “a great scholar” [Benedict XVI, Jesus of Nazareth, p.71]:

    “... The rabbi constituted the projection of the divine on earth. Honor was due him more than to the scroll of the Torah, for through his learning and logic he might alter the very content of Mosaic revelation. He was Torah [DEFINITION #5], not merely because he lived by it, but because at his best he constituted as compelling an embodiment of the heavenly model as did a Torah scroll itself.” [Rabbi Jacob Neusner, “The Phenomenon of the Rabbi in Late Antiquity: II The Ritual of 'Being a Rabbi' in Later Sasanian Babylonia,” Numen, Vol.17, Fasc. 1., Feb., 1970, pp.3-4]

    A SIXTH definition is the scroll treated as a totem in the ѕуηαgσgυє.

    It gets worse because these “Torah” are on an ever-widening trajectory from God. Consider explicit corollaries of the great scholar's presumption that, because the rabbis are divine, they can “alter the very content of Mosaic revelation.”

    “...the Babylonian тαℓмυd represents God in the flesh...” Rabbi Jacob Neusner, Rabbinic Judaism, Minneapolis MN: Augsburg Fortress, 1995. p. 62

    "The Holy One, Blessed be He, speaks Torah out of the mouths of all rabbis.” Haggadah 15b

    "The Bavli [Babylonian тαℓмυd] has formed the definitive statement of Judaism from the time of its closure to the present day." Rabbi Jacob Neusner, quoted by Norman F. Cantor, The Sacred Chain: A History of the Jєωs, page 112)

    The occultic portion of the тαℓмυd, the Kabala, at Tikkunei Zohar 1:27b refers to the Mishnah of the тαℓмυd as “the burial place of Moses.” The reference is an apt double entendre because the тαℓмυd at Shabbat 15 teaches that it supersedes and nullifies the Old Testament, so “buries” the Pentateuch of Moses.  

    “Think not that I will accuse you to the Father: There is one that accuseth you, Moses, in whom you trust. For if you did believe in Moses, you would perhaps believe me also; for he wrote of me. But if you do not believe his writings, how will you believe my words?” John 5:43-47

    The "tradition of the Elders" actually "buries Moses" (Tikkunei Zohar 1:27b), disparages Moses (and Isaias), places Moses in the 18th row of тαℓмυd "sage" Rabbi Akiva like a dunce in the back of the class (Menachot 22b).

    Since converts from Judaism revealed the foundational teachings of Judaism, much effort has been invested in sanitizing vernacular translations of the тαℓмυd.

    These sanitized editions are useful to the rabbis: "See it's not there." Or "The tractate is about 'Balaam'"

    In the sanitized тαℓмυd editions numerous code word substitutions are used for Christians (min, Cuthean, Egyptian, Epicurean, etc.) and Jesus of Nazareth ("that man," "the carpenter," "Balaam," "ben Pandera, a reference to the тαℓмυd's teaching that Jesus was the b-stard of a wh-re who committed adultery with a Roman soldier named Pandera, and even blank spaces).

    The тαℓмυd (Torah SheBeal Peh) teaches that Jesus was a b-stard born of an adulterous relationship (Kallah 51a) of a wh-re (Sanhedrin 106a) and that He is now in Hell boiling in feces because he "worshipped a brick" and, sem-n because he is accused of sɛҳuąƖ perversion. (Gittin 57a).

    The тαℓмυd Sanhedrin 43a boasts that the Sanhedrin convicted Jesus and, at the Jєωιѕн court's instigation, He was crucified, “hanged,” even though the Romans were “inclined toward acquittal” of Jesus; therefore Jєωιѕн denial and blame-shifting to the Romans is a lie. The infamous Toldoth Jeschu, Maimonides' Hilkoth Akun V, 3 and Letter to Yemen), and the 1905 Jєωιѕн Encyclopedia (page 170), all boast of Jєωιѕн responsibility for Christ's death. The тαℓмυd notes that Jesus deserved four more deaths. Sanhedrin 52a suggests Jesus should have been strangled while immersed in dung. There are other тαℓмυdic passages that describe Jesus as an idolatrous sex freak, practicing black magic —and more


    Pursuing the anti-Biblical nature of Judaism and its тαℓмυd:

    “On the surface, Scripture plays little role in the Mishanaic system, The Mishnah [of the тαℓмυd] rarely cites a verse of Scripture, refers to Scripture as an entity, links its own ideas to those of Scripture, or lays claim to originate in what Scripture has said, even by indirect or remote allusion to a Scriptural verse of teaching... Formally, redactionally, and linguistically the Mishnah stands in splendid isolation from Scripture....the Mishnah constitutes Torah. [definition #2 ‘Written Torah’] It too is a statement of revelation, 'Torah revealed to Moses at Sinai.' But this part of revelation has come down in a form different from the well-known, written part, the Scripture. This tradition truly deserves the name 'tradition,' because for a long time it was handed down orally, not in writing, until given the written formulation now before us in the Mishnah.... Since some of the named authorities in the chain of tradition appear throughout the materials of the Mishnah, the claim is that what these people say comes to them from Sinai through the processes of qabbalah and massoret --handing down 'traditioning.' So the reason... that the Mishnah does not cite Scripture is that it does not have to.” [Rabbi Jacob Neusner, The Mishnah: A New Translation. New Haven CT: Yale University Press, 1988. pp. xxxv-xxxvi].

    Note the casual admission that both “qabbalah and massoret [the vaunted, but bowdlerized, ‘Hebrew Bible’]” change Scripture through “process,” “traditioning.” In Judaism tradition is not fixed or faithful, but is an ever-changing “process” that is described as “traditioning.” This is why “the latest Responsa and homiletical interpretations of the rabbis” are Torah, [definition #4] hence authoritative in Judaism.

    Indeed all this oral “traditioning” is precisely what Jesus fingered as “make void the commandments of God for the traditions of men.” [Mark 7:9]. Since the rabbis are free to “alter even the very content of Mosaic revelation” with impunity, we begin to understand why Jesus said, “there is one that accuseth you, Moses” [John 5:45-47].

    Do not be misled by a rabbi's mere mention of the word Torah. You must pin him down: "Which 'Torah'?" Then watch out for the pilpul, mental reservations, and Kol Nidre deceit that will inevitably follow.

    “Jєωιѕн Mysticism- According to Rabbi Steinsaltz, Jєωιѕн mysticism – or Kabbalah – is the official theology of the Jєωιѕн people. Although the world of Kabbalah is profoundly symbolic and abstract, its teachings are of tremendous significance to the individual and to society alike. Its influences are evident in all Jєωιѕн spheres – the prayer book, the тαℓмυd, and Jєωιѕн philosophy. Kabbalah is not a separate area of Torah knowledge, but rather the hidden, spiritual dimension of the revealed aspects of the Torah. These revealed facets of Torah – such as halakha (Jєωιѕн law) – speak primarily about visible, physical things; Kabbalah, on the other hand, speaks directly about spiritual entities, like the system of olamot (spiritual “worlds,” or graduated levels of reality) and sefirot (divine “attributes,” or channels of divine energy) through which God creates, sustains and directs the universe. It also discusses the interaction between those entities and the performance of mitzvot in the physical world. It is for this reason that Kabbalah has been called the soul of the Torah.
    The character of Kabbalah is perhaps manifested most clearly in Hasidut. By changing the terminology of Kabbalah yet maintaining its messages, Hasidut offers a simpler, more accessible way of unlocking its secrets. The Hasidic movement, which has prompted dramatic changes in the outlook of the Jєωιѕн people, began in the late 18th century with the teachings of Rabbi Yisrael Ba’al Shem Tov. By re-emphasizing the value of every Jєω, the Ba’al Shem Tov provided his disciples with the opportunity to link the individual closer to the Almighty. Hasidism has breathed new vitality into Jєωιѕн life, offering an alternate route to the arduous and, for some, unattainable path of study.”
    http://www.steinsaltz.org/content.php?pg=Introduction&ID=65
    "тαℓмυd --- The authoritative body of Jєωιѕн law and lore accuмulated over a period of seven centuries (c. 200 BCE - c. 500 CE) in Erets Israel and Babylonia." —The New Encyclopedia of Judaism, Geoffrey Wigoder, editor in Chief, New York: New York University Press, 2002, ISBN 0814793996, page 747

    The Novus Ordo’s Offertory was lifted from the same Torah SheBe'al Peh ("Oral Torah" = тαℓмυd http://www.Jєωιѕнencyclopedia.com/view.jsp?artid=113&letter=O  ) that blasphemes the Holy Family:
    http://www.catholictradition.org/Eucharist/roman-mass4.htm

    What God judged as “voiding the commandments of God for the traditions of men” [Mark 7:6-9]:
    There are verses in the Torah that were explained away by the rabbis of the тαℓмυd as either not applying any longer, never applying or they get made so complex to enact that they eventually fall away.

    …The Torah condones the death penalty while the тαℓмυd pretty much outlaws it. [see Hoffman’s analysis] The Torah tells us to take our malcontent children to the gates of the city and if they can't be reformed by the elders, to stone them to death. The тαℓмυd tells us that never happened and never should happen. Sorry!

    And, in the reverse, the Torah is pretty clear about what keeping kosher should look like, and it is pretty simple, while the rabbis of the тαℓмυd and later codes expanded the laws and made them quite complex. We have a long history of interpreting our Torah, redefining its meaning, and using very advanced and creative hermeneutical tools to either alter, or in some cases, downright change, what the original meaning seems to have been. We have the principle of PARDES, which is a rabbinic literary invention, whereby each word of the Torah has four levels of interpretation: the literal meaning, peshat, a more subtle or hinting reading, remez, a creative commentary, drash, and a totally hidden or mysterious meaning, sod. Through this technique, and many others, commentators, most famously Rashi, 11th century in France, have sometimes completely changed the text from what it literally says.
    “The Torah, The Constitution, and the 4th of July” Rabbi Joshua Levine Grater, Spiritual leader, Pasadena Jєωιѕн Temple and Center, Huffington Post, July 2, 2011
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/rabbi-joshua-levine-grater/the-torah-the-constitutio_b_889180.html
    Analysis by Michael A. Hoffman II:
    http://revisionistreview.blogspot.com/2011/07/тαℓмυd-and-constitution.html



    When a rabbi's lips are moving and he mentions "Torah," you must ask, "WHICH Torah?"

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    You will learn more about the Jєωιѕн spirirt after they completely
    taken over the U.S. since 1975.

    We are all Jєωs now except the few Traditional Catholics that are
    still out there.


    Unfortunately. I grew up in the Southern Baptist church and attended several other even more evangelical churches until I converted. I noticed the Judaizing from an early age. For instance, I do not have a Christian name. Few people in my church do. They are all Old Testament names. Friends I grew up were not Stephen and Andrew and Paul, they were David and Jacob and Job. There was a woman in my last church that wore a shield of David necklace all the time, and always tried to get people to start following OT law like dietary laws. Israel was always defended no matter what atrocities were committed by them.

    What is sad is that Traditional Catholicism is TRUE Judaism, which was abandoned by the Jєωs long, long ago, at least as far back as the Babylonian exile, where they took up their captors' Baal worship.


    The names of the saints of the old law are Christian names as much as they are Jєωιѕн ones.  They are canonized saints and commemorated on the Eastern liturgical calendars.  It has never been the custom to commemorate their feast days in the west, but that does not make them any less saints of the Catholic Church.


    That's true, and I don't mean to say the OT fathers were not saintly or there are no OT Saints (I know that Joshua son of Nun is actually a saint, so I guess I do have a Christian name), but my point is that it is very widespread practice in S. Baptist church to place the Old Testament even above the Gospel of Jesus Christ. They live in the OT- they think OT. The naming is just one example of that- I know very few S. Baptists with New Testament names. They seem to glorify the OT and place it first, in my opinion. That's what I've seen my entire life, anyways.


    Okay.  I see your point.  Thanks.
    Stir up within Thy Church, we beseech Thee, O Lord, the Spirit with which blessed Josaphat, Thy Martyr and Bishop, was filled, when he laid down his life for his sheep: so that, through his intercession, we too may be moved and strengthen by the same Spir