As we were discussing on an earlier thread, a key swing demographic for Trump doing better than Romney would be among Evangelicals and other blue-collar conservatives. Despite having some reservations about Trump, Evangelicals (who comprise over 25% of the electorate) voted for Trump over Hilary by a gap of about 65 percentage points (81-16). Pence's appointment as VP in particular was critical and a lot of these voters made their final decision to support Trump quite late. In the end, Trump won quite handily thanks to them.

Catholics also voted for Trump over Clinton, but by a smaller margin than Evangelicals, around 52 to 45 %. In the coming years, Catholics, Evangelicals and other conservatives should look to keep and sustain a moral majority.

http://www.christianitytoday.com/gleanings/2016/november/trump-elected-president-thanks-to-4-in-5-white-evangelicals.html

Reply to Hollingsworth:

"Evangelicals" are the equivalent of the Traditional Catholic in the Protestant world.  They are are scripture-believing conservatives.

Liberals do not attend "Evangelical" churches.  In the Protestant world, if you think a church is too liberal, you leave and find one that is more to your liking.  So like minded people gather together.  

Liberal Protestants attend churches like the ELCA Lutheran church, (the Lutheran church that met with Francis), not the Missouri Synod or Wisconsin Synod Lutheran churches.  (The last two would most probably self-identify as "Evangelicals".  They would also not be caught dead speaking to the pope!)

Trump declares, of course, that he is fully on board with Israel and Jєωιѕн interests in general.

It seems he only supports Counterfeit Israel's existence. Everything else he campaigned on is against their ideologies.

But until and unless both  trads and Evangelicals begin to realize that the Jєωs are at the bottom of much of this mess, and are largely responsible for creating many of the  problems which Trump addresses, I see little hope for any permanent solution to our social, economic and military ills, much less, any significant move towards a truly Christian society.

Yeah, Catholics and Evangelicals are only coincidentally/seemingly of one mind.

Where we might differ with them, aside from the obvious religious differences, is their attitude toward the Jєωs.  Many trads are pretty clear about the problems posed by the Jєωs in our society.  On the other hand, the Evangelicals, for the most part, embrace this mischievous race, and fully identify with so-called 'ʝʊdɛօ/Christian' values.  

Trump declares, of course, that he is fully on board with Israel and Jєωιѕн interests in general.  (So also, ironically, is the Fellay-led SSPX, I think. ) I see that many of the legitimate issues raised by Trump during his campaign will be seriously undermined in the years to come by 'hidden hand' of sinister, entrenched Jєωry, unless, together, we finally wake up.

Israel Shamir, a Russian-Israeli writer who lives in Jerusalem, has this to say about Jєωs and the Trump victory:

What about the Jєωs? I’ll surprise you: despite many dark hints to the contrary, Israelis were happy with Trump’s victory. The US citizens living in Israel voted for Trump. Religious Jєωs (in Israel and in the US) voted for Trump. There was a hysterical scream in the Jєωιѕн liberal camp, among the gαy parade Jєωs, or among financial Jєωs, but this is a small though voluble part of Jєωιѕн population.

Indeed Hillary propaganda warriors claimed that all the Jєωs support Clinton and are afraid of Trump. But not every Jєωιѕн woman is called Janet Yellen; not every Jєωιѕн man is George Soros (who is very unpopular in Israel) or the CEO of Goldman Sachs, Lloyd Blankfein. Conservative and observant Jєωs did not like the push against gender normalcy that seems to be the favorite topic for Clinton camp.

(source: this thread here)

Shamir is untrustworthy. I question his conversion. Unless a Jєωιѕн convert is hated by Jєωs then I don't think their conversion is genuine.

From India

https://mumbailaity.wordpress.com/2016/11/11/congrats-to-the-victor-trump-triumps-in-us-james-kottoor/

            Man proposes, God disposes! Triumph of Donald Trump, 70 years young, but oldest ever to become US president, is proof you can never trust people’s judgments starting with your own. CCV was terribly upset and disappointed already, when Bernie Sanders was sidelined for Clinton to lead the Democratic party. So as in India, there was no candidate to choose from. In fact people there were thirsting for change, tired of a two time rule of many unfulfilled promises by Democrats.

                    But when Obama himself, the ruling president and Michel Obama the first lady put their necks on the block as if for their own election victory – something US presidents never do — we reluctantly thought she might manage to pull through, but failed miserably. The election day itself was memorable, called Super Tuesday and 9/11.

                   The  underdog, Trump called the most divisive, inexperienced in politics seems to have surprised everyone  the world over, with  his  brief-bright-begone victory speech. To the cheering crowd  the unexpected  his words: “It is time for us to come together as one united people. Now it’s time for America to bind the wounds of division.” To the “white Americans” WASP(White American anglo-saxon protestant), to revive old memories, he said: “The forgotten men and women of our country will be forgotten no longer.” And he added: “To all Republicans and Democrats and independents across this nation, I say it is time for us to come together as one united people. It’s time. I pledge to every citizen of our land that I will be president for all Americans.” He repeated over and over again: “I will never ever let you down!”

Office Makes the Man

 “Office makes the man”, it is said. If the weight  of  the office of  presidency made him rethink globally, it augers well for US and to the whole world. For this we wish him well and extend our sincere congrats for rising up to the demands of his office as President, not just a controversial billionaire with whom the  Republicans themselves are not in full agreement. Factor is he wants to make America Great again.

 

                On relations with other countries his comment was: “We will seek common ground, not hostility. Partnership, not conflict.” As for India and Indians, he has professed himself to be a  “friend of Hindus” and he was all praise for Indians whom he labelled as brainy and smart. What he wanted of Indians is to stay in  US and build America, not to go back after yearning degrees there. There are already  five Indians in the US Congress.

                What is more his words on Hilary conceding defeat was very gracious: “Hillary has worked very long and very hard over a long period of time, and we owe her a major debt of gratitude for service to the country, I mean that very sincerely.” During campaign he had called her a liar who should be locked up and other unprintable names. In short the triumph of Trump was a literal repeat of “Brexit”, an explosion of the pent up frustration with the status quo of White people in UK and USA,  jobless and slipping out of  better possibility and visibility.

 

Contentless Campaign

    What surprised  us most and the whole world  was the hollowness of the whole election campaign debate which was focused totally on trivialities, name-calling and vilifying the contestants, instead of discussing  burning issues bothering the majority of middle class Americans like domestic insecurity, terrorism, influx of Muslims with radical vision of Islam, racial conflict killing blacks most of the time, job-loss to Mexicans ready to work for  $5/- per hour, minimum wage, influx of illegal immigrants, education, and health (threat to scrap Obama care), building walls of division instead of opening  boarders, outsourcing, Chinese debt and goods suffocating US, foreign policy and diminishing military might of the country, in short the election promises and platforms for the forthcoming four year period. Usually  parties contesting elections publish in advance their policies and  promises. Of course these platforms are to run on and not to stay on (stay on and fulfil).

 

       What is worse American media known for its excellence seemed to have chosen play ball with (especially with Hilary) the candidates to please as bedfellows,   not critics. The media went the whole hog, to live up to their present de-facto practice of “embedded journalism”. Not only the   American media, but printed and visual TV and electronica channels seems to have got fooled totally. All predicted a Clinton Victory and wrote off Trump from the realm even of possibility. Some even prepared in advance their cover page for Clinton. She on her part, for comfort, reportedly emerged as the winner of top popular vote catcher. As for electoral votes she could garner only 232 compared to 306 (only 270 needed to win) in a total of 538 electoral votes. Why? Because both the American and World press were totally focussed only on the positive side of Clinton and  the negative side of Trump. The fifth estate, supposed to be the watchman, critique of ground realities and predictor of danger signals appearing on the horizon failed miserably in this US elections. (Qui custodiet ipse custodies)Who will guard the guards themselves!

 Urgent Need: Change

                      The need of the day, any day, is not continuity but change for the better.  To stay still or to tread beaten track  is to slide down, not to go up or make progress. This was immortalized by the famous Ottaviani(cardinal) motto: “Semper Idem”, do the same, never change, which was and still is to some extent, the practice of the Catholic Church which was shell-shocked out of its practice of stagnation by Pope John XXIII with his call for aggiornomento (updating) by letting open the closed doors and windows to light and breeze form the outside.

 

                        It was this principle that Cardinal Newman hammered in years ago when he said: “It may be different in a higher world! But here below, to live is to change and to be perfect is to have changed more often.” That is why a fixed term – 4 year rule – is assigned for US presidency and similar rule for any public office in secular democratic governments. This must also become the thumb rule in the Catholic Church for office bearers – priests and bishops  — through constant transfers or retirement, since the proclaimed principle is “Ecclesia simper reformanda” (Church is to be constantly reformed). CCV has to assess happening around and apply them for its own better functioning, so this comment.

                The church preaches ad nauseam for change for the better, constant, reform, dialogue, discussion and consensus of the people of God, collegiality, co-responsibility, subsidiarity, in short, all best modern practices of secular institutions, but  practices  hardly any of them. To start with bishops, they hardly ever consult the laity, never respond even to their legitimate queries, never set up even mandated Parish and Financial committees at parish and diocesan councils. Bishops are elected for life, never retire even when incapacitated on their own like Pope Benedict. So they ought to forfeit their right to preach.

Hoping against Hope

         To come back to the topic we started dealing with. President  Trump’s elevation to US presidency, is an eye-opener for the whole world. He is a business man billionaire and real estate Mugul, married thrice with four children, with no experience in politics except his tree failed attempts to run for it.

 

              Recall the monkey jumping for the bitter grapes and not reaching it. But this time he succeeded and succeeded well surprising the world with additional number of votes than required. Still a green horn in politics, the world leaders are vying with one another to get into his good books. Even those who expressed worst fears are now sending  best compliments in an effort to make friends and influence people.

         To begin well is  half done, they say. One who has been notorious for off-the-cup dirty language has started on a very civilized and polite speech of camaraderie, collaboration, cooperation and conflict (enmity)  with none, augers well for the defeated candidate Hillary and critiques in US and the all over the world. It is said we all have to live in hope even if we have to die in despair. So may better light lead American democracy the oldest, Indian democracy the largest and all democracies around the world for a better world order building bridges, not walls of separation. God  bless Donald Trump, God bless America and God bless the comity of nations working in harmony!

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Cantarella:

Mmmm... Jєωs and atheists were the ones who voted for Hillary the most.

With the tiny exception, perhaps, of a tiny sliver of OT-oriented Orthodox Jєωry, most Jєωs are practical atheists.  Ask the average person, identifying himself as a 'Jєω,' who his G_d really is.  What are some of his/her divine characteristics?  How does that G_d act in history?  What are some definite marks of this G_d's presence among men? How has this G_d influenced the affairs of men for good, or evil, and affected the course of history.

I think you'll find, on balance, that most of these so-called Jєωs, in fact, worship themselves,  and their long awaited 'Messiah,' except for those few who even conceive vaguely of some kind of divine apotheosis, wait for the triumph of a secular messianic state,  achieving final victory over the gentiles and ruling them  with a rod of iron.

These are the "Jєωs" who strike fear and dread into our politicians.  Many of these same politicians flock to Israel during each election cycle, don their yamulkes, and feign cohabitation with a wall, which is probably the remains of Solomon's horse stable.

Hillary Clinton was their creation.  How does a poor young gal from Illinois become a U.S. senator from New York, the capitol of U.S. Jєωry?  She does it the old fashioned way, by essentially swearing fealty to the tribe.  She marries a young sex-crazed pervert from Arkansas, who has carefully cultivated Jєωιѕн ties since his student days at Oxford. He goes on to become president with overwhelming support from the Jєωs.  We all know the rest of the story.