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Offline InfiniteFaith

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« on: October 18, 2013, 11:02:43 PM »
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  • I have posted a quote from St. Nilus regarding the end times on this site before. I just stumbled on a bit more of his works. Here it goes...

    After the year 1900, toward the middle of the 20th century, the people of that time will become unrecognizable. When the time for the Advent of the Antichrist approaches, people’s minds will grow cloudy from carnal passions, and dishonor and lawlessness will grow stronger. Then the world will become unrecognizable.

    People’s appearances will change, and it will be impossible to distinguish men from women due to their shamelessness in dress and style of hair. These people will be cruel and will be like wild animals because of the temptations of the Antichrist. There will be no respect for parents and elders, love will disappear, and Christian pastors, Bishops and priests will become vain men, completely failing to distinguish the right-hand way from the left.

    At that time, the morals and traditions of Christians and of the Church will change. People will abandon modesty, and dissipation will reign. Falsehood and greed will attain great proportions, and woe to those who pile up treasures. Lust, adultery, ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity, secret deeds and murder will rule in society.
    At that future time, due to the power of such great crimes and licentiousness, people will be deprived of the grace of the Holy Spirit, which they received in Holy Baptism and equally of remorse.

    The Churches of God will be deprived of God-fearing and pious pastors, and woe to the Christians remaining in the world at that time; they will completely lose their faith because they will lack the opportunity of seeing the light of knowledge from anyone at all. Then they will separate themselves out of the world in holy refuges in search of lightening their spiritual sufferings, but everywhere they will meet obstacles and constraints. And all this will result from the fact that the Antichrist wants to be Lord over everything and become the ruler of the whole universe, and he will produce miracles and fantastic signs.

    He will also give depraved wisdom to an unhappy man so that he will discover a way by which one man can carry on a conversation with another from one end of the earth to the other. At that time men will also fly through the air like birds and descend to the bottom of the sea like fish. And when they have achieved all this, these unhappy people will spend their lives in comfort without knowing, poor souls, that it is deceit of the Antichrist. And, the impious one! – he will so complete science with vanity that it will go off the right path and lead people to lose faith in the existence of God in three hypostases.

    Then the All-good God will see the downfall of the human race and will shorten the days for the sake of those few who are being saved, because the enemy wants to lead even the chosen into temptation, if that is possible… then the sword of chastisement will suddenly appear and kill the Perverter [Antichrist] and his servants.

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    I just find his prophecies amazing. Look at how dead on he is about these things. He predicted telephones, airplanes, submarines, etc. Truly amazing!

    http://endtimes.cbkols.org/2012/08/17/#more-19


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    « Reply #1 on: October 18, 2013, 11:24:22 PM »
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  • I'd like to see more information about this supposed prophecy. Is it found in print in a source written/published before the modern era? It could very well be a forgery, although recognizing the corruption of the modern world should be a matter of common sense. No need for the additional testimony of prophets.




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    « Reply #2 on: October 19, 2013, 11:59:21 AM »
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  • Quote from: Vladimir
    I'd like to see more information about this supposed prophecy. Is it found in print in a source written/published before the modern era? It could very well be a forgery, although recognizing the corruption of the modern world should be a matter of common sense. No need for the additional testimony of prophets.

    Yeah I agree.

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    « Reply #3 on: October 19, 2013, 12:28:38 PM »
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  • But honestly, how do we know any of the prophecies of the Saints or even any of the teachings of the Early Church Fathers were not a forgery? Do we have any texts from over a 1000 years ago that we can refer to other than scripture?

    I would think the Vatican would have sources, but I don't think they are easily accessible.

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    « Reply #4 on: October 19, 2013, 12:53:02 PM »
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  • I really don't think it matters if such and such was a forgery or misattributed, etc. Without giving any examples, I wouldn't be surprised if occasionally such and such sermon or quote from a saint or one of the Desert Fathers is misattributed or perhaps based on later tradition that is not traceable to a contemporaneous written source. It hardly matters since books and written docuмents are but the "refuse" of the ancients. Their true value is discerned only from the spirit that they transmit whether or not they are forgeries or misattributed.

    Taken from the outer chapters of the Chuang-tzu:
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    Duke Huan, seated above in his hall, was (once) reading a book, and the wheelwright Bian was making a wheel below it. Laying aside his hammer and chisel, Bian went up the steps, and said, 'I venture to ask your Grace what words you are reading?' The duke said, 'The words of the sages.' 'Are those sages alive?' Bian continued. 'They are dead,' was the reply. 'Then,' said the other, 'what you, my Ruler, are reading are only the dregs and sediments of those old men.' The duke said, 'How should you, a wheelwright, have anything to say about the book which I am reading? If you can explain yourself, very well; if you cannot, you shall, die!' The wheelwright said, 'Your servant will look at the thing from the point of view of his own art. In making a wheel, if I proceed gently, that is pleasant enough, but the workmanship is not strong; if I proceed violently, that is toilsome and the joinings do not fit. If the movements of my hand are neither (too) gentle nor (too) violent, the idea in my mind is realised. But I cannot tell (how to do this) by word of mouth; there is a knack in it. I cannot teach the knack to my son, nor can my son learn it from me. Thus it is that I am in my seventieth year, and am (still) making wheels in my old age. But these ancients, and what it was not possible for them to convey, are dead and gone: so then what you, my Ruler, are reading is but their dregs and sediments!'


    This is why I hardly bat an eyelash whenever some scholar announces that this and that book or writing is actually a forgery made by later authors, etc. I really don't care - even if it is true. The words themselves don't really even matter, much less the author. What matters is what is transmited within the book.

    As for the prophecy of St. Nilus. It's really irrelevant to any of us whether or not it is true. Modern conveniences can serve either good or evil. Are telephones, automobiles, and airplanes all instruments of the Antichrist? Even if they are, why should it matter? God brings good out of evil. The devil is just the ape of God. If the best he could muster is the internet, telephones, automobiles, airplanes, etc (on which we can: read and purchase Catholic books, have edifying conversations, travel to mass more quickly, visit loved ones and make pilgrimages with greater convenience) then it is quite obvious that we have nothing to fear except our own human weakness which remains the same regardless of whether or not we are in the end times. Taken from this perspective, this prophecy, attributed to St. Nilus, really does not shed any additional light on the modern world or even really give us any useful advice for coping with it, of course assuming it's authentic in the first place.





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    « Reply #5 on: October 19, 2013, 12:57:38 PM »
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  • Personally, I find hypothesizing about the end times to be a fruitless endeavor.  No one, except the Father, knows when the day will be.  It could be tomorrow, but you might die today.  It doesn't matter.  Stay close to the Sacraments, and follow God's Law.  If you do that, it doesn't matter when the end times or your own end will be.

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    « Reply #6 on: October 19, 2013, 01:51:20 PM »
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  • Quote from: Dolores
    Personally, I find hypothesizing about the end times to be a fruitless endeavor.  No one, except the Father, knows when the day will be.  It could be tomorrow, but you might die today.  It doesn't matter.  Stay close to the Sacraments, and follow God's Law.  If you do that, it doesn't matter when the end times or your own end will be.


    I disagree.  God grants these prophecies in order to comfort and strengthen those living through the times in question.  If you see prophecies predicting the loss of faith, it makes us stronger in resisting it because we see that what's going on now is in God's plans.

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    « Reply #7 on: October 19, 2013, 01:58:15 PM »
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  • Quote from: Ladislaus
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    Personally, I find hypothesizing about the end times to be a fruitless endeavor.  No one, except the Father, knows when the day will be.  It could be tomorrow, but you might die today.  It doesn't matter.  Stay close to the Sacraments, and follow God's Law.  If you do that, it doesn't matter when the end times or your own end will be.


    I disagree.  God grants these prophecies in order to comfort and strengthen those living through the times in question.  If you see prophecies predicting the loss of faith, it makes us stronger in resisting it because we see that what's going on now is in God's plans.


    That's assuming the prophecy is genuine and that it was meant for the public, rather than the individual who received it.  There's a reason the Church never requires the faithful to believe in prophecy or apparitions:  they can't be easily verified, and none of them (even one as monumental is Fatima) is necesary for salvation.


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    « Reply #8 on: October 19, 2013, 02:09:01 PM »
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  • Correct, if it's genuine.  But despite the fact that Fatima is not necessary for salvation, God DID send Our Lady to Fatima FOR A REASON.  While it was not necessary for their salvation for the Kings of France to consecrate France to the Sacred Heart of Jesus either, I suspected that they regretted not having done so when Louis XVI was guillotined.

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    « Reply #9 on: October 19, 2013, 03:31:32 PM »
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  • Quote from: Dolores
    Personally, I find hypothesizing about the end times to be a fruitless endeavor.  No one, except the Father, knows when the day will be.  It could be tomorrow, but you might die today.  It doesn't matter.  Stay close to the Sacraments, and follow God's Law.  If you do that, it doesn't matter when the end times or your own end will be.


    Maybe to some extent. I have done a fair amount of research into the topic over the last 4 years or so. We don't know anything for sure, but we can say that there is a good chance we are in the beginning of it all. For me, it has actually helped confirm my Faith at times. I see a lot of what has been prophesied coming true. You also have to consider that scripture says to "keep watch". So I guess thats what I am doing.

    Given that at least some of the prophecies were truly revealed by God to some individuals...one can conclude that it was meant to be revealed. They are sort of a guideline for us to follow as to what times we are living in. They give us a heads up on what our situation is, and what we are dealing with. I personally like to know these things.

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    « Reply #10 on: October 19, 2013, 08:27:03 PM »
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  • Hogwash!  I think it does matter what the truth is.

    This quote obviously is of recent origin. It has been circulating for years among traditional-leaning Catholics who aren't in a position to investigate.

    Way back, I offered a reward of a couple of McDonald's coupons or something to show the pedigree for this little offering.

    An official compilation has existed of the sayings of the Desert Fathers for a long, long time.

    The only connection I've found goes to a Father Hugh Thwaities out of England as promoted by an Our Lady of the Rosary out of Kentucky.