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Offline Trinity

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« on: May 30, 2010, 07:46:39 AM »
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  • I am starting this thread to pick your brains.  I want to know more about human dignity, just as I wanted to know more about heaven.  I now know more about heaven.  Thank you all.  
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    « Reply #1 on: May 30, 2010, 11:53:28 PM »
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  •   Great topic. I love it verrrrrrrrrrrrrrrry much and can write many pages about this, just based on what I saw in the world around me comparing it to what Catholicism says:

      The Canonization of the illitarate, the handicapted, the children born of sin, the poor and all the despised categories of people just exposes the foolishness of the world's standards of dignity.

      The Church's fight with the abortionists, the euthanasia and other such evils proves that even if a human being can't use his brain, even if he can't 'work for the good of society', he is still possessing the human dignity.

      Just think about a one week old fetus who is going to be a horribly disabled person with IQ below 10. You can kill an expensive horse without being a murderer, but about that embroyo it is said:

    Thou shalt not kill. Because it is human. Although we know that some animals are more inteligent than him (they can have IQ 17) still that sick person is more precious than all of them in the eyes of God....


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    « Reply #2 on: May 31, 2010, 12:16:22 AM »
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  • Just treat every person with respect and charity, and
    without malice. Also be truthful, and never deceive
    with trickery, and covetousness, and greed.

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    « Reply #3 on: May 31, 2010, 07:37:10 AM »
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  • O, Spouse of Jesus, please write those pages.  Especially with your enthusiasm, it would be a blessing for all of us.  And RomanCatholic, I think you could expound even more on how to deal with our dignity.
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    « Reply #4 on: May 31, 2010, 08:32:18 AM »
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  • I've been thinking of some of the issues I had which brought me to start this thread and I think I can verbalize them now.

    Is our dignity encased in God's dignity?  Do we disrespect Him when we disrespect one another?

    Does the 4th commandment come under this?  Must we respect only our own parents and authorities or all elders?

    As RomanCatholic pointed out, doesn't our respect or disrepect go both ways?
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    « Reply #5 on: May 31, 2010, 10:19:23 AM »
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  • If every person, and nation, including Israel
    respected human dignity in a Christian sense.
    We would not have the Judgments of God coming
    upon us such as the oil gushers in the Gulf, and
    the persistent threats of WW3.

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    « Reply #6 on: May 31, 2010, 10:28:11 AM »
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  • Sin is the reason for wars and disease.  Jesus said, whatsoever you do to the least of my brothers, that you do unto Me.
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    « Reply #7 on: May 31, 2010, 10:39:53 AM »
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  • Quote from: Trinity
    Sin is the reason for wars and disease.  Jesus said, whatsoever you do to the least of my brothers, that you do unto Me.


    Your Correct.

    I want to add that the lack of human dignity, and respect
    results in sin.


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    « Reply #8 on: May 31, 2010, 10:45:50 AM »
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  • And going both ways.  When we disrespect another we destroy our own dignity.
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    « Reply #9 on: May 31, 2010, 10:49:06 AM »
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    And going both ways.  When we disrespect another we destroy our own dignity.


    Give me an Example!

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    « Reply #10 on: May 31, 2010, 10:58:50 AM »
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  • Oh, you are pressing me, RomanCatholic.  I started this thread to learn, hoping you had the answers.  But don't you think that in doing the devil's work, we debase ourselves?
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    « Reply #11 on: May 31, 2010, 11:12:51 AM »
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    Oh, you are pressing me, RomanCatholic.  I started this thread to learn, hoping you had the answers.  But don't you think that in doing the devil's work, we debase ourselves?


    We got to realize that being Christian Catholics, and that we
    are a minority. We must learn, and put into practice every
    virtue. Just because the environment is overwhelming
    ungodly, and secular. The temptations are so great to
    surrender to this ungodly age. We must struggle to
    overcome temptations through prayer, mortification,
    fasting. Finding a Holy Confessor.
    Use the online library. There are many holy and
    inspiration books that will lead you to the correct
    path to eternal salvation.

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    « Reply #12 on: May 31, 2010, 11:23:18 AM »
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  • One can read libraries and never find that bit of information they are looking for.  Or, contrarily, never think to look for.  By asking questions, we have the resources of many to help us.
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    « Reply #13 on: May 31, 2010, 11:25:29 AM »
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  • Is our dignity encased in God's dignity?  Do we disrespect Him when we disrespect one another?

    Yes. We disrespect God when we disrespect each other, because God is our creator. Just as we would disrespect the artist of a painting by flinging mud at that painting, we can also disrespect God in the same way. Furthermore, God created us to be saints, and to spend eternity in Heaven with Him. (Whether we actually do that or not is, of course, our own choice.) But since we were created by God, loved by God enough for Him to give His life for us, and so forth, we are not on a level with the animals. We are loved by Him, and when we disrespect, wrong or hurt each other, we are doing those things to something (or someone) that God loves, and has loved enough to die on the Cross for. I'm sure there are lots of implications of disrespect and ingratitude there, to say nothing of disobedience to the law of God, that we should love one another, and do good to even our enemies.


    Does the 4th commandment come under this?  Must we respect only our own parents and authorities or all elders?

    We should respect all human beings in one sense or another. Granted, of course, that those in authority over us deserve a special kind of respect for their office and authority, even if they themselves are rotten, horrible people. (Because the authority comes from God and is God's, even if the person carrying it is rotten.) When we disrespect those in authority over us, we disrespect the authority God has given them. Elders, I think, should be respected for their seniority and wisdom, but also we must remember that we need to have a respect for every human being because of what they are (a creature of God, and a soul God loves), and because God has commanded it.


    By the law of charity, we are NOT commanded to simply be abused by everybody. But there are cases in which we ought to bear even abuse, because the person has authority, and we must respect their office. (Eg, we must "turn the other cheek" sometimes.) In terms of everyone in general, we should obviously try to preserve ourselves from being abused or mistreated... however we are not given the right to seek revenge, to lash back at people, or to mistreat them in return. Walking away so someone doesn't verbally abuse you is one thing. Sinking to their level and bashing them back is NOT acceptable. Walking away, even if it means "being rude" by ignoring them, is simply you trying not to violate the law of charity. Bashing them back is you breaking that law.

    We must learn to think of souls as the saints thought of them... creatures of God which Our Lord loved enough to suffer and die in order to save. If we contemplate the love He bears for each one of us, and the desire with which He desired for us to be saved, we realize quickly how it will look to Him if we, on the other hand, see nothing wrong with disrespecting or mistreating those souls He loved so dearly.

    Words were attributed to Our Lord, to the effect of "If only each soul knew how much I love them. If only they knew EACH soul is My favorite." (Anyone with "I Wait For You" can correct the quote if it's wrong.) But we need to understand this fact about God... that no matter how rotten people may be, GOD loves them. He wants them to be saved, even if we are tempted to hate and despise them. But if we cultivate in ourselves a true and deep love of God, then it becomes ever more impossible for us to hate or despise anyone, because in time, we realize that God loves them, how MUCH God loves them, and we cannot bring ourselves any longer to hate what God loves. This is true love, both of God and neighbor... to love ALL men, because God loves them, and to desire good for them, and above all, their eternal salvation. To do good to all men as much as we can (and as much as is prudent), and to pray for all men.

    Understanding the love God has for each of us, and loving Him so much that we cannot help but love what He loves, is the key. That is what real charity is all about.

    I renounce any and all of my former views against what the Church through Pope Leo XIII said, "This, then, is the teaching of the Catholic Church ...no one of the several forms of government is in itself condemned, inasmuch as none of them contains anythi

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    « Reply #14 on: May 31, 2010, 11:30:33 AM »
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  • Oh, well said, Dulcamara.  For some reason while reading that I remember what St James (I think) said, Man's anger does not work God's justice.
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