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The Defection of the Vatican
« Reply #15 on: December 14, 2006, 11:03:54 AM »
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  • Man, I can't find ANYTHING today.  I went looking for an article about Isabella helping the Jєωs and found all kinds of condemnation of her for kicking them out.  Here's what the Jєωs themselves have to say.

    Jєωιѕн History Sourcebook:
    The Expulsion from Spain, 1492 CE

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    In the spring of 1492, shortly after the Moors were driven out of Granada, Ferdinand and Isabella of Spain expelled all the Jєωs from their lands and thus, by a stroke of the pen, put an end to the largest and most distinguished Jєωιѕн settlement in Europe. The expulsion of this intelligent, cultured, and industrious class was prompted only in part by the greed of the king and the intensified nationalism of the people who had just brought the crusade against the Muslim Moors to a glorious close. The real motive was the religious zeal of the Church, the Queen, and the masses. The official reason given for driving out the Jєωs was that they encouraged the Marranos to persist in their Jєωιѕнness and thus would not allow them to become good Christians.

    The following account gives a detailed and accurate picture of the expulsion and its immediate consequences for Spanish Jєωry. It was written in Hebrew by an Italian Jєω in April or May, 1495.

    And in the year 5252 [1492], in the days of King Ferdinand, the Lord visited the remnant of his people a second time [the first Spanish visitation was in 1391], and exiled them. After the King had captured the city of Granada from the Moors, and it had surrendered to him on the 7th [2d] of January of the year just mentioned, he ordered the expulsion of all the Jєωs in all parts of his kingdom-in the kingdoms of Castile, Catalonia, Aragon, Galicia, Majorca, Minorca, the Basque provinces, the islands of Sardinia and Sicily, and the kingdom of Valencia. Even before that the Queen had expelled them from the kingdom of Andalusia [1483]

    The King gave them three months' time in which to leave. It ,vas announced in public in every city on the first of May, which happened to be the 19th day of the Omer, and the term ended on the day before the 9th of Ab. [The forty-nine days between the second of Passover and Shabuot are called Omer days. The actual decree of expulsion was signed March 31 and announced the first of May, the 19th day of the Omer. The Jєωs were to leave during in May, June, and July and be out of the country by August I, the 8th of Ab.]

    About their number there is no agreement, but, after many inquiries, I found that the most generally accepted estimate is 50,000 families, or, as others say, 53,000- [This would be about 250,000 persons. Other estimates run from 100,000 to 800,000.] They had houses, fields, vineyards, and cattle, and most of them were artisans. At that time there existed many [тαℓмυdic] academies in Spain, and at the head of the greatest of them were Rabbi Isaac Aboab in Guadalajara [probably the greatest Spanish rabbi of his day], Rabbi Isaac Veçudó in Leon, and Rabbi Jacob Habib in Salamanca [later author of a famous collection of the non-legal parts of the тαℓмυd, the En Yaakob]. In the last named city there was a great expert in mathematics, and whenever there was any doubt on mathematical questions in the Christian academy of that city they referred them to him. His name was Abraham Zacuto. [This famous astronomer encouraged the expedition of Vasco da Gama.] . . .

    In the course of the three months' respite granted them they endeavoured to effect an arrangement permitting them to stay on in the country, and they felt confident of success. Their representatives were the rabbi, Don Abraham Seneor, the leader of the Spanish congregations, who was attended by a retinue on thirty mules, and Rabbi Meïr Melamed, who was secretary to the King, and Don Isaac Abravanel [1437-1508], who had fled to Castile from the King of Portugal, and then occupied an equally prominent position at the Spanish royal court. He, too, was later expelled, went to Naples, and was highly esteemed by the King of Naples. The aforementioned great rabbi, Rabbi Isaac of Leon, used to call this Don Abraham Seneor: "Soné Or" ["Hater of Light," a Hebrew pun on Seneor], because he was a heretic, and the end proved that he was right, as he was converted to Christianity at the age of eighty, he and all his family, and Rabbi Meïr Melamed with him . [Seneor and his son-in-law, Meïr, were converted June 15, 1492; Ferdinand and Isabella were among the sponsors.] Don Abraham had arranged the nuptials between the King and the Queen. The Queen was the heiress to the throne, and the King one of the Spanish nobility. On account of this, Don Abraham was appointed leader of the Jєωs, but not with their consent.

    The agreement permitting them to remain in the country on the payment of a large sum of money was almost completed when it was frustrated by the interference of a prior who was called the Prior of Santa Cruz. [Legend relates that Torquemada, Prior of the convent of Santa Cruz, thundered, with crucifix aloft, to the King and Queen: "Judas Iscariot sold his master for thirty pieces of silver. Your Highness would sell him anew for thirty thousand. Here he is, take him, and barter him away."] Then the Queen gave an answer to the representatives of the Jєωs, similar to the saying of King Solomon [ProverbS 2 1: 1]: "The king's heart is in the hand of the Lord, as the rivers of water. God turneth it withersoever He will." She said furthermore: "Do you believe that this comes upon you from us? The Lord hath put this thing into the heart of the king." [Isabella says it is God's will that the Jєωs be expelled.]

    Then they saw that there was evil determined against them by the King, and they gave up the hope of remaining. But the time had become short, and they had to hasten their exodus from Spain. They sold their houses, their landed estates, and their cattle for very small prices, to save themselves. The King did not allow them to carry silver and gold out of his country, so that they were compelled to exchange their silver and gold for merchandise of cloths and skins and other things- [Ever since 1480 Jєωs and Gentiles were forbidden to export precious metal, the source of a nation's wealth.]

    One hundred and twenty thousand of them went to Portugal, according to a compact which a prominent man, Don Vidal bar Benveniste del Cavalleria, had made with the King of Portugal, and they paid one ducat for every soul, and the fourth part of all the merchandise they had carried thither; and he allowed them to stay in his country six months. This King acted much worse toward them than the King of Spain, and after the six months had elapsed he made slaves of all those that remained in his country, and banished seven hundred children to a remote island to settle it, and all of them died. Some say that there were double as many. Upon them the Scriptural word was fulfilled [Deuteronomy 28:32]: "Thy sons and thy daughters shall be given unto another people, etc" [all Spanish Jєωs, who were still in Portugal in 1493, were enslaved by King John (1481-1495). The children were sent to the isle of St. Thomas, off the coast of Africa.] He also ordered the congregation of Lisbon, his capital, not to raise their voice in their prayers, that the Lord might not hear their complaining about the violence that was done unto them.

    Many of the exiled Spaniards went to Mohammedan countries, to Fez, Tlemçen, and the Berber provinces, under the King of Tunis. [These North African lands are across the Mediterranean from Spain.] On account of their large numbers the Moors did not allow them into their cities, and many of them died in the fields from hunger, thirst, and lack of everything. The lions and bears, which are numerous in this country, killed some of them while they lay starving outside of the cities. A Jєω in the kingdom of Tlemçen, named Abraham, the viceroy who ruled the kingdom, made part of them come to this kingdom, and he spent a large amount of money to help them. The Jєωs of Northern Africa were very charitable toward them. A part of those who went to Northern Africa, as they found no rest and no place that would receive them, returned to Spain, and became converts, and through them the prophecy of Jeremiah was fulfilled [Lamentations 1:13]: "He hath spread a net for my feet, he hath turned me back." For, originally, they had all fled for the sake of the unity of God; only a very few had become converts throughout all the boundaries of Spain; they did not spare their fortunes; yea, parents escaped without having regard to their children.

    When the edict of expulsion became known in the other countries, vessels came from Genoa to the Spanish harbors to carry away the Jєωs. The crews of these vessels, too, acted maliciously and meanly toward the Jєωs, robbed them, and delivered some of them to the famous pirate of that time who was called the Corsair of Genoa. To those who escaped and arrived at Genoa the people of the city showed themselves merciless, and oppressed and robbed them, and the cruelty of their wicked hearts went so far that they took the infants from the mothers' breasts.

    Many ships with Jєωs, especially from Sicily, went to the city of Naples on the coast. The King of this country was friendly to the Jєωs, received them all, and was merciful towards them, and he helped them with money. The Jєωs that were at Naples supplied them with food as much as they could, and sent around to the other parts of Italy to collect money to sustain them. The Marranos in this city lent them money on pledges without interest; even the. Dominican Brotherhood acted mercifully toward them. [The Dominican monks were normally bitterly opposed to Jєωs.] On account of their very large number, all this was not enough. Some of them died by famine, others sold their children to Christians to sustain their life. Finally, a plague broke out among them, spread to Naples, and very many of them died, so that the living wearied of burying the dead.

    Part of the exiled Spaniards went over sea to Turkey. Some of them were thrown into the sea and drowned, but those who arrived, there the King of Turkey received kindly, as they were artisans. He lent them money and settled many of them on an island, and gave them fields and estates. [The Turks needed smiths and makers of munitions for the war against Christian Europe.]

    A few of the exiles were dispersed in the countries of Italy, in the city of Ferrara, in the [papal] countries of Romagna, the March, and Patrimonium, and in Rome. . . .

    He who said unto His world, Enough, may He also say Enough unto our sufferings, and may He look down upon our impotence. May He turn again, and have compassion upon us, and hasten out salvation. Thus may it be Thy will!

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    « Reply #16 on: December 14, 2006, 11:32:38 AM »
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  • 1490. Toledo. This is a most important case, the circuмstances of which have been clarified for us by W. T. Walsh in his interesting book on Isabella of Spain, 1931 (Sheed & Ward), in which he devotes pp. 441 to 468 to his researches on this Ritual Murder charge. Had it not been for Mr. Walsh, I might have been influenced by the Jєωιѕн Encyclopedia's statement (1903, Vol. II1, p. 262) that "Modern historians even deny that a child had disappeared at all" in this case!

    Strenuous efforts were made by Loeb and H. C. Lea to clear the Jєωs from guilt of this murder; as also by Abbe Vacandard. Walsh shows that on 17th October, 1490, a Jєω named Yuce confessed to having been present at the crucifixion of a boy called Christopher at La Guardian near Toledo. He made this confession without the "aid" of any torture; he was not even threatened with that for one year after his confession.

    On 19th July, 1491, Yuce was promised immunity from punishment for himself and described the whole crucifixion and gave the names of his accomplices. On 25th October, 1491, a jury of seven noted Renaissance scholars who occupied the Chairs at Salamanca University examined the case and were unanimous in finding Yuce guilty. Not until after this did Yuce undergo torture. This torture was applied to make him say for what reason the boy Christopher had been crucified instead of being killed in any other way; but no "leading" questions were employed in the examination.

    After this, the case went before a second jury of five learned men of Avila, who considered the evidence concerning Yuce's accomplices, who had been arrested and under examination; they unanimously declared them guilty. Eight Jєωs (some of them Marranos. or pretended converts to Christianity) were executed.

    Writing of the efforts made to discredit the trials in this case, Walsh says (p. 464): "Must we assume that they (the two learned juries) were all murderous fanatics, willing to sacrifice innocent men, and that Dr. Leob, Dr. Lea, and on the Catholic side the somewhat too credulous Abbe Vacandard were better qualified to weigh the evidence after the lapse of four centuries?"

    Walsh is not an "αnтι-ѕємιтє." He is a historian, and has not suggested that ritual murder is part or any official Jєωιѕн ceremony. But he says: "The historian, far from being obliged to make wholesale vindication of all Jєωs accused of murder, is free, in fact, bound to consider each individual case upon its merits."

    Walsh states (p. 441) that this case of Ritual Murder was "one of the chief factors, if not the decisive one, in the decision of Fernando and Isabel" (for the expulsion of the Jєωs from Spain).

     He shows that the complete record of testimony in the trial of one of the accused has been available since it was published in 1887 in the Bulletin of the Royal Academy at Madrid (Vol. XI, pp. 7-160), from the original manuscript. (This was, of course, before the Red revolution!)

    Walsh charges Lea, the pro-Jєωιѕн author, of intellectual dishonesty (p. 628) in writing in his Inquisition in Spain decrying the influential men who were jurors in this case.
    "If the Inquisitors sent eight men to a shameful death without being convinced beyond a reasonable doubt of their guilt, the honest verdict of history cannot shrink from finding not only Torquemada and his judges, but King Fernando and Queen Isabel, Cardinal Mendoza and several of the most illustrious professors of Salamanca University guilty of complicity in one of the most brutal judicial murders on record?" (Walsh, p. 442.)


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    « Reply #17 on: December 14, 2006, 11:39:14 AM »
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  • Finally, we must record that the murdered boy was canonised as St. Christopher on the authority of Pope Pius VII.

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    « Reply #18 on: December 14, 2006, 11:49:00 AM »
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  • Quote from: Trinity
    Man, I can't find ANYTHING today.  I went looking for an article about Isabella helping the Jєωs and found all kinds of condemnation of her for kicking them out.  Here's what the Jєωs themselves have to say.


    Me neither,doing better replying to something you post.  :surprised:

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    « Reply #19 on: December 14, 2006, 12:37:38 PM »
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  • This does seem to be taking a different course.  You did a great deal better than I did, Anty.  As usual.  But I think it will take Dawn to tie this aspect in.

    I wonder.  Should we try to trace the their work of Christian destruction which they carried out through masonry?  Or should we just say that they created and used this evil institution for this end?
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    « Reply #20 on: December 14, 2006, 01:00:09 PM »
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  • I would say that would be the intentions of the 'secret societies' today to do away with christianity.

    In the beginning a few may have been created to do good but after the infiltration that changed.

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    « Reply #21 on: December 14, 2006, 05:40:12 PM »
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    « Reply #22 on: December 14, 2006, 06:27:51 PM »
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  • That could be the ten steps, except there's only six.  At least we know that things were being manipulated back then, and so I wonder...who took a leaf from who's book.  Did the Jєωs get their ideas from these evil atheists, or vice versa?  

    On the off chance, do you know where Machiavelli and Montenesqueu (sp) fit in here.  I ask because they seem to be the basis of the proof that the Protocols were plagiarized.  They are all a thorough bunch of rascals, anyway, and anyone who places trust in them is worse than a fool.
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    « Reply #23 on: December 14, 2006, 07:10:18 PM »
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  • Quote from: Trinity

    On the off chance, do you know where Machiavelli and Montenesqueu (sp) fit in here.  I ask because they seem to be the basis of the proof that the Protocols were plagiarized.  They are all a thorough bunch of rascals, anyway, and anyone who places trust in them is worse than a fool.


    I'm going to post answer over on 'protocols' topic posted by chant.I think it would fit better there.