Author Topic: The Death of Trust (Read 6319 times)

Trinity · « **on:** May 23, 2010, 07:54:36 AM »

I was just reading a book about Henry VIII. In it is brought up how the people around him whispered ιnѕυrrєcтισn until he lost all trust and became a danger to all.

I am thinking that that is what has been done to us. We just don't trust anyone anymore. I have seen people sink into terrible depressions from this and know from personal experience what a miserable life it makes. But what is to be done?

MyrnaM · « **Reply #1 on:** May 23, 2010, 09:08:00 AM »

"Sacred Heart of Jesus I Trust in Thee"

There is something about this little prayer that always gives me a spiritual boost when I pray it in times of depression or worry.

spouse of Jesus · « **Reply #2 on:** May 23, 2010, 11:33:11 PM »

I think we can trust only and only the devout and faithful people. Others may prefer their own benefits to that of the others.

Telesphorus · « **Reply #3 on:** May 23, 2010, 11:37:45 PM »

Quote from: Trinity

I was just reading a book about Henry VIII. In it is brought up how the people around him whispered ιnѕυrrєcтισn until he lost all trust and became a danger to all.

I am thinking that that is what has been done to us. We just don't trust anyone anymore. I have seen people sink into terrible depressions from this and know from personal experience what a miserable life it makes. But what is to be done?

Practice discretion, keep one's cards hidden, understand that most people don't have the heroic virtue it takes to never spread malicious gossip.

Raoul76 · « **Reply #4 on:** May 23, 2010, 11:56:25 PM »

Telesphorus said:

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"Practice discretion, keep one's cards hidden, understand that most people don't have the heroic virtue it takes to never spread malicious gossip."

Infiltrator! Just kidding -- I think.

That would be good advice in general but how is gossip "malicious" in a time when everyone has been lied to constantly? That to me is malicious. You are showing no sympathy for those who are confused and trying to sort out why the clergy barely hold the Catholic faith, if at all, and why everything is going to hell in a handbasket. It is PRECISELY this attitude that has allowed heresy and sin to thrive, and if I were you I would not want to be on that side.

If more people had "gossiped" about the seminaries becoming ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ cesspools we'd be in a lot better place today, sorry. If people knew that it was not the immaculate bride of Christ that is to blame but rather a Jєωιѕн and Freemasonic conspiracy that has enlisted conscience-free ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖs who use the faith as a way to have a cushy career and get away with murder at the same time, then maybe we wouldn't be hearing these constant blasphemies and insults of the Church as a pedophile haven.

Instead people turned a blind eye with the excuse that they were "not judging." If what you are saying is that we should stick to the facts, to the crimes against the faith, rather than scurrilous rumors, then I agree -- but the crimes against faith and the crimes against morals kind of go hand-in-hand, don't they? Or are you saying that once we enter trad paradise, all of this goes away? That theory is belied, once again, by the facts. Read the history of the CMRI, or read about Bishop Dennis McCormack. We are not out of the woods yet -- not by a long shot.

Telesphorus · « **Reply #5 on:** May 23, 2010, 11:58:59 PM »

Quote from: Raoul76

Telesphorus said:
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"Practice discretion, keep one's cards hidden, understand that most people don't have the heroic virtue it takes to never spread malicious gossip."

Infiltrator! Just kidding -- I think.

That would be good advice in general but how is gossip "malicious" in a time when everyone has been lied to constantly? That to me is malicious. You are showing no sympathy for those who are confused and trying to sort out why the clergy barely hold the Catholic faith, if at all, and why everything is going to hell in a handbasket. It is PRECISELY this attitude that has allowed heresy and sin to thrive, and if I were you I would not want to be on that side.

If more people had "gossiped" about the seminaries becoming ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ cesspools we'd be in a lot better place today, sorry. If people knew that it was not the immaculate bride of Christ that is to blame but rather a Jєωιѕн and Freemasonic conspiracy that has enlisted conscience-free ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖs who use the faith as a way to have a cushy career and get away with murder at the same time, then maybe we wouldn't be hearing these constant blasphemies and insults about the Church as a pedophile haven.

Instead people turned a blind eye with the excuse that they were "not judging." If what you are saying is that we should stick to the facts, to the crimes against the faith, rather than scurrilous rumors, then I agree -- but the crimes against faith and the crimes against morals kind of go hand-in-hand, don't they? Or are you saying that once we enter trad paradise, all of this goes away? That theory is belied, once again, by the facts. Read the history of the CMRI, or read about Bishop Dennis McCormack.

I'm not talking about doctrinal issues or trusting clergy. I'm talking about the more worldly aspects of dealing with people in a trad chapel. Open up to people and you will get hammered.

Raoul76 · « **Reply #6 on:** May 24, 2010, 12:00:15 AM »

What do you mean by gossip, exactly? Give a hypothetical example.

Telesphorus · « **Reply #7 on:** May 24, 2010, 12:01:58 AM »

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If more people had "gossiped" about the seminaries becoming ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ cesspools we'd be in a lot better place today, sorry. If people knew that it was not the immaculate bride of Christ that is to blame but rather a Jєωιѕн and Freemasonic conspiracy that has enlisted conscience-free ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖs who use the faith as a way to have a cushy career and get away with murder at the same time, then maybe we wouldn't be hearing these constant blasphemies and insults of the Church as a pedophile haven.

When I used the phrase "malicious gossip" I wasn't intending to sound like that Vatican prelate who recently used the phrase.

Unfortunately Raoul, I'm afraid some of these priests really have a condescending view towards those of us who care about the ʝʊdɛօ-masonic issue. It's disturbing.

Telesphorus · « **Reply #8 on:** May 24, 2010, 12:03:59 AM »

Quote from: Raoul76

What do you mean by gossip, exactly? Give a hypothetical example.

Raoul, I'm not going to give any "hypotheticals." Just think of some nasty rumor that some old hen would spread about anyone she doesn't like to keep her place in the pecking order.

Matthew · « **Reply #9 on:** May 24, 2010, 12:06:36 AM »

Quote from: Trinity

I was just reading a book about Henry VIII. In it is brought up how the people around him whispered ιnѕυrrєcтισn until he lost all trust and became a danger to all.

I am thinking that that is what has been done to us. We just don't trust anyone anymore. I have seen people sink into terrible depressions from this and know from personal experience what a miserable life it makes. But what is to be done?

Maybe it's like finding a spouse -- you might have your heart broken -- more than once, in some cases -- but unless you want to be depressed and miserable, you have to hop back in the saddle and "learn to love again" as it were.

I agree it's difficult to not get jaded, but what choice do we have?

Matthew

Raoul76 · « **Reply #10 on:** May 24, 2010, 12:11:04 AM »

Telesphorus said:

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Unfortunately Raoul, I'm afraid some of these priests really have a condescending view towards those of us who care about the ʝʊdɛօ-masonic issue. It's disturbing.

Is that gossip, to mention that? Like when I say I don't trust the priests is that slander? Am I calling them liars? I don't think so, because it's what they don't say that concerns me, rather than what they do say.

What I cannot help remarking upon is that there is no sedevacantist Bishop Williamson. Well, I know of one but he is very obscure and probably paranoid himself, from what I hear, ha ha. But something I have noticed in my brief time as a sede is that there is a very uniform style of sermon that they give. It's very plain and basic and never topical. It's usually something about how to avoid occasions of sin or an interpretation of a passage in the Gospel. All well and good, but we are in a specific time with specific problems. They have got us thinking that the clergy should not be topical but a quick glance at history will show how faulty this is. In our time, it is absolutely MANDATORY in my opinion to broach some of these topical issues.

I am aware that many of the American patriots who make up their source of income would not go for it, and that is perhaps one reason why there is this grand silence on crucial matters like the ʝʊdɛօ-Masonic conspiracy. But it is not seemly for priests to shy away from the truth because they are worried about losing funds. And I am positive that they would gain far more adherents than they would lose if they began telling the full truth.

Raoul76 · « **Reply #11 on:** May 24, 2010, 12:20:45 AM »

Correction: Gospels.

Telesphorus · « **Reply #12 on:** May 24, 2010, 12:27:18 AM »

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But it is not seemly for priests to shy away from the truth because they are worried about losing funds

One can't help but be cynical on that topic.

Trinity · « **Reply #13 on:** May 24, 2010, 10:03:22 AM »

Finally figured out the difference between this thread and Matthew's.

I started this thread to address the fear factor of the mistrust going around. When you never know if your neighbor is going to turn you in to the city for having too many lawn mowers (don't laugh, it has happened) or failing to recycle a newspaper, you live in fear. When you know that there are people out there determined to destroy you, but you can't figure out who, when or how, you live in fear. When your kids come home from school and tell you they had to fill out a questionaire on you, you live in fear. When someone spirits away your church and you're not altogether sure you're on the right path, you live in fear.

We literally can't trust anyone or anything these days. We have to be hypervigilant and that takes its toll. Is there a solution?

gladius_veritatis · « **Reply #14 on:** May 24, 2010, 10:24:45 AM »

Saturate yourself in the teachings found in books like Heliotropium and Abandonment to Divine Providence (both in the cathinfo Library).

Do the best you can, making the wisest choices you can, trusting God that all things, whether prosperous or adverse, contribute INFALLIBLY to His glory and your good -- even your own sins and the harm you suffer from others.

There is ALWAYS a chance that another creature will do me great harm; something that is true in ANY era. That said, how I accept the adversity is up to me. It is within my own power to make whatever happens into gold or dung.

The present Purification is going to destroy some of us, while setting many others free. The difference is all in how we respond to God's action in our lives.