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The Dangers of Hospice
« on: October 13, 2012, 11:43:38 AM »
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  • A poster on another thread indicated she was very grateful for the wonderful help provided to her husband and mother who were being provide with Hospice care. I post this article, as it describes the same situation when my father in law fell under Hospice care.  He had cancer, and his wife called in Hospice who promptly put him on a drip of morphine with a trigger that allows the patient to give himself an extra dose of it as desired.  Morphine shut down his breathing, and he was given no water (except an occasional eye dropper of water and none during his last two days of life) Hospice hastened his death.  Notwithstanding some good care they may provide, I would encourage anyone facing similar crisis circuмstances to avoid them. By the way, Hospice is the biggest user of morphine in the world.

    The Dangers of Hospice

    Hospice has developed a good reputation for providing compassionate care for dying patients.  A key principle is that hospice care neither artificially prolongs life nor hastens death.  Unfortunately, this principle is no longer consistently followed in hospice care.  This lack of consistency requires a “buyer beware” attitude when evaluating which hospice might be appropriate to provide truly compassionate end-of-life care.

    Illinois Right to Life offers a Hospice Checklist to help evaluate the underlying philosophy of care practiced by any specific hospice.  Seeking answers to the questions on this checklist should be helpful in that evaluation.

    As with any new information, I was initially skeptical that hospice could be killing people.  Calls from two nurses no more than one week apart informed me that morphine overdoses are being used to kill hospice patients.  Once I started to investigate on my own, I was helped by receiving a copy of a book published by Hospice Foundation of America, entitled Living With Grief: Ethical Dilemmas at the End of Life.  Actions called ethical in this book are anything but ethical.  Buried in the middle of the book, in a chapter extolling the ethics of assisted ѕυιcιdє, are statements that reveal typical hospice care often hastens death.

    Here is a telling sentence that summarizes the means used to hasten death: “It is well known that hastening death is practiced and approved in many ways in contemporary terminal care when suffering is extreme and irremediable – for example, by terminal sedation, by delivering pain relief sufficient to cause death by incidentally suppressing breathing, or by withdrawing nutrition and hydration.  Given the obligation to relieve suffering, such practices are not incompatible with the physicians’ oaths.”  

    “Extreme and irremediable” suffering turns out to be nothing more than patient (or caregivers) concerns about “quality of life” and “dying with dignity.”  Tragically, abuses of patient rights are becoming more common at those hospices controlled by “right to die” leadership.  Actions may be taken to hasten death either against the wishes of relatives or of patients themselves.

    I have received phone calls and emails from a number of people who witnessed occurrences of this practice.  In one case the wife made a decision to get hospice involved in her husband’s care during his recovery from both surgery and another medical procedure to remove a brain tumor.  Even though the brain tumor was declared to be in total remission by the surgeon and the patient was not in pain, pain medications were forced on the patient.  This was the initial stage of the process that too often leads to an eventual overdose on morphine.  I was asked for advice by the patient’s niece who witnessed the mistreatment of her uncle that was occurring.

    In another case, a mother was on a feeding tube and being cared for by one of the younger sons among her eight children.  The oldest daughter arrived one day to take their mother to hospice “because she would not want to live this way.”  Most of the siblings, who opposed this move to hospice, needed to get an attorney involved even to get the opportunity to learn where their mother was taken so they could visit her.  They learned that their mother was no longer being given food through her feeding tube.  Even though she had not been taking pain medication at home, she was now being given pain medication under hospice care.

    Whether death is hastened by denial of food and water or suppression of breathing using overdoses of morphine, this is certainly not death with dignity!  


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    « Reply #1 on: October 13, 2012, 04:15:23 PM »
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  • I can verify that I saw such practices in a "Catholic" hospice, to a nun under the watchful gaze of her fellow nuns.
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    The Dangers of Hospice
    « Reply #2 on: October 13, 2012, 06:04:13 PM »
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  • Everyone should be very careful to avoid Hospices.
    Hospices are places where they deliberately hasten the death of the patient.

    Hospices give medication which rapidly hastens death.
    Hospices dehydrate patients, which rapidly hastens death.

    Do not be deceived.
    If you really love your loved ones, keep them away from these evil Hospices.
    Hospices are evil.


    Even the “Catholic” ones cannot be trusted.

    For help about euthanasia or hospices in the USA call:
    Phone TOLL-FREE 1.855.300.HOPE (4673)

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    http://terrisfight.org/need-help/

    http://www.hospicepatients.org/

    National Right to Life Committee
    512 10th St. NW
    Washington, DC 20004

    Robert Powell Center for Medical Ethics
    phone. 202.626.8800 ext. 162
    fax. 202.628.2784
    email. medethics@nrlc.org


    http://www.nrlc.org/MedEthics/Contact.html


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    « Reply #3 on: October 13, 2012, 07:16:20 PM »
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  • I think hospitals are far more likely to try to hasten end of life, and far more likely to neglect the dying patient which is a way to sort of hasten the death as well.

    In the end it is all about the morals of the care givers.  When an end-of-life patient wants to be home, his care will be more monitored by his family than it could be in a hospital.  Denying food and water and over medicating are not part of the hospice experience.

    I can give you millions of anecdotes on hospitals that hastened death due to negligence or intention where *wink wink* they all look the other way or over-opiate the patient to "ease pain" and actually cause suffocation.

    Hospice is a great way for a family to stay together as one dies.  

    But again, I am discussing American hospice at this time--National Health care will change that very soon, as end-of-life care will have to be altered to make it "affordable." God help us all.
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    « Reply #4 on: October 13, 2012, 08:58:56 PM »
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  • Quote from: Loriann
    Hospice is a great way for a family to stay together as one dies.


    It's also a great way for the nєω ωσrℓ∂ σr∂єr to kill off old people. The proof has been provided, it's up to you as to whether or not you believe it.
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    « Reply #5 on: October 13, 2012, 09:06:33 PM »
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    Hospice is a great way for a family to stay together as one dies.


    It's also a great way for the nєω ωσrℓ∂ σr∂єr to kill off old people. The proof has been provided, it's up to you as to whether or not you believe it.


    Since hospitals are government run, wouldn't they be dangerous too?? What do you do for care??
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    « Reply #6 on: October 13, 2012, 09:07:12 PM »
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    Hospice is a great way for a family to stay together as one dies.


    It's also a great way for the nєω ωσrℓ∂ σr∂єr to kill off old people. The proof has been provided, it's up to you as to whether or not you believe it.


    Since hospitals are government run, wouldn't they be dangerous too?? What do you do for care??


    Hospitals are not euthanasia groups, Loriann. Hospice is.
    Please ignore ALL of my posts. I was naive during my time posting on this forum and didn’t know any better. I retract and deeply regret any and all uncharitable or erroneous statements I ever made here.

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    « Reply #7 on: October 13, 2012, 09:11:32 PM »
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  • If you were to look at the 1st Commandment of the Luciferians, which can be found on the "Georgia Guidestones", it says to "reduce the world's popuation to 500 million". That doesn't sound too bad at first, until you realize that there are approximately 6 billion people living on earth today, so that means that 5 and a half billion people would have to die. Now, what better way for them to shrink the population than to kill babies through abortion, and old people through euthanasia in hospice? And that's just the start of more to come, I'm afraid. These people are into population control, and that's what hospice is used for.

    This stuff is more than just "conspiracy theories", Loriann. Look it up.
    Please ignore ALL of my posts. I was naive during my time posting on this forum and didn’t know any better. I retract and deeply regret any and all uncharitable or erroneous statements I ever made here.


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    « Reply #8 on: October 13, 2012, 09:11:54 PM »
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    Hospice is a great way for a family to stay together as one dies.


    It's also a great way for the nєω ωσrℓ∂ σr∂єr to kill off old people. The proof has been provided, it's up to you as to whether or not you believe it.


    Since hospitals are government run, wouldn't they be dangerous too?? What do you do for care??


    Hospitals are not euthanasia groups, Loriann. Hospice is.


    Exactly, Spiritus.

    Well said.
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    « Reply #9 on: October 13, 2012, 09:13:38 PM »
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  • Hospices are evil, anti-Catholic institutions where patients are secretly put to death against their wishes, and without their consent.
    Francis is an Antipope. Pray that God will grant us a good Pope and save the Church.
    I abjure and retract my schismatic support of the evil CMRI.Thuc condemned the Thuc nonbishops
    "Now, therefore, we declare, say, determine and pronounce that for every human creature it is necessary for salvation to be subject to the authority of the Roman Pontiff"-Pope Boniface VIII.
    If you think Francis is Pope,do you treat him like an Antipope?
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    « Reply #10 on: October 13, 2012, 09:48:17 PM »
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  • I don't know what to think about all this:  My husband lost his appitite for eating and was losing weight quickly, he just would not eat.  I complained about this to Hospice, and they sent me a prescription for Megestrol Acetate Oral Suspension, a medicine that is very expensive, yet paid for by Hospice.  This drug has given my husband an appitite and he has stopped losing weight.  He now eats 3 meals per day, plus snacks and drinks Ensure that Hospice send me FREE. A case of Ensure every other week.  

    I believe my husband would have died 3 weeks ago when he was not eating, yet today he looks forward to his meals.  In fact just today he told me he wanted a hamburger from Carl Jr. so I went out and got him one, of which he ate.  

    My husband IS dying and the doctor only gave him months to live, less than a year he said, that was 4 months ago, he is still dying, and I can see he is growing weak, but not from starving, thanks to the drug Megestrol.

    I am not going to defend Hospice, and only posting my experience with them, of which I will continue to let you all know.

    btw, Hospice doesn't really care for my husband I do it!, they just guide me.   I will certainly pay extra attention to what they do, and say in the future.  

    I will say this, I am more afraid to send him to the hospital, where I will not have any control over what they give him there.    
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    « Reply #11 on: October 13, 2012, 10:08:02 PM »
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  • Dear Myrna,

    We need to be wary of all people involved in health care today.  If they are not doing harm, but doing good, then there is nothing to object to.  However, do remain wary.

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    « Reply #12 on: October 13, 2012, 10:36:52 PM »
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    I don't know what to think about all this:  My husband lost his appitite for eating and was losing weight quickly, he just would not eat.  I complained about this to Hospice, and they sent me a prescription for Megestrol Acetate Oral Suspension, a medicine that is very expensive, yet paid for by Hospice.  This drug has given my husband an appitite and he has stopped losing weight.  He now eats 3 meals per day, plus snacks and drinks Ensure that Hospice send me FREE. A case of Ensure every other week.  

    I believe my husband would have died 3 weeks ago when he was not eating, yet today he looks forward to his meals.  In fact just today he told me he wanted a hamburger from Carl Jr. so I went out and got him one, of which he ate.  

    My husband IS dying and the doctor only gave him months to live, less than a year he said, that was 4 months ago, he is still dying, and I can see he is growing weak, but not from starving, thanks to the drug Megestrol.

    I am not going to defend Hospice, and only posting my experience with them, of which I will continue to let you all know.

    btw, Hospice doesn't really care for my husband I do it!, they just guide me.   I will certainly pay extra attention to what they do, and say in the future.  

    I will say this, I am more afraid to send him to the hospital, where I will not have any control over what they give him there.    


    Bless his heart that he had an appetite.  The simplest victories are so sweet!! Hang in there Myrna...been in your shoes and know you are loving your mission, and very very tired.  God bless you! Know that you are in my prayers.
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    « Reply #13 on: October 13, 2012, 10:40:06 PM »
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  • Myrna, sending love to your home!!!

    Are the kids there for school?  Are you doing everything?
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    « Reply #14 on: October 13, 2012, 10:43:56 PM »
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    I will say this, I am more afraid to send him to the hospital, where I will not have any control over what they give him there.    


    100% agree!  Also, they won't have all of the blessed holy objects and holy water, etc. that your home will have.