Author Topic: The current SSPX has NO canonical jurisdiction or authority (Read 1530 times)

Diego · « **on:** October 27, 2012, 09:28:08 AM »

Since the SSPX was a pious association (not a religious order) whose canonical charter long ago expired, the current SSPX has NO canonical status or authority, hence Bp. Fellay has only the authority arrogated by him and acceded to him. Bp. Fellay has NO more canonical jurisdiction and authority than a layman, certainly NO legitimate authority to expel anyone.

Telesphorus · « **Reply #1 on:** October 27, 2012, 09:30:55 AM »

The mission of the neo-SSPX is to take over ownership of trad chapels and priests, and to keep traditional priests under strict control, as control of the properties and teachings gradually falls into the hands of conciliarists and Zionists for whom the Catholic Faith and the example of Archbishop Lefebvre mean nothing. And of course, to sponge as much money in the name of "Tradition" as possible while they're doing it.

In that sense, it's a criminal enterprise of the worst sort.

Diego · « **Reply #2 on:** October 27, 2012, 09:42:48 AM »

Exactly so, Tele. The sick irony is that Krah has more legal authority over the "SSPX" through secular (Judaic) financial instruments than Bp. Fellay has through his non-existent canonical authority. There is Della Sarto AG. There is NO canonical SSPX.

John Grace · « **Reply #3 on:** October 27, 2012, 09:54:10 AM »

I'm sure Krah and his business partner are laughing. They have succeeded by instilling fear in people. It's well docuмented the Society is a "pious union".

John Grace · « **Reply #4 on:** October 27, 2012, 10:01:18 AM »

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In that sense, it's a criminal enterprise of the worst sort

Bishop Fellay has certainly acted as a confidence trickster for certain. I'm holding back in saying he is involved in criminality. We mustn't speculate but base our opinion on facts.

It's not what you would expect from a Bishop. I could no longer give Bishop Fellay the "benefit of the doubt". Is he being blackmailed or something as something is radically wrong?

Telesphorus · « **Reply #5 on:** October 27, 2012, 10:07:04 AM »

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In that sense, it's a criminal enterprise of the worst sort

Bishop Fellay has certainly acted as a confidence trickster for certain. I'm holding back in saying he is involved in criminality. We mustn't speculate but base our opinion on facts.

It's not what you would expect from a Bishop. I could no longer give Bishop Fellay the "benefit of the doubt". Is he being blackmailed or something as something is radically wrong?

Moral crime.

John Grace · « **Reply #6 on:** October 27, 2012, 10:16:41 AM »

Regardless of my disagreements with Clare and Sarto, I will certainly defend them if that Krah goes after them.

Who is he to gain such influence in the Society founded by the Archbishop?

It's very strange and tragic for the Society?

John Grace · « **Reply #7 on:** October 27, 2012, 10:22:09 AM »

I believe that Bishop Fellay has betrayed the heritage of Archbishop Lefebvre. I still regard Bishop Williamson as being a member of the SSPX.

MyrnaM · « **Reply #8 on:** October 27, 2012, 10:38:30 AM »

Many of you are too smart for your own good! Vatican II has no authority, and in this period of time, the Great Apostasy, Jesus Christ is the HEAD OF THE CHURCH, as always but especially today it is more visible that He is the head, the Holy Ghost is guiding the Church however since the shepherd has been struck, the sheep are scattered. SSPX, CMRI, etc ... scattered.

Yet we have a head with authority and it does not come from any part of Vatican II. They have LEFT the church.

John Grace · « **Reply #9 on:** October 27, 2012, 10:50:18 AM »

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Many of you are too smart for your own good! Vatican II has no authority, and in this period of time, the Great Apostasy, Jesus Christ is the HEAD OF THE CHURCH, as always but especially today it is more visible that He is the head, the Holy Ghost is guiding the Church however since the shepherd has been struck, the sheep are scattered. SSPX, CMRI, etc ... scattered.

Yet we have a head with authority and it does not come from any part of Vatican II. They have LEFT the church.

Indeed. Geographically, Ireland is very small and has suited both the SSPX and those who adhere to Summorum Pontificuм.

Whilst the country gets some visiting sede priests, Independent chapels have not emerged.

Whilst I am content with the SSPX, I am open to the Istituto Mater Boni Consilii.

Whilst some often say Lefebvrism is the worst 'ism', I don't think this is helpful.

Personally, I am a 'Williamsonite' as I see him as closest to the mindset and world view of the late Archbishop.

Francisco · « **Reply #10 on:** October 27, 2012, 10:55:09 AM »

This is taken from my earlier post on J.VENNARI ARTICLE ON BP.WILLIAMSON EXPULSION.

http://www.ncregister.com/blog/edward-pentin/bishop-williamson-removed-as-member-of-sspx/

Posted by Dr R J BERRY on Wednesday, Oct 24, 2012 2:25 PM (EST):

The FSSPX has no lawful superiors. The SSPX has no canonical status with Rome. Bishop Fellay is suspended a divinis and has no authority to include or exclude anyone, according to the Rome whose feet he so shamelessly kisses. So why does he accuse Bishop Williamson of disobedience to his ‘lawful superiors’. Every act of Bishop Fellay is ‘unlawful’ so it is like the kettle calling the teapot ‘black arse’, is it not? Some hypocrisy. Bishop Williamson was ‘ordered’ by Bishop Fellay to be silent and to stay secluded. Now he says that in following those orders Bishop Williamson has ‘distanced himself from the government and management of the FSSPX’ - I tell you to jump into the river, you jump and then I tell you that getting wet is all your fault. More hypocrisy. The final slap in the face and the ultimate hypocrisy is Bernard Fellay quoting Archbishop Lefebvre, the man who consecrated him and the man whose work he has !@#$% and betrayed.

Diego · « **Reply #11 on:** October 27, 2012, 01:08:14 PM »

To reiterate, the most effective resistance to the usurpation charade will be to withdraw all financial and other support. That has been happening, hence the sermons and solicitations, but the phenomenon should be more widespread and more painful for the quislings.