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Offline Pax Vobis

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The anti-christ is not right around the corner
« on: August 25, 2017, 02:59:47 PM »
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  • I thought this would be an interesting topic to bring up, since I just finished reading a book on "the end times" and also because I see many people on here make comments concerning the anti-christ and the 2nd coming of Christ.  The below book explains quite simply that the anti-christ is NOT right around the corner, because there are certain key events which MUST happen (per the teachings of the Church Fathers, Scripture and private prophecy) before the anti-christ appears.  These sources are unanimous in teaching that we are headed for some very rough times, both spiritually and temporally - but this is of short duration.  Then the Church is restored, society is at peace, the Holy Roman Empire returns, and catholicism reigns supreme.  After this 'period of peace', then the anti-christ appears on the scene to wrap up the history of the world. 

    The book I just read is called "Trial, Tribulation & Triumph: Before, During and After Antichrist".  Written by Desmond A. Birch.  It's a very scholarly and well-researched book, and also very easy and enjoyable to read.  The main reason that I bring this up is because we must all be reminded that the Church has a vast amount of teaching on the issue of the 'end times' and often it is forgotten.  However, such teachings are both consoling and important, for they bring hope for the future and remind us that the future for the Church is not unknown.  Especially in times of darkness and despair, God gives us insights and "mile markers" to help us, in a general sense, know where to go and what to believe, so that we may not be decieved by protestant thinking or false interpretations of scripture.

    The Church Fathers are invaluable on this subject, because they learned directly from the Apostles.  And the Church has said that when the Church Fathers agree on a subject, it is considered part of Tradition (i.e. infallible).  These men wrote so much on the "end times" that we must take their teachings very seriously.  Here is en excerpt from the book:

    "The Oral Tradition of the Church on this subject, much of which was subsequently committed to writing by the Church Fathers, is voluminous.  Many of the Fathers wrote entire books on the Totality of Apostolic Tradition (which includes oral Tradition) which came down to them about the "latter and end times".  Some wrote entire books on the specific subject of anti-christ alone.  Many of these books survive down to this day."

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    Re: The anti-christ is not right around the corner
    « Reply #1 on: August 25, 2017, 09:10:57 PM »
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  • We have Our Lady's "Period of Peace" before any End Times/Antichrist.  (So what's the rush, folks?   :ready-to-eat: ) 
    If any one saith that true and natural water is not of necessity for baptism, and on that account wrests to some sort of metaphor those words of Our Lord Jesus Christ, "Unless a man be born again of water and the Holy Ghost...,"  Let Him Be Anathama.  -COUNCIL OF TRENT Sess VII Canon II “On Baptism"


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    Re: The anti-christ is not right around the corner
    « Reply #2 on: August 25, 2017, 09:15:14 PM »
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  • I am already trying to prepare for the coming period of peace. I hope to get back to the land.
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    Re: The anti-christ is not right around the corner
    « Reply #3 on: August 25, 2017, 10:40:57 PM »
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  • I thought this would be an interesting topic to bring up, since I just finished reading a book on "the end times" and also because I see many people on here make comments concerning the anti-christ and the 2nd coming of Christ.  The below book explains quite simply that the anti-christ is NOT right around the corner, because there are certain key events which MUST happen (per the teachings of the Church Fathers, Scripture and private prophecy) before the anti-christ appears.  These sources are unanimous in teaching that we are headed for some very rough times, both spiritually and temporally - but this is of short duration.  Then the Church is restored, society is at peace, the Holy Roman Empire returns, and catholicism reigns supreme.  After this 'period of peace', then the anti-christ appears on the scene to wrap up the history of the world.

    The book I just read is called "Trial, Tribulation & Triumph: Before, During and After Antichrist".  Written by Desmond A. Birch.  It's a very scholarly and well-researched book, and also very easy and enjoyable to read.  The main reason that I bring this up is because we must all be reminded that the Church has a vast amount of teaching on the issue of the 'end times' and often it is forgotten.  However, such teachings are both consoling and important, for they bring hope for the future and remind us that the future for the Church is not unknown.  Especially in times of darkness and despair, God gives us insights and "mile markers" to help us, in a general sense, know where to go and what to believe, so that we may not be decieved by protestant thinking or false interpretations of scripture.

    The Church Fathers are invaluable on this subject, because they learned directly from the Apostles.  And the Church has said that when the Church Fathers agree on a subject, it is considered part of Tradition (i.e. infallible).  These men wrote so much on the "end times" that we must take their teachings very seriously.  Here is en excerpt from the book:

    "The Oral Tradition of the Church on this subject, much of which was subsequently committed to writing by the Church Fathers, is voluminous.  Many of the Fathers wrote entire books on the Totality of Apostolic Tradition (which includes oral Tradition) which came down to them about the "latter and end times".  Some wrote entire books on the specific subject of anti-christ alone.  Many of these books survive down to this day."

    This post (that is, the original post by ‘Pax Vobis’) is nonsense.  Almost every contention in it is false.  First, you contradict Sr. Lucia of Fatima, who told Fr. Fuentes that we are in the last days.  Second, prophecies about the end-times Beast, the Whore of Babylon, the end-times Counter Church, etc. have been fulfilled with specificity before our eyes.  We are in the Great Apostasy, and prophecies about the Antichrist have also been fulfilled.  The problem is that since you are a person with no faith, you have no understanding of these matters and you don't recognize the current state of the world (re: gay 'marriage', 'transgender' mania, 'LGBTQ' abominations, etc.).  You also can't perceive obvious truths and signs that are made available to you.  That’s why you still think that the arch-heretic Francis (who says that Luther “was not mistaken” on Justification) is the pope. Since you are not of Christ, you can't recognize what is truly against Him or the significance of a Counter Church with false teachings posing as the true Church.  The Vatican II Counter Church has taken over the city of Rome, in accord with prophecy, and reduced the true Church to a remnant.

    You falsely state that there is a "vast amount" of Church teaching on the end times.  No, there is not.  Your statement is utterly untrue.  Fathers of the Church are all over the map on various issues.  The Church teaches that opinions or statements of the fathers on such matters don't constitute Church teaching unless they "all" explain a passage of Scripture in the same manner (Leo XIII, Providentissimus Deus).  I doubt you could even cite two points on the end times on which the fathers of the Church "all" explain in the same manner.  

    Below are some videos about how prophecies have been fulfilled in our day.  Also, your comment about the return of the pagan Roman Empire is true, because that is prophesied in the Apocalypse.  In its essence, it refers to the fall of the city of Rome and Europe from the faith, which is what we have seen before our eyes in the Vatican II period.  However, in your blindness you fail to recognize that this prophecy has been fulfilled.  The return of pagan Rome is what people like you lament constantly without recognizing what it really is (the fulfillment of end-times prophecy).  What do you think this post-Vatican II apostasy is?  It’s the prophesied Great Apostasy, obviously.  

    See these videos, among others:








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    Re: The anti-christ is not right around the corner
    « Reply #4 on: August 25, 2017, 11:44:12 PM »
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  • Why are you so angry?  I'll be happy to watch your videos.  I'll be happy to discuss these things civilly.  But, you need to calm down and count to 1,000.  Ridiculous. 


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    Re: The anti-christ is not right around the corner
    « Reply #5 on: August 26, 2017, 12:16:56 PM »
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  • Secondly, Sr Lucy said "last days".  Did she give a number?  I mean, we could be 5 yrs away from the Great Monarch and the 3 days of darkness.  Many prophecies say the 'period of peace' would only last 1 generation, which is 40-50 yrs, then the world, after having been totally catholic, and having had the last great Holy Roman Empire fall, would see the anti-Christ.  

    How long does he reign: 3.5 yrs?  Then he is defeated and the Jews convert and the world ends.  

    This could all happen, very easily, in the next 100 yrs.  I'm not saying it will, but, in relation to the age of the world, which is 5500 yrs old, 100 yrs or so would be "the last days".  Nothing I said contradicts Sr Lucy or scripture. 

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    Re: The anti-christ is not right around the corner
    « Reply #6 on: August 26, 2017, 12:43:51 PM »
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  • The "Great Monarch" idea comes from false prophecies such as the Mirabilis Liber, which is a collection of false predictions.

    In the Apocalypse, as soon as the modernist clergy is excommunicated, the reign of Antichrist begins.
    The Swiss exorcisms themselves revealed that Antichrist would come under the reign of Paul VI's successor (the next legitimate pope to come).
    The baptism of desire and the baptism of blood are dogmas of faith and truths of natural reason: see the article of the New Advent Encyclopedia on baptism, and Catholic Essentials. Those who deny the baptism of desire, the baptism of blood,

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    Re: The anti-christ is not right around the corner
    « Reply #7 on: August 26, 2017, 01:43:52 PM »
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  • There are multiple, multiple prophecies, from different centuries and different countries, which predict a return of the world to the monarchical structure of govt, which structure God designed and loves and which Satan hates, because it is the same structure God designed for the Church and for heaven.  

    No one has to believe in private prophecy but to say that such prophecies come from only 1 source is untrue.


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    Re: The anti-christ is not right around the corner
    « Reply #8 on: August 26, 2017, 02:46:16 PM »
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  • I have no idea what will happen when, where or how, I know we are living in the days of the Great Apostasy, that is all I know for sure.

    However, come next month on September 23, I am going to hide under my bed.   ;)

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    Re: The anti-christ is not right around the corner
    « Reply #9 on: August 26, 2017, 03:00:19 PM »
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  • Pax Vobis,

    You are wrong: those false predictions come from collections such as the Mirabilis Liber, which include inauthentic prophecies. They are simply not real, it is nothing but invention.

    My friend Éric Faure is the only medievalist of Catholic tradition, and he has discovered that the so-called prophecies about the "Great Monarch" are the result of a political subversion. Originally, the true predictions were about the reappearance of the Martyr Pope, not about a so-called "Great Monarch"; but when several Christian states quarreled with the Papacy, false predictions were invented to defend the authority of several rebellious monarchs.
    The baptism of desire and the baptism of blood are dogmas of faith and truths of natural reason: see the article of the New Advent Encyclopedia on baptism, and Catholic Essentials. Those who deny the baptism of desire, the baptism of blood,

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    Re: The anti-christ is not right around the corner
    « Reply #10 on: August 26, 2017, 03:05:38 PM »
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  • My friend Éric Faure is the only medievalist of Catholic tradition...
    Perhaps I don't understand, which isn't surprising, but if this is so then who does his peer review?
    "Lord, have mercy".


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    Re: The anti-christ is not right around the corner
    « Reply #11 on: August 26, 2017, 05:11:14 PM »
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  • The high water mark for Catholicism was the 13th century so I figure it will take another 13 centuries to hit rock bottom. Unfortunately I won't be around in 25xx to be proven right or wrong.  

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    Re: The anti-christ is not right around the corner
    « Reply #12 on: August 26, 2017, 05:19:14 PM »
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  • The high water mark for Catholicism was the 13th century so I figure it will take another 13 centuries to hit rock bottom. Unfortunately I won't be around in 25xx to be proven right or wrong.  
    I dunno, that "Botox" ain't no joke. :jester:
    "Lord, have mercy".

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    Re: The anti-christ is not right around the corner
    « Reply #13 on: August 26, 2017, 07:14:21 PM »
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  • Why are you so angry?  I'll be happy to watch your videos.  I'll be happy to discuss these things civilly.  But, you need to calm down and count to 1,000.  Ridiculous.
    Catholictrue didn't respond because he's too upset. As a sedevacantist, he typically can't deal with it when someone challenges his foundation.
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    For him to calm down and have a reasonable discussion, he would have to step back from his sede doctrine for a minute and he can't do that.
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    So it's much more typical for him and others in his condition to get angry and hurl comments and attitude in your general direction.
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    Then run away probably to pout and try to forget about the experience.
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    « Reply #14 on: August 26, 2017, 07:28:03 PM »
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  • Catholictrue didn't respond because he's too upset.
    You know this how exactly?
    "Lord, have mercy".

     

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