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Bishop Schneider: Hand Communion Must Go
« Reply #10 on: January 13, 2012, 10:15:24 AM »
Quote from: Roman Catholic
The Church can't promulgate an invalid rite.


No, but any sacrament can be invalid for reasons of form, matter and intention.

You can believe whatever you want about the NO, that doesn't matter to me.


Bishop Schneider: Hand Communion Must Go
« Reply #11 on: January 13, 2012, 10:21:03 AM »
The Catholic Church cannot promulgate a New Liturgy that embodies ambiguity and professes false ecuмenism and Protestant theological quirks on liturgical manners.

Like dogma, liturgical laws in the Church are infallible.  They cannot be contrary to Faith or cause the faithful to sin while simultaneously obeying the law.  If the Church were to enforce liturgical laws or liturgies harmful to the True Faith, then the gates of Hell have prevailed against the Church.

Since Our Lord promised that Hell could never envelope Our Church, the logical reasoning is that the men who made these laws or the New Mass were either not Catholic or have fallen into heresy or apostasy.  If men from the Church fall away from the True Faith, particularly if they're clerics, they automatically forfeit their office.  In the Canon Law, promulgated by St. Pius X, public declaration would not be necessary.


Bishop Schneider: Hand Communion Must Go
« Reply #12 on: January 13, 2012, 10:30:40 AM »
Quote from: Augstine Baker
Quote from: Roman Catholic
The Church can't promulgate an invalid rite.


No, but any sacrament can be invalid for reasons of form, matter and intention.

You can believe whatever you want about the NO, that doesn't matter to me.



Earlier you said the rite could be invalid.

A rite of the Cathoic Church can't in itself be defective or invalid.

Bishop Schneider: Hand Communion Must Go
« Reply #13 on: January 13, 2012, 10:33:29 AM »
Roman Catholic,

Are you acknowledging that the New Order of Mass is a rite of the Catholic Church???

Bishop Schneider: Hand Communion Must Go
« Reply #14 on: January 13, 2012, 10:37:40 AM »
Quote from: RonCal26
Roman Catholic,

Are you acknowledging that the New Order of Mass is a rite of the Catholic Church???


Not at all. I am in general agreement with you on this matter.

Just pointing out to Aug that the Catholic Church can't promulgate a rite that is invalid.

However rites that are not of the Cathoilc Church can be invalid per se, due to defect of form or a defect of intention of the framers of the rite.