Diego is a liar. Diego has lied on this thread as I will prove later in this post.Diego also treated with contempt the teachings of an eighteenth century Pope. Diego has also made untrue statements on other threads.
Diego has questioned the prophesied Era of Peace promised by Our Lady of Fatima. Read his proud, defiant unbelief here:
http://www.cathinfo.com/catholic.php?a=topic&t=18709&min=10&num=10Read more nonsense by Diego here:
http://www.cathinfo.com/catholic.php/CALIFORNIANS-grab-your-scythes-and-pitchforksRead how he is refuted by CathInfo members, such as Graham, Raoul76, etc.
Diego has trolled this thank-you thread.
That is rude, and it is a breach of etiquette.
It really is a tacky thing to do. To troll a thank-you thread is really tacky and is in bad taste.
Diego is a troll.
He trolled this thank-you thread with the following illogical, illiterately phrased, and pointless utterance:
Isn't there a discordance between being a "sede Catholic," but promulgating the Bogus Ordo devotion?
I explained the obvious:
They are being completely illogical, that small number of people who wrongly think that there is a discrepancy between believing in The Divine Mercy and being a Sede.
Sedes understand that Benedict XVI is an Antipope.
The Divine Mercy is a Catholic Devotion approved of by the Catholic Church in the A.D. 1930’s.
So the two beliefs are entirely compatible.
Pope Pius XII believed in The Divine Mercy and defended The Divine Mercy and performed a Ceremony Blessing The Image of The Divine Mercy.
The Divine Mercy was given extensive Imprimaturs by the Catholic Church of Pope Pius XI and also under Pope Pius XII.
When the Church has given Imprimaturs, we are supposed to take notice of those.
I have proved elsewhere on CathInfo that Pope Pius XII believed in The Divine Mercy and promoted it.
I have proved elsewhere on CathInfo that Cardinal Ottaviani believed in and promoted The Divine Mercy.
The Divine Mercy was an Approved Devotion in the Pontificates of Pope Pius XI and Pope Pius XII as can be shown by the fact that The Divine Mercy was granted many Imprimaturs throughout the world.
Some Examples of Imprimaturs given to The Divine Mercy:
Bishop Romuald gave the Imprimatur to The Divine Mercy Devotion in A.D. 1936.
The Novena to The Divine Mercy, The Chaplet of The Divine Mercy, and The Litany to The Divine Mercy were all given the Imprimatur by the Metropolitan Curia in Cracow in A. D. 1937.
THUS, THE DIVINE MERCY IS AN APPROVED DEVOTION OF THE PRE- CONCILIAR CATHOLIC CHURCH OF POPE PIUS XI AND POPE PIUS XII.
The pre-conciliar Catholic Church in the time of Pope Pius XII in the A.D. 1950s established a Religious Order for the purpose of spreading The Divine Mercy: This is their website:
http://www.faustina-message.com/ On it your can see
the Miracle that The Holy Face of Jesus from The Shroud of Turin exactly matches The Holy Face of Jesus from The Divine Mercy. Thus we can see the very great degree of approval given to The Divine Mercy by the pre-conciliar Catholic Church in the lifetime of Pope Pius XII.
Therefore Catholics should believe in The Divine Mercy.
Therefore Sede Catholics and other traditional Catholics should believe in The Divine Mercy.
Many Sede laity, priests, and also Sede Bishops believe in The Divine Mercy.So do Catholics who are not Sedevacantist.
They must: S. Faustina was infallibly canonized by their pope.
I proved that The Divine Mercy was an approved Devotion of the pre-conciliar Church of Pope Pius XI and of Pope Pius XII.
I remain of the opinion that the Divine Mercy devotion is a presumption on the mercy of God and a distraction from our Catholic duty to repent, do penance, and make reparation for our sins.
That is a disgusting attitude.
To reject and defy the approval of The Divine Mercy by the Catholic Church is pride and bad will.
Then
Diego talks about presumption !!!
The rest of his comment is just theologically illiterate.
The Divine Mercy emphasizes the Mercy of God, and it is filled with the call to repent, do penance, and make reparation for our sins. So it does exactly what Diego claims it does not.
Diego ends that post with:
…waving a chicken over one's head to transfer one's sins to the chicken).
What irrelevant nonsense.
A permission to print from a bishop, even from the Bishop of Rome, is not an infallible act.
Diego’s pride is amazing.
He talks with contempt of pre-conciliar Catholic Imprimaturs,
even Imprimaturs that are given by a pre-conciliar Pope.This is not the Catholic way to treat Popes. It is sinful. It is wrong. And good Catholics, when they read his defiance of the Church, will know that it is sinful.
The Divine Mercy was given many Imprimaturs by the Catholic Church in the Pontificate of Pope Pius XI and in the Pontificate of Pope Pius XII. When the Imprimatur has been given, the Church has spoken. The matter is closed. We are not protestants.
An Imprimatur is simply a permission to publish. An imprimatur is not infallible, not de fide, and no Catholic is bound to it. Don't believe me? Look at the mountains of Novus Ordo horse droppings published under imprimaturs.
This is a distortion of the facts.
Imprimaturs are usually given by Bishops, Archbishops, or Cardinals.
The Nihil Obstat is given BEFORE the Imprimatur. The Nihil Obstat guarantees that there is nothing contrary to the Faith or morals in the writing.
It is fee from error.
If a book has theological errors, it would not be given the Nihil Obstat or the Imprimatur:
Imprimatur is Latin for "let it be printed." When a Roman Catholic bishop grants his imprimatur to a printed work, he assures the reader that nothing therein is contrary to Catholic faith or morals. This imprimatur is not given lightly; only after a thorough review process.
http://www.americancatholic.org/newsletters/imprimatur.aspTHAT CRUSHES EVERY OBJECTION THAT OPPONENTS OF THE DIVINE MERCY CAN RAISE.
THE NIHIL OBSTATS AND IMPRIMATURS GIVEN TO THE DIVINE MERCY BY THE CATHOLIC CHURCH OF POPE PIUS XI AND POPE PIUS XII GUARANTEE THAT THE DIVINE MERCY IS ENTIRELY FREE FROM ANY THEOLOGICAL ERRORS WHATSOEVER. Diego then brings up Novus Ordo Imprimaturs. This is disingenuous, because
I have only mentioned pre-conciliar Imprimaturs. So his comment is entirely irrelevant.
I am not a Protestant. Since you brought up the subject, I don't know about you.
I had not claimed that he was a protestant. He then casts aspersions on my Catholicity.
I am a Catholic.
The fact that I am a Catholic is obvious to anyone of good will from my username, “Sede Catholic”.
It was merely another irrelevant comment of bad will made by Diego.
This is from “The Casuist” (A.D. 1906):
Where the Church has thus given her approval to any particular private revelation, it is no longer permitted to ridicule or to despise it. “Fas non est,” says Card. Franzelin, “tales revelationes contemnere” (de div. trad. 22). To do so were to fail in the respect due to the Church….
Pope Benedict XIV said:
...When the Church has examined and approved these visions, no one may any longer doubt their supernatural and divine origin.
This is from “The Casuist” (A.D. 1906)
[yawn] Not Magisterium.
Diego again speaks contemptuously about the authority of the Catholic Church.
The Casuist was a premier theological journal of its time.
The section that I quoted contained quotations from Pope Benedict XIV, and from Cardinal Franzelin who was the Papal Theologian to Pope Pius IX at the Vatican Council of A.D. 1870.
Who does this Diego character think he is?
Who is “
Diego” to question the true Popes?
Are you a Feenyite, Diego?
...Pope Benedict XIV said: When the Church has examined and approved these visions, no one may any longer doubt their supernatural and divine origin.
He says, "these visions." What visions? What is the antecedent of "these"?
Does this "saying" have ex cathedra character?
It is obvious that Pope Benedict XIV is speaking about visions in general, and
anyone of good will can see that.
Diego shows disobedience to the Church, immense bad will, and pride. We are required to obey true Popes. When they speak, they expect Catholics to listen to them.
Notice that Diego treats the eighteenth century Pope Benedict XIV with great contempt: “Does this "saying" have ex cathedra character? ”
Diego displays contempt for what the Pope says. It is not relevant whether it is ex cathedra or not. It is an order from a Pope.
Catholics will obey an order from a true Pope. We are bound to do so.
That is the teaching of the Church:
Nor is it to be supposed that a position advanced in an encyclical does not, ipso facto, demand assent. In writing them it is true that the Popes do not exercise their teaching authority to the full. But such statements come under the ordinary teaching of the Church, which is covered by the promise, “He who hears you, hears Me” (St. Luke X:16). For the most part the positions advanced, the duties inculcated by these encyclical letters are already bound up, under some other title, with the general body of Catholic teaching. And when the Roman Pontiffs go out of their way to pronounce on such subject which has heretofore been controverted, it must be clear to everybody that, in the mind and intention of the Pontiffs concerned, this subject can no longer be regarded as a matter of free debate among theologians.
(Pope Pius XII, Humani Generis, Paragraph 20.)
For it is quite foreign to everyone bearing the name of Christian to trust his own mental powers with such pride as to agree only with those things which he can determine from their inner nature, and to imagine that the Church, sent by God to teach and guide all nations, is not conversant with present affairs and circuмstances; or even that they must obey only in those matters which she has agreed by solemn definition as though her other decisions might be presumed to be false or putting forth insufficient motive for truth and honesty. Quite to the contrary…
(Pope Pius XI, Casti Connubii.)
If Diego claims that what Pope Benedict XIV says can be disobeyed, the burden of proof is on Diego to prove that.
I have recounted the teachings of the Church. Diego has shown sinful contempt for those teachings.
You are not meant to try and find fault with the decisions of the Church.
You are supposed to accept the decisions of the Church.
You are meant to be obedient to the Church.
That is how the Saints behaved.
They aspired to perfect obedience to the Church.
So should we.
Coming from a sede vacantist pushing a Bogus Ordo fraud, this may be one of the most hypocritical (or schizophrenic) exhortations I have ever heard.
That is just a meaningless insult.
Also, here Diego shows his real malice.
What he says is very dishonest. I will now prove his dishonesty to the Forum.
You will recall that I had proved that The Divine Mercy was an approved devotion of the Catholic Church under Pope Pius XI and Pope Pius XII in
A.D. 1936. So when, afterwards, Diego repeats his claim that it is Bogus Ordo,
he is lying.
Diego is a Liar. This is not merely stupidity on the part of Diego, because I had already proved that The Divine Mercy was an approved devotion of the pre-conciliar church.
It is not stupidity, it is dishonesty.
Then
Diego talks about hypocrisy !!!
More hypocrisy from Diego is evident when again he pretends that there is a reason why Sedes cannot believe in The Divine Mercy.
I had already completely refuted this illogical (and illiterately phrased) claim earlier in the thread, by pointing out that:
Sedes know that Benedict XVI is an Antipope.
The Divine Mercy is an approved devotion of the Catholic Church of Pope Pius XI and Pope Pius XII. Those two facts are entirely compatible. Anyone of good will can see that.
But Diego, out of
bad will, pretends that this something he can validly bring up, even after it has been totally refuted.
So this comment by Diego is very dishonest.
Where is your side-by-side evidence that the Diary of Many Handwriting Styles has been misquoted? Certainly it is a fraud in itself, but where is your evidence that the fraud has been misquoted?
More lies. More emoting and lies. I do not know if Diego knows that what he is repeating is lies. But it is.
That is easy to prove.
On the internet,
the lie has been put out that S. Faustina Kowalska did not write the Diary.
This is a lie which has only ever been spread on the internet. It is not found in any book, journal, academic dissertation, or any other worthwhile source.
The truth is that S. Faustina Kowalska wrote the Diary herself.
This can easily be proved.
This false claim is that the Diary was the fabrication of the Nuns in S. Faustina’s convent. It is a lie. The truth is easily proved by the fact that
S. Faustina’s Confessor and Spiritual Director Fr. Michael Sopocko had asked S. Faustina to write everything down AND TO GIVE IT TO HIM. So he had access to it before any of the nuns in the convent. And he was instrumental in getting it published. And what an insult such a false claim is to S. Faustina, and to the whole convent of exceptionally holy pre-conciliar nuns, and to the local Ordinary who gave the imprimatur, and to Fr. Sopocko, and to everyone else in the pre-conciliar Catholic Church who attested to the authenticity of the writings of S. Faustina.
There are also photographs of the original manuscript. An expert on The Divine Mercy, Robert Stackpole, wrote:
There is no evidence of tampering with the original text. (I have seen the original autograph myself.) Furthermore, anyone who reads the Diary in the Polish original or in English can clearly tell that the text was written by a single author.
The handwriting in the Diary of Saint Faustina Kowalska is the same as the handwriting in the photographs of her letters to priest and nuns and her own family. Her letters have also been published as a book.
Another
false claim is the claim that S. Faustina could not write.
This again is a lie. The truth is easily proved by the fact that S. Faustina’s Confessor and Spiritual Director Fr. Michael Sopocko had asked S. Faustina to write everything down AND TO GIVE IT TO HIM. This is recounted both in her own diary, and in the footnotes that accompany it, and was verified by her Confessor and Spiritual Director Father Michael Sopocko. Also,
S. Faustina Kowalska wrote letters to priests and nuns and to her own family.
The Letters of S. Faustina Kowalska have been published as a book. Therefore it is really wicked and dishonest of these liars to pretend that she could not write.
The Diary of Saint Maria Faustina Kowalska has been very accurately translated into English.
So you can have real confidence in the accuracy of the translation of The Diary of Saint Maria Faustina Kowalska. Sometimes the entries in The Diary of Saint Maria Faustina Kowalska are not in chronological order. This is because:
For a long time Sister Faustina did not take notes of her experiences and of graces received. It was only at the explicit order of her confessor, Father Sopocko, that she began to write down her experiences as they occurred, and also earlier ones as she remembered them.
(The Diary of Saint Maria Faustina Kowalska. Footnote 42.)
Diego asked about translations.
The Diary of Saint Maria Faustina Kowalska is a meticulously accurate translation from the Polish. An international team of experts, comprised of priests, nuns, laity, carefully translated the Diary of Saint Maria Faustina Kowlaska into English.
The Diary of Saint Maria Faustina Kowalska can be read online for free by clicking this link: http://www.saint-faustina.com/Diary/DMIMS1.shtml The Footnotes to the Diary of Saint Maria Faustina Kowalska can be read online for free by clicking this link: http://www.saint-faustina.com/Diary/footnotes.html This online book is completely accurate. It is the same as the physical paper book which you can buy.
The translation of the Diary of Saint Maria Faustina Kowalska is completely accurate.
All the editions of the Diary of Saint Maria Faustina Kowalska in English are from the same meticulously accurate translation.
So if you buy the book, The Diary of Saint Maria Faustina Kowalska, you can have complete confidence that it is the true translation. A Novena prayer from the Diary has been reprinted separately in prayer books.
This has sometimes been changed by modernists.
It is NOT the Diary itself which has been changed, but only this Novena prayer which has only been changed in some prayer books.In the Diary of Saint Faustina Kowalska, it says:
"Today bring to Me the pagans and those who do not yet know me. I was thinking also of them during My bitter Passion, and their future zeal comforted My Heart. Immerse them in the ocean of My mercy.”
In some prayer books, they have dared to remove Our Lord’s words: “the pagans”.
Instead, in some prayer books, they have put: “THOSE WHO DO NOT BELIEVE IN GOD”
Most Compassionate Jesus, You are the Light of the whole world. Receive into the abode of Your Most Compassionate Heart the souls of pagans who as yet do not know You. Let the rays of Your grace enlighten them that they, too, together with us, may extol Your wonderful mercy; and do not let them escape from the abode which is Your Most Compassionate Heart.
In some prayer books, they have removed S. Faustina Kowalska’s words: “pagans who as yet do not know you”.
Instead, in some prayer books, they have put: “those who do not believe in God and of those who as yet do not know you.”
May the light of Your love
Enlighten the souls in darkness;
Grant that these souls will know You
And, together with us, praise Your mercy.
In some prayer books, they have left out this prayer which includes the words: “Enlighten the souls in darkness;”
Eternal Father, turn Your merciful gaze upon the souls of pagans and of those who as yet do not know You, but who are enclosed in the Most Compassionate Heart of Jesus. Draw them to the light of the Gospel. These souls do not know what great happiness it is to love You. Grant that they, too, may extol the generosity of Your ' mercy for endless ages. Amen.
In some prayer books, they have removed the word of S. Faustina Kowalska: “pagans”
Instead, in some prayer books, they have put: “those who do not believe in you”
Fifth Day
“Today bring to Me the souls of heretics and schismatics, and immerse them in the ocean of My mercy. During My bitter Passion they tore at My Body and Heart; that is, My Church. As they return to unity with the Church, My wounds heal, and in this way they alleviate My Passion.”
In some prayer books, they have dared to remove Our Lord’s words: “heretics and schismatics”.
Instead, in some prayer books, they have put: “THOSE WHO HAVE SEPARATED THEMSELVES FROM MY CHURCH”
Most Merciful Jesus, Goodness Itself, You do not refuse light to those who seek it of You. Receive into the abode of Your Most Compassionate Heart the souls of heretics and schismatics. Draw them by Your light into the unity of the Church, and do not let them escape from the abode of Your Most Compassionate Heart; but bring it about that they, too, come to adore the generosity of Your mercy.
In some prayer books, they have removed the words of S. Faustina Kowalska: “heretics and schismatics”.
Instead, in some prayer books, they have put: “those who have separated themselves from Your Church.”
Even for those who have torn the garment of Your unity,
A fount of mercy flows from Your Heart.
The omnipotence of Your mercy, Oh God.
Can lead these souls also out of error.
In some prayer books, they have left out this prayer which includes the words: “Can lead these souls also out of error.”
Eternal Father, turn Your merciful gaze upon the souls of heretics and schismatics, who have squandered Your blessings and misused Your graces by obstinately persisting in their errors. Do not look upon their errors, but upon the love of Your own Son and upon His bitter Passion, which He underwent for their sake, since they, too, are enclosed in the Most Compassionate Heart of Jesus. Bring it about that they also may glorify Your great mercy for endless ages. Amen.
In some prayer books, they have removed the words of S. Faustina Kowalska: “heretics and schismatics”.
Instead, in some prayer books, they have put: “those who have separated themselves from Your Son’s Church”
The Diary of Saint Faustina Kowalska contains the true Novena of The Divine Mercy Prayers.
The Diary of Saint Faustina Kowalska is a highly accurate translation. It is only some prayer books in circulation that contain a bad translation of a novena.
Some people have concerns about the canonization of S. Faustina Kowalska by JP II.
John Paul II did promote The Divine Mercy, but he also promoted Fatima and “Canonized” Padre Pio.
And he “beatified” Jacinta and Francisco of Fatima.
So it is illogical to reject The Divine Mercy based on the support of John Paul II. By that false standard you would reject Fatima and Padre Pio as well.
Also, it was the work and efforts of Father Michael Sopocko (and many other including Pope Pius XII and Cardinal Ottaviani) which led to The Divine Mercy being accepted by the Catholic Church. So let us not take the credit away from them and give it to JPII instead.
Thorn was mistaken about some things, and was man enough to admit it.
Thorn showed integrity.
Lefebvre fan was mistaken about some things, and was man enough to admit.
Lefebvre fan showed integrity.
A Feenyite, Home-Aloner troll who got banned, recently said things that were untrue about The Divine Mercy. Commendably, when I proved him wrong, he admitted that he had been wrong about The Divine Mercy and said:
Regarding the Divine Mercy…What you wrote is enough. It seems I was indeed wrong about most. It doesn't really matter to me. So I take back what I said.
He also said:
I thought wrong about the Divine Mercy. You showed me evidence I had never seen showing me it was not so. Therefore, I admit I was in error and retract my position.
I hope that Diego will also retract his false statements, or will he display less honour than a Feenyite, Home-Aloner troll, who got banned by Matthew from CathInfo.
Diego, one of the hallmarks of a man is to be able to admit when one is wrong.
Do you, Diego, have the humility, the honesty, the integrity, the manliness, and the honour to admit that you have been wrong?
Diego also
dared to claim that it is certainly a fraud, when The Divine Mercy has the approval of the Church of Pope Pius XI and Pope Pius XII.
The arrogance, pride, and disobedience of this dishonest Diego are astonishing.
I have the truth and the Imprimaturs of the Catholic Church of Pope Pius XI and Pope Pius XII on my side.
Diego has
nothing on his side.
Except lies, bad will, and malice.
St. Thomas Aquinas teaches that against a fact there is no argument.
Against
this fact there is no argument:
The Divine Mercy is an approved devotion of the Catholic Church.
To mock The Sacred Heart would be Blasphemy.
To mock The Divine Mercy is also Blasphemy.
They are both approved Devotions of the Catholic Church.
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