The only poster I've seen in my limited time here who is predatory and  IMO a danger to others has been PW

A person can only hear such comments about themselves so many times before they start to internalize it. Words hurt.  

I've had a lot of difficulty lately excepting some of the spiritual truths of tradition. Social issues I'm confident on, but everything else I just feel numb over.

I've tried and tried...I've read and read. I still don't wake up and feel strongly about the things I should. I have little conviction about why the N.O. mass is wrong.  I believe it is wrong, for all the reasons given to me here, but I absolutely could not talk to someone today, relay what I've been taught, and convince them of anything beyond "the TLM is a more beautiful mass."

For some reason I just can't feel as strongly as I should about the things that are imperative to being Traditional.

It has been made clear to me that willingness (and even strong desire) to be a submissive helpmate, and have a big family are nothing more than desired characteristics of women who are already religiously Traditional.

My understanding now is that you can be a Traditional woman because you would never dream of attending the N.O. mass. Because you have an interior life that is strong. You could still even have feminist tendencies, but that's okay because it is secondary to an understanding of the mass.  This makes someone traditional.  My beliefs only make me a "conservative Catholic" or something.  Not traditional. I only have the secondary (less important things) down.

I know that many people have noticed that I post ten times more about my clothing issues than anything about the mass.  There are two reasons.

1.). I have significant pressure from a few welling meaning posters (from opposite ends of the trad spectrum) to attend/not attend mass in certain places. When I talk about these issues in posts, I receive insistent pm's from both sides.  This why I just don't bother.

2.) I have serious, deep vanity issues and, as CatherineofSienna mentioned (and I rejected) I have developed scruples over modest dress. To the point of panic attack symptoms and insomnia. Over skirts.

I've gone from wearing immodest dress with such great confidence that I will forever be haunted by the  permanence of digital photography, to being severely self conscious and anxious... as if I wish I could dress away the past. My obsession over, and my changes in dress have caused accusations BOTH here and in real life of being attention seeking.  It's not a good sign when you begin to question your own sincerity, and start to wonder if you should just give up.

I was asked this question that is pretty much the final straw for me.  I was asked if I could see into the future, and I knew for certain that being Traditional would mean I never got married, would I continue to pursue tradition, or would I give it up because I want marriage so badly?

The fact that I had to pause and think about it, proves my very shallow understanding, and I suppose lack of authenticity when it comes to Traditional Catholicism.  I'm just not ready. Being domestic and an anti-feminist, wanting lots of babies and complementing it all with a daily rosary just isn't enough.

I believe God directed me here, but now I can't feel him at all. It's arrested development and spiritual emptiness. Posting here all the time is perhaps just a way to combat loneliness and pretend my personal life isn't a complete disaster.  I can't tell if it's good or bad to keep isolating myself.  I want to avoid sin, but I think my loneliness is hurting me mentally.

To be accused of being a danger to this board is very, very hurtful. It is just a word that seems ridiculous applied to myself.  I've never been described that way.

But the truth is, maybe I am not good for this board. Maybe my presence is problematic. From the very first thread I posted on, I worried I seemed disingenuous.  Three months later it is STILL a problem. I have to really pray about why that is.

And no, it isn't for silly reasons like inability of some to believe that I'm a domestic manic who hand washes laundry and bakes bread. If I could pray as successfully as I multitask housework, I'd be in great shape.

It is my spiritual problems and lack of marital experience that make me "dangerous" --or unsuitable for posting about things here. I have to accept that.

I came here to learn the faith, but I feel darker and more confused than I have in a long time. I'm not certain why that is, but maybe it was the result of missing an opportunity. I was presented with a place to learn the truth, and instead of doing that, I've just upset people, more than anything.  I have to stop just wishing for a husband who tells me where to go to mass, and how to dress etc. I need to have conviction on my own, and not be so weak and pitiful.

So many here have tried to help me.  Despite my fear that this was an overall failure of an experience, there were people who made an impact on me. If I've learned anything at all, it is that there is so much more to a person than what meets the eye. We each bear a cross that influences our opinions and how words come out...but it isn't the whole story. I'll never forget how it was I found this board.

Thank you to everyone who has tried to help me. I'm sorry to those who I annoyed or made believe I came here with evil intentions. Christ knows that I did not.

I really do have to break my addiction here and figure out my life...before I really do hurt someone with my ambivalence.

Please keep me in my prayers. In the past couple of days I've been forced to come to terms with some very serious issues that I've been in a state of denial over.  Things that will seriously impact my life. I have a lot of financial problems, an issue with my daughter's father that I need to come to terms with, and a family who honestly believes I've gone insane as a religious fanatic and that I need professional help.

I could really use your prayers...even if you are someone who thinks I'm a predator.  I know God knows I'm a good person, but just very troubled.

Please pray that the Lord will give me the strength to do what is right as a Catholic, out of personal conviction, not just going through the motions because I'm addicted to a forum that makes me feel that I'm held accountable. I have to do this alone, and be held accountable to God.  Please pray I will still someday find the fullness of truth in Tradition, and that I'll be stronger, so that my dedication to it won't be dependent on other things.

God Bless all of you for putting up with me.  I'm very grateful to have found CathInfo and I know I will miss it.

In Christ,

PW

To be accused of being a danger to this board is very, very hurtful. It is just a word that seems ridiculous applied to myself.  I've never been described that way.

For what it's worth, when I read the post that you are responding to I could not figure out who it could apply to because I could not think of anyone like that with the initials PW.  I'm still wondering if it was a typo or something.  I can't believe that anyone sees you that way.

I have always found your posts delightful.  In a world in which feminism is practically unavoidable, I find your posts make a refreshing break.  I will miss them.

Tiffany will have to answer to God for any spiritual or emotional pain she has inflicted on you.

I have no idea why she would call you such horrible, uncharitable, and baseless names.

Her twisted reasons are only known to her and God (and, I should also add, the devil -- who is keeping close track! He can't wait to accuse her before the Judgment Seat)

Some Catholics -- that call themselves Traditional -- should really be ashamed of themselves. They think Charity is optional as long as they abhor the Novus Ordo -- as if God is going to overlook reams of faults just because they drove a half hour to get to a Tridentine Mass. Sorry, I wish it were that easy!

Other Catholics think their mission in life is to fill in for the Pope (who they believe doesn't exist right now), and pontificate about where you should go to Mass -- what Masses are valid, which priests are actual priests, which Missal God wants us to use, the morality of NFP, the eternal destiny of infants who die without Baptism, etc.

As if God has revealed ANY of those things, privately OR publicly!  

I try to ban ALL the Dogmatic Home-Aloners as well as those who are opposed on principle to the 1962 Missal, the priestly validity of SSPX priests, the Catholicity of the SSPX, etc. but apparently I missed a few if you're getting hassled by zealous "don't go to that Mass" types. I assume they're not just telling you to stay away from SGG or something like that...

Anyhow, I really get sick of these extremist "Catholic Truth. Population: Me" types. It's not because my position is weak, I'm afraid of the truth, or any of that BS, but rather because THEY ARE CRAZY and their extreme, nonsensical positions can really hurt someone who is genuinely looking for the TRUTH and SALVATION -- like PenitentWoman.

Whoever you are, if you're reading this -- just look at my posts. Do you think I go with the flow? I'm siding with Bishop Williamson for crying out loud. I'm certainly of good will and would follow the truth wherever it led me. But do you honestly think God has ABANDONED his Church so as to leave the Catholic Faithful (numbering in the hundreds of thousands? any better estimates out there?) with only a dozen valid priests?  Come on, if that were true, where's the Last Trumpet already?

The Church must be visible until the end of time -- to say otherwise is heresy. And no, a dozen priests tucked away in a dozen little independent chapels is NOT sufficient for a visible Church.

As for the 1962 Missal, I see nothing wrong with it and I studied at a traditional Seminary for 3 1/2 years. How about you? You probably just read some crap by the Dimond brothers and think you're an expert, or you trust the Dimond brothers who put themselves forward as experts. Who trained them? They probably read a few books. Either way, you're sadly mistaken.

Dear PenitentWoman,

I ask you to reconsider leaving us.
Many people have decided to leave CathInfo, and have then changed their minds.

CathInfo is the best of the Catholic Forums.
You will get help and support here that you cannot get on these other, lesser Catholic Forums.

It is best for your soul that you stay here.
It is best for your baby's soul that you stay here.

You said that you believed that God has directed you here.
That is obviously the case.

Do not let the devil win. He has worked people up against you here.
That shows that God wants you here.

Do the will of God.


You do a lot of good for souls by posting here.
You are one of the people that I have learned from the most.

Do not stop helping souls with your posts here.

Your posts have brightened up CathInfo.
You have brought something very good to CathInfo, that was not here before.

And on CathInfo, almost everybody likes you.
You owe it to your friends to stay.
(But really I only say that to help to guide you to stay).

I have sent you two PMs.

I ask you to read them.
Perhaps they will help you as well.

God Bless you, PenitentWoman.
God Bless your baby.

Yours, in Jesus and Mary and Joseph and The Divine Mercy,

Sede Catholic.

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This pitfall seems to afflict those of a Melancholic temperament more than any other.

What do you base this comment on? None of the Melancholics I have met on Trad forums are extremists.

The dogmatic extremists that were banned on my forum were cholerics who tended towards narcissism.

How can you tell someone's temperament? I've read about them but can never tell how to identify them in people. Is it just guessing or sixth sense?

It seems to me that someone could be any of the temperaments depending on their state of mind, but one always?