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s2srea · « **Reply #420 on:** October 24, 2012, 01:18:23 PM »

Quote from: Tiffany

We have already been through that though with her lying about meeting with a trad priest, and not only did she do that but she made up a story about people in the chapel. She came out with a half apology only because she was called out on it.

:shocked:

I haven't followed this very closely, but is this true?

MaterDominici · « **Reply #421 on:** October 24, 2012, 01:29:03 PM »

Quote from: s2srea

Quote from: Tiffany
We have already been through that though with her lying about meeting with a trad priest, and not only did she do that but she made up a story about people in the chapel. She came out with a half apology only because she was called out on it.

:shocked:

I haven't followed this very closely, but is this true?

Everyone here was telling her to consult a priest.
She said she had scheduled and met with a CMRI priest when what she really did was meet with the NO priest who had recommended Tradition to her.
She relayed the things this priest had told her (such as find a different job ASAP), but attributed them to the CMRI priest.
I don't recall the "chapel stories", but something was said about the impesssion she had of her CMRI visit.
Someone here contacted the CMRI priest in her area who knew nothing of her.
She apologized for lying about the situation. I'm guessing the claim of "half apology" was her attributing her poor decisions to pressure received here, but I'd have to go back and read the apology to see.

Elizabeth · « **Reply #422 on:** October 24, 2012, 01:36:58 PM »

Mater you have it right. But I'd like to add that she was only just dipping her toe into Tradition, against her family, but being pressured to go full SV. She felt uneasy and guilty about it, so she talked to a trusted priest instead.

I don't condone lying, but what's more creepy is being called a predator, when it's borderline stalking to go check with a priest to see if she went there.

guitarplucker · « **Reply #423 on:** October 24, 2012, 01:42:02 PM »

I didn't read enough of her posts to form an opinion of her, because she posted on topics that didn't interest me. But I tend to trust the judgment of those who were defending her.

Telesphorus · « **Reply #424 on:** October 24, 2012, 01:43:07 PM »

Some of these women here are very interested in manipulating her. As it seems most of these trad women are - very interested in manipulating the females at their chapel, to control their choices. And they always resort to telling the woman to go to the priest to enforce their will.

Traditionalism has a very serious problem - the social life of the chapel has eclipsed the Faith in importance. The liberalizers in the SSPX are exploiting and aggravating this tendency to the full - contributing the cult-like atmosphere of these chapels.

Telesphorus · « **Reply #425 on:** October 24, 2012, 01:45:09 PM »

Quote from: Elizabeth

when it's borderline stalking to go check with a priest to see if she went there.

catherineofsienna, who's too embarrassed to post here, was mainly concerned in blackening the reputation of the men here as "woman haters" and of trads and trad men in general. And in getting her to a trad priest to be a substitute father/decisionmaker.

Catholic Samurai · « **Reply #426 on:** October 24, 2012, 01:47:56 PM »

Quote from: Telesphorus

Some of these women here are very interested in manipulating her.

The same could be said of a few men here too.

MaterDominici · « **Reply #427 on:** October 24, 2012, 01:51:30 PM »

Quote from: Elizabeth

Mater you have it right. But I'd like to add that she was only just dipping her toe into Tradition, against her family, but being pressured to go full SV. She felt uneasy and guilty about it, so she talked to a trusted priest instead.

I don't condone lying, but what's more creepy is being called a predator, when it's borderline stalking to go check with a priest to see if she went there.

I wanted to get the story summary up before we got a load of "spins", but I agree with you. Her behavior was not appropriate, but was nonetheless humanly understandable -- especially from someone new who was overwhelmed by the whole situation. It was a mistake; I don't believe it was anything more than that.

Tiffany · « **Reply #428 on:** October 24, 2012, 02:04:46 PM »

Elizabeth I had her on ignore while the priest issue was being brought up, this was only one example of her deception. I brought it up now because it was applied to the situation of her supposedly not getting support. I saw deception in what she related as far as time and the stories that went with them. Secondly the views she states do not seem to be her own, they are very extreme, and other statements she makes do not support someone with those views. She devalues other women too.
Even after being called out and back peddling, she still attacks. IMO She is a predator appearing to be someone she is not and she is highly manipulative in various ways. When the threads don't go according to her narrative of her needing a husband or when her inconsistencies are called out, she attacks.

ServusSpiritusSancti · « **Reply #429 on:** October 24, 2012, 02:24:49 PM »

Tiffany, please quit your whining about PW, it's annoying and people are getting sick of it. Your double standards - defending that immature troll Marcelino for lying by putting words in the mouths of others but chastising one individual who was wrong but did at least have the decency to apologise (unlike Marcelino) - are obvious, and they're not pretty. Please spare us your (repetitive) opinion on PW.

Tiffany · « **Reply #430 on:** October 24, 2012, 02:48:32 PM »

Quote from: MaterDominici

Quote from: Elizabeth
Mater you have it right. But I'd like to add that she was only just dipping her toe into Tradition, against her family, but being pressured to go full SV. She felt uneasy and guilty about it, so she talked to a trusted priest instead.

I don't condone lying, but what's more creepy is being called a predator, when it's borderline stalking to go check with a priest to see if she went there.

I wanted to get the story summary up before we got a load of "spins", but I agree with you. Her behavior was not appropriate, but was nonetheless humanly understandable -- especially from someone new who was overwhelmed by the whole situation. It was a mistake; I don't believe it was anything more than that.

MD I disagree with you. She went so far to make a degrading comment about the imaginary people in the chapel.

Telesphorus · « **Reply #431 on:** October 24, 2012, 03:02:34 PM »

I'm not going to make excuses for lying, but phew, I don't have any illusions about women telling lies anymore - and I mean all those supposedly "normal" women out there - not someone like PW who has caused certain people to vent paranoia.

Women seem to be capable of lying like it was second nature.

Telesphorus · « **Reply #432 on:** October 24, 2012, 03:06:15 PM »

PW did something that was very regrettable in claiming to have spoken to the CMRI priest. However, I don't think her behavior in that regard was anything out of the ordinary. Even among "trad" women.

Jaynek · « **Reply #433 on:** October 24, 2012, 03:24:05 PM »

Quote from: Telesphorus

PW did something that was very regrettable in claiming to have spoken to the CMRI priest. However, I don't think her behavior in that regard was anything out of the ordinary. Even among "trad" women.

That is not my experience of trad women Personally, I would not tell an outright falsehood. I want to be more honest and I've been working on getting rid of exaggerations and false impressions. Telling the truth is very important to me.

wallflower · « **Reply #434 on:** October 24, 2012, 05:09:37 PM »

Quote from: Tiffany

Quote from: MaterDominici
Quote from: Elizabeth
Mater you have it right. But I'd like to add that she was only just dipping her toe into Tradition, against her family, but being pressured to go full SV. She felt uneasy and guilty about it, so she talked to a trusted priest instead.

I don't condone lying, but what's more creepy is being called a predator, when it's borderline stalking to go check with a priest to see if she went there.

I wanted to get the story summary up before we got a load of "spins", but I agree with you. Her behavior was not appropriate, but was nonetheless humanly understandable -- especially from someone new who was overwhelmed by the whole situation. It was a mistake; I don't believe it was anything more than that.

MD I disagree with you. She went so far to make a degrading comment about the imaginary people in the chapel.

Creating a thread, engaging people in it and carrying it on for days takes committment. There was zero pressure at that time. She even commented on the building looking "creepy". I mean there were details. That's committment to a story, not a quick act of poor judgment.

The pressure came on weeks later when the suzy homemaker stories with the claim of working outside the home literally every day and every night of the week started to add up outrageously.

Elizabeth, the person who verified this was very disturbed that PW may be a fake because that person had confided their own personals to her, ways in which they related and would not have shared with just anyone. My empathy goes to the person who was the true victim here, not the one lying and taking advantage of the other's good nature.