Very interesting comments but I shall try answer question regarding outrage.

Whilst not the night of the vote on the abortion bill about 40,000 people attended a Justin Timberlake  concert in Dublin. Whilst Justin "rocked Dublin", a few hundred people prayed the rosary outside the parliament. Armed with "spiritual sling-shots" you had all walks of life there.

It's not every day you see working class men in their 20s and 30s from inner city Dublin praying the rosary and putting Blessed salt around the footpath and gates of the parliament. Holy water was also sprinkled. All at 4am!!

Perhaps the Dublin liberals were at the rock concert but the working man was certainly present outside the parliament and clearly Catholic and opposed to abortion.

All is not lost in Ireland.

The night of the vote on abortion, most of the politicians were drunk. As I stated elsewhere, one male placed a female colleague on his knee. All captured on live television. So a big party in full swing the night/early morning during a farce of a "debate" on murdering babies in the womb.

John Grace,

What do non-Catholic religious groups in Ireland say or do about this, if anything?

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Time for Texas to secede from the union!

I'd be all for it.

I agree that this would be a good thing.

We wouldn't be missing a darn thing if we seceded.

We have our own electric grid (unlike most states!), plenty of food, certainly plenty of farmland and cattle, plenty of water, plenty of military, plenty of energy (oil, wind, solar), etc.

And the few things we don't have we can always import :)

Ahh...but Texas doesn't have something which counts...a viable Armed Forces which could repel the US Armed Forces.  150 years ago, a whole region of the USA attempted to secede and were militarily defeated (more like devastated).  What would make you think that the State of Texas could take on the USA military?  Don't get me wrong, I'm all for any state having the right to secede.  But the reality is the Federal Government will not in any way, shape or form, tolerate anything like a state seceding.  And the US Armed Forces will strike and kill fellow Americans trying to secede if ordered to do so.  This is reality.  Texas wouldn't have a chance.

We don't need an army -- just a rag-tag militia will do.

You know, the US military really sucks these days. They can't even put down an insurgency in Iraq or Afghanistan with all their satellites, radar, drones, smart bombs, and countless other equipment.

In a war with Texas, it would be less like the cινιℓ ωαr and more like Iraq or Afghanistan. Local insurgents, guerrilla tactics, wear them down, etc.
Only it's easier to demonize the "evil towel heads", "nips" or "nαzιs" than it is to demonize a bunch of fellow Americans... Those Americans doing the slaughtering would have to be VERY, very brainwashed.

Of course you would get support and reinforcments from all us "insurgents" crossing the border into the Republic of Texas. :wink:

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Yes they are not making a stance against murder but using red tape  to shut down the clinics.

Is it a matter of shutting down the clinics? I doubt it. They are more interested in making them seem less like butcher shops. It's too embarrassing when women are damaged, sometimes mortally, by abortion.

And don't they care that babies feel pain before 20 weeks?

The bill is certainly a step forward but not an end to the vile practice. If they had their way it would be like a fast food drive thru service.

It does disgust me to know people who protested for the "women's" rights on this very bill. Of course none of them have kids themselves and have plenty of time to organize color matching shirts and feminine products as props. They go out for drinks after and pat themselves on the back for being great people, fighting for human, civil, woman's rights. Anyone who doesn't see it their way is a backwards moron.

As a father of several little ones, there's little time for protesting and no time to give the adulation these ego driven politicians crave. We had to be the ones in the "trenches" of life actually living and bringing up a better next generation.