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Traditional Catholic Faith => General Discussion => Topic started by: Matthew on July 13, 2013, 03:04:17 PM
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Austin, Texas (CNN) -- A bill that places new restrictions on abortion passed the Texas Senate on Friday after days of debate that galvanized activists nationwide.
It was the second attempt by the measure's supporters to pass the bill in the Senate -- it originally failed to gain approval because of a filibuster by Democratic Sen. Wendy Davis.
The Senate voted 19 to 11 to approve the restrictions.
Republican Gov. Rick Perry, who supports the new abortion laws, called the state Legislature back into a second special session to continue consideration of the bill, which passed the Texas House on Wednesday.
Wendy Davis: Filibuster 'amazing moment' Perry: Filibuster senator was a teen mom
The measure bans abortions past 20 weeks of gestation, mandates abortion clinics become ambulatory surgical centers, tightens usage guidelines for the drug RU486 and requires doctors who perform abortions to have admitting privileges at a hospital within 30 miles of the clinic at which they're providing such services.
Opinion: It's the real Texans who count
Critics of the measure say it would shut down most abortion clinics in Texas -- denying access to many in rural communities -- and force women to seek dangerous back-alley abortions.
The Republican legislators who support it say the bill isn't about banning abortions, but rather about protecting women's health.
The special session was marked by loud protests and high-profile voices from both sides of the abortion debate.
Taking a swipe at former Republican Sen. Rick Santorum, who came to Austin to support the bill, Democratic Sen. Kirk Watson made a final appeal to the Republicans to vote no, asking them to: "Take this chance to stop, take this chance to think, take this chance to stop listening to the partisans and failed presidential candidates."
Cowboy Rick Perry will ride again - in 2016
However, for supporters of the bill such as Sen. Jane Nelson, the bill's measures are long overdue.
"There is a clear choice in this vote tonight," she said. "Do we keep the lax standards, do we forgo safeguards, do we ignore the evidence that at 20 weeks we have a child who can feel? Or do we choose life?"
The roars of the crowd in the rotunda were audible throughout the Senate debate and at one point, abortion rights protesters disrupted the proceedings in the Senate gallery. One protester, singing quietly to the chamber, chained herself to a railing in the gallery and brought the session to a brief halt.
The bill makes its way to Perry, who will sign it into law.
"Today the Texas Legislature took its final step in our historic effort to protect life," Perry said after the bill's passage. "This legislation builds on the strong and unwavering commitment we have made to defend life and protect women's health. I am proud of our lawmakers and citizens who tirelessly defended our smallest and most vulnerable Texans and future Texans."
Planned Parenthood, a leading reproductive health provider, decried the passage and called on voters to throw out the politicians who voted for it.
"If you are angry about what happened in Texas tonight -- and what's happening in other states all around the country -- there is something you can do about it," spokeswoman Dawn Laguens said. "Register to vote, and vote for candidates who will protect women's access to health care."
Read more: North Carolina House passes restrictive abortion bill
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Planned Parenthood, a leading reproductive health provider, decried the passage and called on voters to throw out the politicians who voted for it.
"If you are angry about what happened in Texas tonight -- and what's happening in other states all around the country -- there is something you can do about it," spokeswoman Dawn Laguens said. "Register to vote, and vote for candidates who will protect women's access to health care."
"Women's access to health care" -- you mean slaughtering babies in the womb. Let's not mince words here.
You don't care about women's health ONE IOTA, Dawn Laguens, and I'm calling you out on that. What you want is the maximum number of babies to be slaughtered per year.
May God's will be done to you.
Considering that murder is one of the Four Sins that Cry Out to Heaven For Vengeance, and murder of innocent babies in the womb has to be about the worst variety of murder...
While none of us can say that our salvation is assured, you have virtually sealed your fate, Ms. Laguens.
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I think someone will sue and the supreme court will call this new law unconstitutional.
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I think someone will sue and the supreme court will call this new law unconstitutional.
Time for Texas to secede from the union!
I'd be all for it.
I wouldn't mind having to get a passport to visit the Yanks up north...
You know that's popular sentiment here -- a local brewery "Lone Star Beer" has a whole line of advertisements which play off this sentiment:
"Lone Star -- The National Beer of Texas"
"Lone Star: Every other beer is an import."
basically repeating the theme that Texas is its own country.
And we should be!!! YEEEEE-HAW!
:cowboy:
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Time for Texas to secede from the union!
I'd be all for it.
I agree that this would be a good thing.
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For many people, the most important thing in the world is that women are able to murder their babies legally.
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Critics of the measure say it would shut down most abortion clinics in Texas -- denying access to many in rural communities
Name one Planned Parenthood in a "rural community". That's ridiculous.
They're always in cities. That's where the blacks and hispanics live. And that's who Planned Parenthood especially targets. The numbers don't lie. Look them up if you don't believe me. In fact, I hope you don't believe me. Go look them up.
Remember that -- more blacks and other minorities die by abortion than any other race. Planned Parenthood was founded by eugenicist Margaret Sanger. Her views were right in line with the notorious Adolf Hitler. She was truly a racist, in the negative, pejorative sense it is used today ("hatred of other races").
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Time for Texas to secede from the union!
I'd be all for it.
I agree that this would be a good thing.
We wouldn't be missing a darn thing if we seceded.
We have our own electric grid (unlike most states!), plenty of food, certainly plenty of farmland and cattle, plenty of water, plenty of military, plenty of energy (oil, wind, solar), etc.
And the few things we don't have we can always import :)
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Critics of the measure say it would shut down most abortion clinics in Texas -- denying access to many in rural communities
Name one Planned Parenthood in a "rural community". That's ridiculous.
They're always in cities. That's where the blacks and hispanics live. And that's who Planned Parenthood especially targets. The numbers don't lie. Look them up if you don't believe me. In fact, I hope you don't believe me. Go look them up.
Remember that -- more blacks and other minorities die by abortion than any other race. Planned Parenthood was founded by eugenicist Margaret Sanger. Her views were right in line with the notorious Adolf Hitler. She was truly a racist, in the negative, pejorative sense it is used today ("hatred of other races").
I constantly hear this from pro-life groups and I know Sanger was trying to kill off blacks, but I've only seen white women go into surgical abortion clinics. A man I knew who protested outside of them for many years remarked when he saw the first Hispanic woman. I do know a Mexican woman who had four abortions.
What struck me was how financially comfortable the white families were, there were lots of nice cars.
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It's interesting this is happening as Catholic Ireland is trying to go in the opposite direction. Making abortion more available.
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I constantly hear this from pro-life groups and I know Sanger was trying to kill off blacks, but I've only seen white women go into surgical abortion clinics. A man I knew who protested outside of them for many years remarked when he saw the first Hispanic woman. I do know a Mexican woman who had four abortions.
What struck me was how financially comfortable the white families were, there were lots of nice cars.
I just pulled up "planned parenthood locations" in this area on Google maps and the patterns are interesting. You can't completely trust the map as it pulled up a few that just had similar key words, but generally they're in (1) large cities -- SA, Austin, Houston; (2) college towns; and (3) a cluster of 9! clinics between McAllen and Brownsville (most southern tip of TX).
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and force women to seek dangerous back-alley abortions.
I honestly was forced to read this line with Homer Simpson's "dead serious/earnest" voice (while holding both hands on either side of his face and wiggling his fingers).
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Will this new law punish the women and doctors who seek and perform illegal abortions with prison?
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On the point of black people and abortion, I do wonder if many are having abortions.
A friend of mine was leafleting for a pro-life rally a few years in an Irish suburb that has attracted coloured immigrants. The local people he encountered had at most one or two children whilst the African people had 4,5, even 7 children.
The black people were smiling when taking the pro-life leaflet whilst the white women were quite miserable and never even smiled.
The black people seemed to be more against abortion in that case.
Though in Ireland now, the pro-immigration groups have started to use black women to agitate for abortion. A woman from Nigeria appeared on the platform of pro-abort groups when they were using the death of an Indian woman, to push for abortion.
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On the point of black people and abortion, I do wonder if many are having abortions.
A friend of mine was leafleting for a pro-life rally a few years in an Irish suburb that has attracted coloured immigrants. The local people he encountered had at most one or two children whilst the African people had 4,5, even 7 children.
The black people were smiling when taking the pro-life leaflet whilst the white women were quite miserable and never even smiled.
The black people seemed to be more against abortion in that case.
Though in Ireland now, the pro-immigration groups have started to use black women to agitate for abortion. A woman from Nigeria appeared on the platform of pro-abort groups when they were using the death of an Indian woman, to push for abortion.
I can't speak to the situation in Ireland or elsewhere, as I don't live there. But what I said is quite accurate for America.
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(3) a cluster of 9! clinics between McAllen and Brownsville (most southern tip of TX).
See, they want to kill lots of Mexican babies.
For those who don't know, in the southern extremity of Texas you hear as much Spanish as English -- probably more.
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At a pro-abortion meeting that some pro-life activists went undercover at, the pro-abortion folk spoke of using asylum seekers as test cases in Ireland.
Tiffany made a good point about the White women going in to abortuaries. Perhaps white liberals?
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At a pro-abortion meeting that some pro-life activists went undercover at, the pro-abortion folk spoke of using asylum seekers as test cases in Ireland.
Tiffany made a good point about the White women going in to abortuaries. Perhaps white liberals?
Yes, some whites have certainly availed themselves of the services of Planned Parenthood (for abortions, I mean).
But they are a smaller percentage, especially when compared to the total number of whites.
In general, whites tend to be on board with the whole "birth control" thing, and consider abortion to be a back-up, whereas blacks and hispanics are more likely to "neglect" birth control. (I put it in quotes, because birth control isn't exactly a good thing)
Hispanics, because their Roman Catholic heritage frowns on birth control, and they're still working on getting fully modern in that department.
Blacks have their own reasons as well. I think I can guess some of the reasons, but I won't go into it here.
The point is, Planned Parenthood wants to take out as many minority babies as possible. The democrats who protect PP with their very blood need to know that they're supporting eugenics and "racism". Maybe that will make them stop and think.
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Do the doctors who perform abortions at planned parenthood offer up their victims as sacrifices to devils? I once heard that some do, but I don't have any idea if this is true.
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There is no doubt that "birth control" and use of contraception is widespread in Ireland. There is no outrage about it.
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There is no doubt that "birth control" and use of contraception is widespread in Ireland. There is no outrage about it.
Birth Control.
There's a misnomer if there ever was one.
It involves neither "birth", nor "control". Both of those words sound good in the abstract. Control is a good thing, and births are a great thing.
Those words weren't picked by accident.
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Birth Control.
There's a misnomer if there ever was one.
It involves neither "birth", nor "control".
That reminds me of something Chesterton said (let me paraphrase):
Birth control means no birth and no control.
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There is no doubt that "birth control" and use of contraception is widespread in Ireland. There is no outrage about it.
same here
The pro-life groups basically ignore medical abortions & contraceptives and target surgical abortions here. This is especially true for trying to get the privileges of physicians revoked at Catholic hospitals. At a "pro-life" meeting once they were having a physician who prescribed the birth control pill come and do a presentation about the evils surgical abortion. :barf:
You also see many with thinking which I think results from the Hyde Amendment. She should have used birth control. Denying abortion is more like a punishment that she should sleep in the bed she made. Very pro-birth control.
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I think someone will sue and the supreme court will call this new law unconstitutional.
Time for Texas to secede from the union!
I'd be all for it.
I wouldn't mind having to get a passport to visit the Yanks up north...
You know that's popular sentiment here -- a local brewery "Lone Star Beer" has a whole line of advertisements which play off this sentiment:
"Lone Star -- The National Beer of Texas"
"Lone Star: Every other beer is an import."
basically repeating the theme that Texas is its own country.
And we should be!!! YEEEEE-HAW!
:cowboy:
That's a good thought Matthew and this damned Yankee is with you on this, but, unfortunately you would be crushed like the first time around, this evil arrogant gov't probably would use NATO forces to keep anyone from seceding from the new American Iron Curtain known as the "Union".
I do believe the country will come apart but this movement will be indictive throught the country, no one state or a few will be allowed to go their separate way without and all out assault by the feds. What we need is some type of Egypt-style "Arab Spring" where those that are really oppressed will come together in a common cause and cause for real Change once and for all.
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Critics of the measure say it would shut down most abortion clinics in Texas -- denying access to many in rural communities
Name one Planned Parenthood in a "rural community". That's ridiculous.
They're always in cities. That's where the blacks and hispanics live. And that's who Planned Parenthood especially targets. The numbers don't lie. Look them up if you don't believe me. In fact, I hope you don't believe me. Go look them up.
Remember that -- more blacks and other minorities die by abortion than any other race. Planned Parenthood was founded by eugenicist Margaret Sanger. Her views were right in line with the notorious Adolf Hitler. She was truly a racist, in the negative, pejorative sense it is used today ("hatred of other races").
I constantly hear this from pro-life groups and I know Sanger was trying to kill off blacks, but I've only seen white women go into surgical abortion clinics. A man I knew who protested outside of them for many years remarked when he saw the first Hispanic woman. I do know a Mexican woman who had four abortions.
What struck me was how financially comfortable the white families were, there were lots of nice cars.
I think you're right here, more white babies have been offed by abortion than any other race, it's just the only time it's a real cause for concern is when black and so-called "minority" infants are being aborted in record numbers. This whole "conspiracy" about PP being startegically located in the urban areas to wipe out blacks is a bunch of bunk, it's just most rural people are probably more religious and moral and don't allow them butcher shops in their backyards.
The people behind infanticide don't really care what race is getting taken out first, they have no concept of the dignity of human life no matter what flavor it comes in. This is purely a diabolical agenda.
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There is no doubt that "birth control" and use of contraception is widespread in Ireland. There is no outrage about it.
same here
The pro-life groups basically ignore medical abortions & contraceptives and target surgical abortions here. This is especially true for trying to get the privileges of physicians revoked at Catholic hospitals. At a "pro-life" meeting once they were having a physician who prescribed the birth control pill come and do a presentation about the evils surgical abortion. :barf:
You also see many with thinking which I think results from the Hyde Amendment. She should have used birth control. Denying abortion is more like a punishment that she should sleep in the bed she made. Very pro-birth control.
For example when 'Boots' Chemist/Pharmacy started to distribute the 'Morning After Pill' 'over the counter' without prescription as far as I am aware none of the pro-life groups did a campaign or if they did, it made no impact.
As for hospitals, with this abortion bill in Ireland, if enacted staff will have to go to prison. Catholic doctors and nurses are banding together and they need prayers and encouragement. There are already support groups but a Catholic guild for doctors or nurses is needed. I mentioned it to a few people.
When I was at university I had a campaign to stop contraception being promoted on the college campus and took on the pro-abortion student unions.
Most of the Irish pro-life groups do not take a position on contraception.
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They are many abortion clinics apart from PP too.
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http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/ss6108a1.htm
Race/Ethnicity
Among the 29 areas that reported cross-classified race/ethnicity data for 2009 (Table 12), non-Hispanic white women and non-Hispanic black women accounted for the largest percentages of abortions (37.7% and 35.4%, respectively), whereas Hispanic women and non-Hispanic women in the other races category accounted for smaller percentages (20.6% and 6.3%, respectively). Non-Hispanic white women had the lowest abortion rates (8.5 abortions per 1,000 women aged 15–44 years) and ratios (140 abortions per 1,000 live births), whereas non-Hispanic black women had the highest abortion rates (32.5 abortions per 1,000 women aged 15–44 years) and ratios (477 abortions per 1,000 live births). Among the 24 areas**** that reported by race/ethnicity every year during 2007–2009, abortion rates decreased for all racial/ethnic groups. The abortion rate decreased 7% for non-Hispanic white women (from 9.1 abortions per 1,000 women in 2007 to 8.5 in 2009) and 6% for Hispanic women (from 20.5 abortions per 1,000 women in 2007 to 19.3 in 2009) but only 1% for non-Hispanic black women (from 34.6 abortions per 1,000 women in 2007 to 34.2 in 2009). In contrast, abortion ratios decreased among non-Hispanic white women but not among women in any other racial/ethnic group. For non-Hispanic white women, the abortion ratio decreased 3% (from 143 abortions per 1,000 live births in 2007 to 138 in 2009), whereas the abortion ratio increased 4% for non-Hispanic black women (from 481 abortions per 1,000 live births in 2007 to 501 in 2009) and 2% for Hispanic women (from 192 abortions per 1,000 live births in 2007 to 195 in 2009). Data also are reported separately by race and by ethnicity for 2009 (Tables 13 and 15) and for 2000–2009 (Tables 14 and 16).
Not only are blacks targeted in the U.S. but the U.S. government has been targeting blacks and non-whites worldwide. Investigate NSSM 200. http://www.hli.org/kissinger-report/193
Thirteen countries are named in the report as particularly problematic with respect to U.S. security interests: India, Bangladesh, Pakistan, Indonesia, Thailand, the Philippines, Turkey, Nigeria, Egypt, Ethiopia, Mexico, Colombia, and Brazil. These countries are projected to create 47 percent of all world population growth.
The report advocates the promotion of education and contraception and other population control measures, stating for instance that "No country has reduced its population growth without resorting to abortion".
It also raises the question of whether the U.S. should consider preferential allocation of surplus food supplies to states that are deemed constructive in use of population control measures.
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Name one Planned Parenthood in a "rural community". That's ridiculous. They're always in cities.
Were that it were true, but I have seen a Planned Parenthood office in Globe, AZ.
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Will this new law punish the women and doctors who seek and perform illegal abortions with prison?
Since abortion is willful premeditated murder, the punishment should be death.
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Since abortion is willful premeditated murder, the punishment should be death.
I would support that. But I know there is no way this new law would punish those who break it with death.
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http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/ss6108a1.htm
Race/Ethnicity
Among the 29 areas that reported cross-classified race/ethnicity data for 2009 (Table 12), non-Hispanic white women and non-Hispanic black women accounted for the largest percentages of abortions (37.7% and 35.4%, respectively), whereas Hispanic women and non-Hispanic women in the other races category accounted for smaller percentages (20.6% and 6.3%, respectively). Non-Hispanic white women had the lowest abortion rates (8.5 abortions per 1,000 women aged 15–44 years) and ratios (140 abortions per 1,000 live births), whereas non-Hispanic black women had the highest abortion rates (32.5 abortions per 1,000 women aged 15–44 years) and ratios (477 abortions per 1,000 live births). Among the 24 areas**** that reported by race/ethnicity every year during 2007–2009, abortion rates decreased for all racial/ethnic groups. The abortion rate decreased 7% for non-Hispanic white women (from 9.1 abortions per 1,000 women in 2007 to 8.5 in 2009) and 6% for Hispanic women (from 20.5 abortions per 1,000 women in 2007 to 19.3 in 2009) but only 1% for non-Hispanic black women (from 34.6 abortions per 1,000 women in 2007 to 34.2 in 2009). In contrast, abortion ratios decreased among non-Hispanic white women but not among women in any other racial/ethnic group. For non-Hispanic white women, the abortion ratio decreased 3% (from 143 abortions per 1,000 live births in 2007 to 138 in 2009), whereas the abortion ratio increased 4% for non-Hispanic black women (from 481 abortions per 1,000 live births in 2007 to 501 in 2009) and 2% for Hispanic women (from 192 abortions per 1,000 live births in 2007 to 195 in 2009). Data also are reported separately by race and by ethnicity for 2009 (Tables 13 and 15) and for 2000–2009 (Tables 14 and 16).
Not only are blacks targeted in the U.S. but the U.S. government has been targeting blacks and non-whites worldwide. Investigate NSSM 200. http://www.hli.org/kissinger-report/193
Thirteen countries are named in the report as particularly problematic with respect to U.S. security interests: India, Bangladesh, Pakistan, Indonesia, Thailand, the Philippines, Turkey, Nigeria, Egypt, Ethiopia, Mexico, Colombia, and Brazil. These countries are projected to create 47 percent of all world population growth.
The report advocates the promotion of education and contraception and other population control measures, stating for instance that "No country has reduced its population growth without resorting to abortion".
It also raises the question of whether the U.S. should consider preferential allocation of surplus food supplies to states that are deemed constructive in use of population control measures.
Of course you left out this little tidbit at the bottom of the chart;
"* Data from 29 reporting areas; excludes 23 reporting areas (California, Connecticut, Delaware, Florida, Hawaii, Illinois, Iowa, Louisiana, Maryland, Massachusetts, Michigan, Nebraska, Nevada, New Hampshire, New Mexico, North Carolina, Oklahoma, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, Vermont, Washington, Wisconsin, and Wyoming) that did not report, did not report by race/ethnicity, or did not meet reporting standards.
† Percentages for the individual component categories might not add to 100 because of rounding.
§ Calculated as the number of abortions reported by known race/ethnicity divided by the sum of abortions reported by known and unknown race/ethnicity.
¶ Because reporting is not mandatory, information could not be obtained for all abortions performed in the District of Columbia.
** Data from hospitals and licensed ambulatory care facilities only; because reporting is not mandatory for private physicians and women's centers, information could not be obtained for all abortions performed in New Jersey.
†† Non-Hispanic categories include abortions for women whose ethnicity was reported as unknown; previous evaluation has shown that most reports without ethnicity are for non-Hispanic women.
§§ Reporting form contains only one question for race and ethnicity; therefore, abortions reported for women of white, black, and other races (Asian and Native American) are not explicitly identified as non-Hispanic.
¶¶ Number of abortions obtained by women in a given race/ethnicity group per 1,000 women in that same group. For each state, abortions for women of unknown race/ethnicity were distributed according to the distribution of abortions among women of known race/ethnicity for that state.
*** Number of abortions obtained by women in a given race/ethnicity group per 1,000 live births to women in that same race/ethnicity group. For each state, "
Those statistics are seriously flawed. Not only that they only go back to the year 2000.
I gaurntee you that millions more white babies were aborted since Roe v Wade in 1973 than any other race or ethnic minority, only now are the other races just playing catchup. Not that any of this is any good for anyone of any race.
But the demons that are behind abortion are out to kill any babies no matter what color, there is no secret global plan to take out the darker races, the devil hates all humans, period.
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That's a good thought Matthew and this damned Yankee is with you on this, but, unfortunately you would be crushed like the first time around, this evil arrogant gov't probably would use NATO forces to keep anyone from seceding from the new American Iron Curtain known as the "Union".
No army of men can prevail against the army of God. Our Lord told St. Margaret Mary Alacoque that if King Louis XIV would put the Sacred Heart on his standard and arms he would defeat his enemies. Should we fair worse if we were to fight against the tyranny of this satanic society if we did as Our Lord requested and stood together in faith? I think not!
But then, I am a member of the Church Militant, not the church pathetic.
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http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/ss6108a1.htm
Race/Ethnicity
Among the 29 areas that reported cross-classified race/ethnicity data for 2009 (Table 12), non-Hispanic white women and non-Hispanic black women accounted for the largest percentages of abortions (37.7% and 35.4%, respectively), whereas Hispanic women and non-Hispanic women in the other races category accounted for smaller percentages (20.6% and 6.3%, respectively). Non-Hispanic white women had the lowest abortion rates (8.5 abortions per 1,000 women aged 15–44 years) and ratios (140 abortions per 1,000 live births), whereas non-Hispanic black women had the highest abortion rates (32.5 abortions per 1,000 women aged 15–44 years) and ratios (477 abortions per 1,000 live births). Among the 24 areas**** that reported by race/ethnicity every year during 2007–2009, abortion rates decreased for all racial/ethnic groups. The abortion rate decreased 7% for non-Hispanic white women (from 9.1 abortions per 1,000 women in 2007 to 8.5 in 2009) and 6% for Hispanic women (from 20.5 abortions per 1,000 women in 2007 to 19.3 in 2009) but only 1% for non-Hispanic black women (from 34.6 abortions per 1,000 women in 2007 to 34.2 in 2009). In contrast, abortion ratios decreased among non-Hispanic white women but not among women in any other racial/ethnic group. For non-Hispanic white women, the abortion ratio decreased 3% (from 143 abortions per 1,000 live births in 2007 to 138 in 2009), whereas the abortion ratio increased 4% for non-Hispanic black women (from 481 abortions per 1,000 live births in 2007 to 501 in 2009) and 2% for Hispanic women (from 192 abortions per 1,000 live births in 2007 to 195 in 2009). Data also are reported separately by race and by ethnicity for 2009 (Tables 13 and 15) and for 2000–2009 (Tables 14 and 16).
Not only are blacks targeted in the U.S. but the U.S. government has been targeting blacks and non-whites worldwide. Investigate NSSM 200. http://www.hli.org/kissinger-report/193
Thirteen countries are named in the report as particularly problematic with respect to U.S. security interests: India, Bangladesh, Pakistan, Indonesia, Thailand, the Philippines, Turkey, Nigeria, Egypt, Ethiopia, Mexico, Colombia, and Brazil. These countries are projected to create 47 percent of all world population growth.
The report advocates the promotion of education and contraception and other population control measures, stating for instance that "No country has reduced its population growth without resorting to abortion".
It also raises the question of whether the U.S. should consider preferential allocation of surplus food supplies to states that are deemed constructive in use of population control measures.
The US should stop all food shipments & USAID. We have many in need herel
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Tiffany said:
The US should stop all food shipments & USAID. We have many in need herel
I don't disagree, but basically this is not the issue. It is the attack on those who are not "constructive in use of population control measures". In other words: stop "breeding" or you'll pay!
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There is no doubt that "birth control" and use of contraception is widespread in Ireland. There is no outrage about it.
Outside of religious enclaves that see abortion as murder, is there any outrage anywhere?
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The measure bans abortions past 20 weeks of gestation, mandates abortion clinics become ambulatory surgical centers, tightens usage guidelines for the drug RU486 and requires doctors who perform abortions to have admitting privileges at a hospital within 30 miles of the clinic at which they're providing such services.
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The Republican legislators who support it say the bill isn't about banning abortions, but rather about protecting women's health.
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There is a clear choice in this vote tonight," she said. "Do we keep the lax standards, do we forgo safeguards, do we ignore the evidence that at 20 weeks we have a child who can feel? Or do we choose life?"
Yes, it seems more like away of saving women, than bringing babies to term.
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I think someone will sue and the supreme court will call this new law unconstitutional.
Time for Texas to secede from the union!
I'd be all for it.
I wouldn't mind having to get a passport to visit the Yanks up north...
You know that's popular sentiment here -- a local brewery "Lone Star Beer" has a whole line of advertisements which play off this sentiment:
"Lone Star -- The National Beer of Texas"
"Lone Star: Every other beer is an import."
basically repeating the theme that Texas is its own country.
And we should be!!! YEEEEE-HAW!
:cowboy:
If Texas was able to secede, I would be living there the same day it happened. I have never visited the great state of Texas, but I hope to someday.
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But then, I am a member of the Church Militant, not the church pathetic.
That's not meant to be a accusation of you, Alaric. It's just how I feel about our current situation in general.
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I don't think I agree with making laws on what type of facility murder should take place in or where the physician needs to have privileges at. I just read a yahoo news article, a pro-life rep is saying how they want it safer for women.
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Tiffany said:
The US should stop all food shipments & USAID. We have many in need herel
I don't disagree, but basically this is not the issue. It is the attack on those who are not "constructive in use of population control measures". In other words: stop "breeding" or you'll pay!
GWB kept the Mexico City policy.
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The measure bans abortions past 20 weeks of gestation, mandates abortion clinics become ambulatory surgical centers, tightens usage guidelines for the drug RU486 and requires doctors who perform abortions to have admitting privileges at a hospital within 30 miles of the clinic at which they're providing such services.
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The Republican legislators who support it say the bill isn't about banning abortions, but rather about protecting women's health.
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There is a clear choice in this vote tonight," she said. "Do we keep the lax standards, do we forgo safeguards, do we ignore the evidence that at 20 weeks we have a child who can feel? Or do we choose life?"
Yes, it seems more like away of saving women, than bringing babies to term.
I missed this before I posted. Yes they are not making a stance against murder but using red tape to shut down the clinics.
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But then, I am a member of the Church Militant, not the church pathetic.
That's not meant to be a accusation of you, Alaric. It's just how I feel about our current situation in general.
We are in agreement, but sadly the church pathetic rules the day in these times. Hopefully the modernist church will breed itself out of existence soon enough, if that's even possible.
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There is no doubt that "birth control" and use of contraception is widespread in Ireland. There is no outrage about it.
Outside of religious enclaves that see abortion as murder, is there any outrage anywhere?
Ireland, one of the last bastions of Catholic culture in the West,, seems to be on board with the anti-Christ world system these days, very dissappointing.
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I don't think I agree with making laws on what type of facility murder should take place in or where the physician needs to have privileges at. I just read a yahoo news article, a pro-life rep is saying how they want it safer for women.[/quote] That makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.
What is this rep saying?
"Hi, I'm pro-life, but I want to make it easier for women to kill their offspring"
Talk about chutzpah.
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Time for Texas to secede from the union!
I'd be all for it.
I agree that this would be a good thing.
We wouldn't be missing a darn thing if we seceded.
We have our own electric grid (unlike most states!), plenty of food, certainly plenty of farmland and cattle, plenty of water, plenty of military, plenty of energy (oil, wind, solar), etc.
And the few things we don't have we can always import :)
Ahh...but Texas doesn't have something which counts...a viable Armed Forces which could repel the US Armed Forces. 150 years ago, a whole region of the USA attempted to secede and were militarily defeated (more like devastated). What would make you think that the State of Texas could take on the USA military? Don't get me wrong, I'm all for any state having the right to secede. But the reality is the Federal Government will not in any way, shape or form, tolerate anything like a state seceding. And the US Armed Forces will strike and kill fellow Americans trying to secede if ordered to do so. This is reality. Texas wouldn't have a chance.
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Ahh...but Texas doesn't have something which counts...a viable Armed Forces which could repel the US Armed Forces. 150 years ago, a whole region of the USA attempted to secede and were militarily defeated (more like devastated). What would make you think that the State of Texas could take on the USA military? Don't get me wrong, I'm all for any state having the right to secede. But the reality is the Federal Government will not in any way, shape or form, tolerate anything like a state seceding. And the US Armed Forces will strike and kill fellow Americans trying to secede if ordered to do so. This is reality. Texas wouldn't have a chance.
You have to remember that if the South had seceeded and adopted the free trade policy Northern ports would have been devastated by a loss in business since they used the protectionist system. The South relied on the liberal free trade system, the North on the conservative protectionist system. :wink:
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Time for Texas to secede from the union!
I'd be all for it.
I agree that this would be a good thing.
We wouldn't be missing a darn thing if we seceded.
We have our own electric grid (unlike most states!), plenty of food, certainly plenty of farmland and cattle, plenty of water, plenty of military, plenty of energy (oil, wind, solar), etc.
And the few things we don't have we can always import :)
Ahh...but Texas doesn't have something which counts...a viable Armed Forces which could repel the US Armed Forces. 150 years ago, a whole region of the USA attempted to secede and were militarily defeated (more like devastated). What would make you think that the State of Texas could take on the USA military? Don't get me wrong, I'm all for any state having the right to secede. But the reality is the Federal Government will not in any way, shape or form, tolerate anything like a state seceding. And the US Armed Forces will strike and kill fellow Americans trying to secede if ordered to do so. This is reality. Texas wouldn't have a chance.
We don't need an army -- just a rag-tag militia will do.
You know, the US military really sucks these days. They can't even put down an insurgency in Iraq or Afghanistan with all their satellites, radar, drones, smart bombs, and countless other equipment.
In a war with Texas, it would be less like the cινιℓ ωαr and more like Iraq or Afghanistan. Local insurgents, guerrilla tactics, wear them down, etc.
Only it's easier to demonize the "evil towel heads", "nips" or "nαzιs" than it is to demonize a bunch of fellow Americans... Those Americans doing the slaughtering would have to be VERY, very brainwashed.
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You know, the US military really sucks these days.
Actually no army can withstand the might of terrorism used to bleed and bankrupt empires. The British, French, Americans, and the Red Army were all chased out of the Middle East by Islamic terrorism because they exhausted themselves.
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Time for Texas to secede from the union!
I'd be all for it.
I agree that this would be a good thing.
We wouldn't be missing a darn thing if we seceded.
We have our own electric grid (unlike most states!), plenty of food, certainly plenty of farmland and cattle, plenty of water, plenty of military, plenty of energy (oil, wind, solar), etc.
And the few things we don't have we can always import :)
Ahh...but Texas doesn't have something which counts...a viable Armed Forces which could repel the US Armed Forces. 150 years ago, a whole region of the USA attempted to secede and were militarily defeated (more like devastated). What would make you think that the State of Texas could take on the USA military? Don't get me wrong, I'm all for any state having the right to secede. But the reality is the Federal Government will not in any way, shape or form, tolerate anything like a state seceding. And the US Armed Forces will strike and kill fellow Americans trying to secede if ordered to do so. This is reality. Texas wouldn't have a chance.
We don't need an army -- just a rag-tag militia will do.
You know, the US military really sucks these days. They can't even put down an insurgency in Iraq or Afghanistan with all their satellites, radar, drones, smart bombs, and countless other equipment.
In a war with Texas, it would be less like the cινιℓ ωαr and more like Iraq or Afghanistan. Local insurgents, guerrilla tactics, wear them down, etc.
Only it's easier to demonize the "evil towel heads", "nips" or "nαzιs" than it is to demonize a bunch of fellow Americans... Those Americans doing the slaughtering would have to be VERY, very brainwashed.
We are doing a Sunday School mission in Afghanistan. Paying farmers not to grow drugs and sending girls to be vet assistants.
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We are doing a Sunday School mission in Afghanistan. Paying farmers not to grow drugs and sending girls to be vet assistants.
In other words we are imposing feminism on the Islamic world...
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They are many abortion clinics apart from PP too.
Indeed, the debate on the prolife side tends to revolve around this satanic organization to the exclusion of others.
They are big, but they dont have a monopoly.
I have wondered if they are there to provide a big fat target and allow the others to operate with less hassle.
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Time for Texas to secede from the union!
I'd be all for it.
I agree that this would be a good thing.
We wouldn't be missing a darn thing if we seceded.
We have our own electric grid (unlike most states!), plenty of food, certainly plenty of farmland and cattle, plenty of water, plenty of military, plenty of energy (oil, wind, solar), etc.
And the few things we don't have we can always import :)
Ahh...but Texas doesn't have something which counts...a viable Armed Forces which could repel the US Armed Forces. 150 years ago, a whole region of the USA attempted to secede and were militarily defeated (more like devastated). What would make you think that the State of Texas could take on the USA military? Don't get me wrong, I'm all for any state having the right to secede. But the reality is the Federal Government will not in any way, shape or form, tolerate anything like a state seceding. And the US Armed Forces will strike and kill fellow Americans trying to secede if ordered to do so. This is reality. Texas wouldn't have a chance.
We don't need an army -- just a rag-tag militia will do.
You know, the US military really sucks these days. They can't even put down an insurgency in Iraq or Afghanistan with all their satellites, radar, drones, smart bombs, and countless other equipment.
In a war with Texas, it would be less like the cινιℓ ωαr and more like Iraq or Afghanistan. Local insurgents, guerrilla tactics, wear them down, etc.
Only it's easier to demonize the "evil towel heads", "nips" or "nαzιs" than it is to demonize a bunch of fellow Americans... Those Americans doing the slaughtering would have to be VERY, very brainwashed.
One big difference between the USA and Afghanistan, is that irregular warfare has been a way of life for the Afghans for at least 4000 years. The US has not had a major conflict on it's soil since the cινιℓ ωαr. Most Americans are soft and weak and have little or no military experience; still less with the unsavory tactics required to fight and win an insurgency.
The insurgent must be willing to accept massive civilian casualties, and to have the unwavering support of the vast majority of the people. Outside support is also a necessity.The Taliban have all of those advantages; I doubt any US insurgency would. Once the electricity is cut off and people start dying, any insurgency would peter out quickly. The only possible source of outside aid would be Russia, and even that would be doubtful. I can only think of one person I know who would be able to carry out an insurgency. He is a graduate of BUDS (Navy Seal school) and spent years doing black ops for SOCOM. Such people are exceedingly rare, yet they would be the only Americans who would have anything close to the qualifications of an Afghan in irregular warfare.
Anyone who thinks an organized American insurgency would have a fighting chance against the US military is extremely naive.
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We are doing a Sunday School mission in Afghanistan. Paying farmers not to grow drugs and sending girls to be vet assistants.
In other words we are imposing feminism on the Islamic world...
That was the entire point of Iraq and Afghanistan. Spread "freedom and democracy" (in your best GWB accent of course!).
The reality? Drugs, porn, feminism, and secularism are out chief exports to these countries. We give them filth and take their oil.
And people wonder why they hate us.....
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Only it's easier to demonize the "evil towel heads", "nips" or "nαzιs" than it is to demonize a bunch of fellow Americans... Those Americans doing the slaughtering would have to be VERY, very brainwashed.
One other note.....those American who would be part of an insurgency have already been demonized as Neo-nαzι, racist, neo-Confederate, right-wing, anti-government, conspiracy theorist nutjobs. The FBI had no problem killing at Ruby Ridge or Waco. What makes you think that would be different in a larger scale conflict?
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Very interesting comments but I shall try answer question regarding outrage.
Whilst not the night of the vote on the abortion bill about 40,000 people attended a Justin Timberlake concert in Dublin. Whilst Justin "rocked Dublin", a few hundred people prayed the rosary outside the parliament. Armed with "spiritual sling-shots" you had all walks of life there.
It's not every day you see working class men in their 20s and 30s from inner city Dublin praying the rosary and putting Blessed salt around the footpath and gates of the parliament. Holy water was also sprinkled. All at 4am!!
Perhaps the Dublin liberals were at the rock concert but the working man was certainly present outside the parliament and clearly Catholic and opposed to abortion.
All is not lost in Ireland.
The night of the vote on abortion, most of the politicians were drunk. As I stated elsewhere, one male placed a female colleague on his knee. All captured on live television. So a big party in full swing the night/early morning during a farce of a "debate" on murdering babies in the womb.
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In a wider context these enemies of Catholics are no fools and we all must study and know their methods and counter them.
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We are doing a Sunday School mission in Afghanistan. Paying farmers not to grow drugs and sending girls to be vet assistants.
In other words we are imposing feminism on the Islamic world...
That was the entire point of Iraq and Afghanistan. Spread "freedom and democracy" (in your best GWB accent of course!).
The reality? Drugs, porn, feminism, and secularism are out chief exports to these countries. We give them filth and take their oil.
And people wonder why they hate us.....
You dont know much about Afghanistan do you?
Those guys use drugs (khat, opium, hash) like cigarettes.
As for perversion, they are all obdurate boy molesters.
They brag about their child boyfriends and show pictures.
The underage boy thing is big there. And I dont mean teenage boys.
It's throughout their culture, and it is old... they have songs about a boy on the banks of a river and leering at his bottom, etc.
They have people that patrol the mosques for gαy liaisons because the mosque is a great place to see a lot of other men, and most are preoccupied during prayers. It has to be regularly decried from their pulpits by imams. Seriously.
They consider men 'gαy' who exclusively have sex with men, but this sort of gαy on the side activity is shrugged off like a minor vice.
The pedophilia is absolutely enshrined and prolific.
Traveling dance troupes there are code for sex/strip shows and these dancers are *not* adult women, but young boys, and after the 'show' the boys are rented.
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That was the entire point of Iraq and Afghanistan. Spread "freedom and democracy" (in your best GWB accent of course!).
The reality? Drugs, porn, feminism, and secularism are out chief exports to these countries. We give them filth and take their oil.
And people wonder why they hate us.....
Tell me something I don't know...
We were originally attacked because the "American Empire" forces drugs, abortion, alcohol, filthy magazines, blasphemous books, dirty movies, and hellish music on the Islamic young.
Anyway in the Islamic world religion is a deadly serious matter and they see our liberal value of religious tolerance as indifference to their religion. Also Bush's assertion that we are to "spread democracy" is a straight parallel to Trotsky's model of a permanent revolution for Communism, only that Bush used the arsenal of democracy at his command.
Also we attacked Iraq because the necoonservatives in the Bush White House followed Ariel Sharon when it came to foreign policy. We attacked Iraq because of Israel.
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One other note.....those American who would be part of an insurgency have already been demonized as Neo-nαzι, racist, neo-Confederate, right-wing, anti-government, conspiracy theorist nutjobs. The FBI had no problem killing at Ruby Ridge or Waco. What makes you think that would be different in a larger scale conflict?
If I may have you not accused others of being right-wing, nαzιs, fascists, αnтι-ѕємιтєs, racists, etc.?
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We are doing a Sunday School mission in Afghanistan. Paying farmers not to grow drugs and sending girls to be vet assistants.
In other words we are imposing feminism on the Islamic world...
Come on now. Vet assistants will fix everything. :facepalm:
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Very interesting comments but I shall try answer question regarding outrage.
Whilst not the night of the vote on the abortion bill about 40,000 people attended a Justin Timberlake concert in Dublin. Whilst Justin "rocked Dublin", a few hundred people prayed the rosary outside the parliament. Armed with "spiritual sling-shots" you had all walks of life there.
It's not every day you see working class men in their 20s and 30s from inner city Dublin praying the rosary and putting Blessed salt around the footpath and gates of the parliament. Holy water was also sprinkled. All at 4am!!
Perhaps the Dublin liberals were at the rock concert but the working man was certainly present outside the parliament and clearly Catholic and opposed to abortion.
All is not lost in Ireland.
The night of the vote on abortion, most of the politicians were drunk. As I stated elsewhere, one male placed a female colleague on his knee. All captured on live television. So a big party in full swing the night/early morning during a farce of a "debate" on murdering babies in the womb.
John Grace,
What do non-Catholic religious groups in Ireland say or do about this, if anything?
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Yes they are not making a stance against murder but using red tape to shut down the clinics.
Is it a matter of shutting down the clinics? I doubt it. They are more interested in making them seem less like butcher shops. It's too embarrassing when women are damaged, sometimes mortally, by abortion.
And don't they care that babies feel pain before 20 weeks?
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Time for Texas to secede from the union!
I'd be all for it.
I agree that this would be a good thing.
We wouldn't be missing a darn thing if we seceded.
We have our own electric grid (unlike most states!), plenty of food, certainly plenty of farmland and cattle, plenty of water, plenty of military, plenty of energy (oil, wind, solar), etc.
And the few things we don't have we can always import :)
Ahh...but Texas doesn't have something which counts...a viable Armed Forces which could repel the US Armed Forces. 150 years ago, a whole region of the USA attempted to secede and were militarily defeated (more like devastated). What would make you think that the State of Texas could take on the USA military? Don't get me wrong, I'm all for any state having the right to secede. But the reality is the Federal Government will not in any way, shape or form, tolerate anything like a state seceding. And the US Armed Forces will strike and kill fellow Americans trying to secede if ordered to do so. This is reality. Texas wouldn't have a chance.
We don't need an army -- just a rag-tag militia will do.
You know, the US military really sucks these days. They can't even put down an insurgency in Iraq or Afghanistan with all their satellites, radar, drones, smart bombs, and countless other equipment.
In a war with Texas, it would be less like the cινιℓ ωαr and more like Iraq or Afghanistan. Local insurgents, guerrilla tactics, wear them down, etc.
Only it's easier to demonize the "evil towel heads", "nips" or "nαzιs" than it is to demonize a bunch of fellow Americans... Those Americans doing the slaughtering would have to be VERY, very brainwashed.
Of course you would get support and reinforcments from all us "insurgents" crossing the border into the Republic of Texas. :wink:
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Yes they are not making a stance against murder but using red tape to shut down the clinics.
Is it a matter of shutting down the clinics? I doubt it. They are more interested in making them seem less like butcher shops. It's too embarrassing when women are damaged, sometimes mortally, by abortion.
And don't they care that babies feel pain before 20 weeks?
It is, this is their way of attempting to do it. I don't agree with it, but I'm 100% sure they are against surgical abortion, and this is their way of trying to reduce the availability of it in an area. Most people active in the pro-life movement are for incrementalism, no matter how the laws are worded, they will vote for them.
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Yes they are not making a stance against murder but using red tape to shut down the clinics.
Is it a matter of shutting down the clinics? I doubt it. They are more interested in making them seem less like butcher shops. It's too embarrassing when women are damaged, sometimes mortally, by abortion.
And don't they care that babies feel pain before 20 weeks?
The bill is certainly a step forward but not an end to the vile practice. If they had their way it would be like a fast food drive thru service.
It does disgust me to know people who protested for the "women's" rights on this very bill. Of course none of them have kids themselves and have plenty of time to organize color matching shirts and feminine products as props. They go out for drinks after and pat themselves on the back for being great people, fighting for human, civil, woman's rights. Anyone who doesn't see it their way is a backwards moron.
As a father of several little ones, there's little time for protesting and no time to give the adulation these ego driven politicians crave. We had to be the ones in the "trenches" of life actually living and bringing up a better next generation.