Author Topic: Texas passes pro-life bill - puts restrictions on abortion centers (Read 3480 times)

Emitte Lucem Tuam · « **Reply #45 on:** July 14, 2013, 10:44:47 AM »

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Time for Texas to secede from the union!

I'd be all for it.

I agree that this would be a good thing.

We wouldn't be missing a darn thing if we seceded.

We have our own electric grid (unlike most states!), plenty of food, certainly plenty of farmland and cattle, plenty of water, plenty of military, plenty of energy (oil, wind, solar), etc.

And the few things we don't have we can always import :)

Ahh...but Texas doesn't have something which counts...a viable Armed Forces which could repel the US Armed Forces. 150 years ago, a whole region of the USA attempted to secede and were militarily defeated (more like devastated). What would make you think that the State of Texas could take on the USA military? Don't get me wrong, I'm all for any state having the right to secede. But the reality is the Federal Government will not in any way, shape or form, tolerate anything like a state seceding. And the US Armed Forces will strike and kill fellow Americans trying to secede if ordered to do so. This is reality. Texas wouldn't have a chance.

Traditional Guy 20 · « **Reply #46 on:** July 14, 2013, 10:49:02 AM »

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Ahh...but Texas doesn't have something which counts...a viable Armed Forces which could repel the US Armed Forces. 150 years ago, a whole region of the USA attempted to secede and were militarily defeated (more like devastated). What would make you think that the State of Texas could take on the USA military? Don't get me wrong, I'm all for any state having the right to secede. But the reality is the Federal Government will not in any way, shape or form, tolerate anything like a state seceding. And the US Armed Forces will strike and kill fellow Americans trying to secede if ordered to do so. This is reality. Texas wouldn't have a chance.

You have to remember that if the South had seceeded and adopted the free trade policy Northern ports would have been devastated by a loss in business since they used the protectionist system. The South relied on the liberal free trade system, the North on the conservative protectionist system. :wink:

Matthew · « **Reply #47 on:** July 14, 2013, 10:59:51 AM »

Quote from: Emitte Lucem Tuam

Quote from: Matthew
Quote from: Matto
Quote from: Matthew

Time for Texas to secede from the union!

I'd be all for it.

I agree that this would be a good thing.

We wouldn't be missing a darn thing if we seceded.

We have our own electric grid (unlike most states!), plenty of food, certainly plenty of farmland and cattle, plenty of water, plenty of military, plenty of energy (oil, wind, solar), etc.

And the few things we don't have we can always import :)

Ahh...but Texas doesn't have something which counts...a viable Armed Forces which could repel the US Armed Forces. 150 years ago, a whole region of the USA attempted to secede and were militarily defeated (more like devastated). What would make you think that the State of Texas could take on the USA military? Don't get me wrong, I'm all for any state having the right to secede. But the reality is the Federal Government will not in any way, shape or form, tolerate anything like a state seceding. And the US Armed Forces will strike and kill fellow Americans trying to secede if ordered to do so. This is reality. Texas wouldn't have a chance.

We don't need an army -- just a rag-tag militia will do.

You know, the US military really sucks these days. They can't even put down an insurgency in Iraq or Afghanistan with all their satellites, radar, drones, smart bombs, and countless other equipment.

In a war with Texas, it would be less like the cινιℓ ωαr and more like Iraq or Afghanistan. Local insurgents, guerrilla tactics, wear them down, etc.

Only it's easier to demonize the "evil towel heads", "nips" or "nαzιs" than it is to demonize a bunch of fellow Americans... Those Americans doing the slaughtering would have to be VERY, very brainwashed.

Traditional Guy 20 · « **Reply #48 on:** July 14, 2013, 11:18:17 AM »

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You know, the US military really sucks these days.

Actually no army can withstand the might of terrorism used to bleed and bankrupt empires. The British, French, Americans, and the Red Army were all chased out of the Middle East by Islamic terrorism because they exhausted themselves.

Tiffany · « **Reply #49 on:** July 14, 2013, 11:23:21 AM »

Quote from: Matthew

Quote from: Emitte Lucem Tuam
Quote from: Matthew
Quote from: Matto
Quote from: Matthew

Time for Texas to secede from the union!

I'd be all for it.

I agree that this would be a good thing.

We wouldn't be missing a darn thing if we seceded.

We have our own electric grid (unlike most states!), plenty of food, certainly plenty of farmland and cattle, plenty of water, plenty of military, plenty of energy (oil, wind, solar), etc.

And the few things we don't have we can always import :)

Ahh...but Texas doesn't have something which counts...a viable Armed Forces which could repel the US Armed Forces. 150 years ago, a whole region of the USA attempted to secede and were militarily defeated (more like devastated). What would make you think that the State of Texas could take on the USA military? Don't get me wrong, I'm all for any state having the right to secede. But the reality is the Federal Government will not in any way, shape or form, tolerate anything like a state seceding. And the US Armed Forces will strike and kill fellow Americans trying to secede if ordered to do so. This is reality. Texas wouldn't have a chance.

We don't need an army -- just a rag-tag militia will do.

You know, the US military really sucks these days. They can't even put down an insurgency in Iraq or Afghanistan with all their satellites, radar, drones, smart bombs, and countless other equipment.

In a war with Texas, it would be less like the cινιℓ ωαr and more like Iraq or Afghanistan. Local insurgents, guerrilla tactics, wear them down, etc.

Only it's easier to demonize the "evil towel heads", "nips" or "nαzιs" than it is to demonize a bunch of fellow Americans... Those Americans doing the slaughtering would have to be VERY, very brainwashed.

We are doing a Sunday School mission in Afghanistan. Paying farmers not to grow drugs and sending girls to be vet assistants.

Traditional Guy 20 · « **Reply #50 on:** July 14, 2013, 11:33:43 AM »

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We are doing a Sunday School mission in Afghanistan. Paying farmers not to grow drugs and sending girls to be vet assistants.

In other words we are imposing feminism on the Islamic world...

Iuvenalis · « **Reply #51 on:** July 14, 2013, 11:53:35 AM »

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They are many abortion clinics apart from PP too.

Indeed, the debate on the prolife side tends to revolve around this satanic organization to the exclusion of others.

They are big, but they dont have a monopoly.

I have wondered if they are there to provide a big fat target and allow the others to operate with less hassle.

brainglitch · « **Reply #52 on:** July 14, 2013, 01:07:55 PM »

Quote from: Matthew

Quote from: Emitte Lucem Tuam
Quote from: Matthew
Quote from: Matto
Quote from: Matthew

Time for Texas to secede from the union!

I'd be all for it.

I agree that this would be a good thing.

We wouldn't be missing a darn thing if we seceded.

We have our own electric grid (unlike most states!), plenty of food, certainly plenty of farmland and cattle, plenty of water, plenty of military, plenty of energy (oil, wind, solar), etc.

And the few things we don't have we can always import :)

Ahh...but Texas doesn't have something which counts...a viable Armed Forces which could repel the US Armed Forces. 150 years ago, a whole region of the USA attempted to secede and were militarily defeated (more like devastated). What would make you think that the State of Texas could take on the USA military? Don't get me wrong, I'm all for any state having the right to secede. But the reality is the Federal Government will not in any way, shape or form, tolerate anything like a state seceding. And the US Armed Forces will strike and kill fellow Americans trying to secede if ordered to do so. This is reality. Texas wouldn't have a chance.

We don't need an army -- just a rag-tag militia will do.

You know, the US military really sucks these days. They can't even put down an insurgency in Iraq or Afghanistan with all their satellites, radar, drones, smart bombs, and countless other equipment.

In a war with Texas, it would be less like the cινιℓ ωαr and more like Iraq or Afghanistan. Local insurgents, guerrilla tactics, wear them down, etc.

Only it's easier to demonize the "evil towel heads", "nips" or "nαzιs" than it is to demonize a bunch of fellow Americans... Those Americans doing the slaughtering would have to be VERY, very brainwashed.

One big difference between the USA and Afghanistan, is that irregular warfare has been a way of life for the Afghans for at least 4000 years. The US has not had a major conflict on it's soil since the cινιℓ ωαr. Most Americans are soft and weak and have little or no military experience; still less with the unsavory tactics required to fight and win an insurgency.

The insurgent must be willing to accept massive civilian casualties, and to have the unwavering support of the vast majority of the people. Outside support is also a necessity.The Taliban have all of those advantages; I doubt any US insurgency would. Once the electricity is cut off and people start dying, any insurgency would peter out quickly. The only possible source of outside aid would be Russia, and even that would be doubtful. I can only think of one person I know who would be able to carry out an insurgency. He is a graduate of BUDS (Navy Seal school) and spent years doing black ops for SOCOM. Such people are exceedingly rare, yet they would be the only Americans who would have anything close to the qualifications of an Afghan in irregular warfare.

Anyone who thinks an organized American insurgency would have a fighting chance against the US military is extremely naive.

brainglitch · « **Reply #53 on:** July 14, 2013, 01:09:52 PM »

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We are doing a Sunday School mission in Afghanistan. Paying farmers not to grow drugs and sending girls to be vet assistants.

In other words we are imposing feminism on the Islamic world...

That was the entire point of Iraq and Afghanistan. Spread "freedom and democracy" (in your best GWB accent of course!).

The reality? Drugs, porn, feminism, and secularism are out chief exports to these countries. We give them filth and take their oil.

And people wonder why they hate us.....

brainglitch · « **Reply #54 on:** July 14, 2013, 01:12:10 PM »

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Only it's easier to demonize the "evil towel heads", "nips" or "nαzιs" than it is to demonize a bunch of fellow Americans... Those Americans doing the slaughtering would have to be VERY, very brainwashed.

One other note.....those American who would be part of an insurgency have already been demonized as Neo-nαzι, racist, neo-Confederate, right-wing, anti-government, conspiracy theorist nutjobs. The FBI had no problem killing at Ruby Ridge or Waco. What makes you think that would be different in a larger scale conflict?

John Grace · « **Reply #55 on:** July 14, 2013, 02:05:14 PM »

Very interesting comments but I shall try answer question regarding outrage.

Whilst not the night of the vote on the abortion bill about 40,000 people attended a Justin Timberlake concert in Dublin. Whilst Justin "rocked Dublin", a few hundred people prayed the rosary outside the parliament. Armed with "spiritual sling-shots" you had all walks of life there.

It's not every day you see working class men in their 20s and 30s from inner city Dublin praying the rosary and putting Blessed salt around the footpath and gates of the parliament. Holy water was also sprinkled. All at 4am!!

Perhaps the Dublin liberals were at the rock concert but the working man was certainly present outside the parliament and clearly Catholic and opposed to abortion.

All is not lost in Ireland.

The night of the vote on abortion, most of the politicians were drunk. As I stated elsewhere, one male placed a female colleague on his knee. All captured on live television. So a big party in full swing the night/early morning during a farce of a "debate" on murdering babies in the womb.

John Grace · « **Reply #56 on:** July 14, 2013, 02:08:41 PM »

In a wider context these enemies of Catholics are no fools and we all must study and know their methods and counter them.

Iuvenalis · « **Reply #57 on:** July 14, 2013, 03:01:58 PM »

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We are doing a Sunday School mission in Afghanistan. Paying farmers not to grow drugs and sending girls to be vet assistants.

In other words we are imposing feminism on the Islamic world...

That was the entire point of Iraq and Afghanistan. Spread "freedom and democracy" (in your best GWB accent of course!).

The reality? Drugs, porn, feminism, and secularism are out chief exports to these countries. We give them filth and take their oil.

And people wonder why they hate us.....

You dont know much about Afghanistan do you?

Those guys use drugs (khat, opium, hash) like cigarettes.

As for perversion, they are all obdurate boy molesters.

They brag about their child boyfriends and show pictures.

The underage boy thing is big there. And I dont mean teenage boys.

It's throughout their culture, and it is old... they have songs about a boy on the banks of a river and leering at his bottom, etc.

They have people that patrol the mosques for gαy liaisons because the mosque is a great place to see a lot of other men, and most are preoccupied during prayers. It has to be regularly decried from their pulpits by imams. Seriously.

They consider men 'gαy' who exclusively have sex with men, but this sort of gαy on the side activity is shrugged off like a minor vice.

The pedophilia is absolutely enshrined and prolific.

Traveling dance troupes there are code for sex/strip shows and these dancers are *not* adult women, but young boys, and after the 'show' the boys are rented.

Traditional Guy 20 · « **Reply #58 on:** July 14, 2013, 03:40:24 PM »

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That was the entire point of Iraq and Afghanistan. Spread "freedom and democracy" (in your best GWB accent of course!).

The reality? Drugs, porn, feminism, and secularism are out chief exports to these countries. We give them filth and take their oil.

And people wonder why they hate us.....

Tell me something I don't know...

We were originally attacked because the "American Empire" forces drugs, abortion, alcohol, filthy magazines, blasphemous books, dirty movies, and hellish music on the Islamic young.

Anyway in the Islamic world religion is a deadly serious matter and they see our liberal value of religious tolerance as indifference to their religion. Also Bush's assertion that we are to "spread democracy" is a straight parallel to Trotsky's model of a permanent revolution for Communism, only that Bush used the arsenal of democracy at his command.

Also we attacked Iraq because the necoonservatives in the Bush White House followed Ariel Sharon when it came to foreign policy. We attacked Iraq because of Israel.

Traditional Guy 20 · « **Reply #59 on:** July 14, 2013, 03:49:46 PM »

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One other note.....those American who would be part of an insurgency have already been demonized as Neo-nαzι, racist, neo-Confederate, right-wing, anti-government, conspiracy theorist nutjobs. The FBI had no problem killing at Ruby Ridge or Waco. What makes you think that would be different in a larger scale conflict?

If I may have you not accused others of being right-wing, nαzιs, fascists, αnтι-ѕємιтєs, racists, etc.?