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Offline Brunitix

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« on: June 15, 2019, 05:38:03 PM »
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  • From my personal investigation it seems to me they were genuine warriors of the catholic faith who gave their lifes for the True God. But there are many theories regarding their possible heretical behavior and beliefs. From what I investigated  Phillip IV was getting frustrated because of the amount of land the templars had on his kingdom and was deeply indebted to the order. There is no way those people who would be the first entering the battlefield and the last to leave who gave all they had to fight for God against the heathens and infidels. What do you think regarding the masonic, gnostic and heretical theory about the templars? 

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    Re: Templars
    « Reply #1 on: June 15, 2019, 06:23:33 PM »
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  • I find the old Catholic Encyclopedia’s account trustworthy (ie., God bless the Templar’s, and May they be restored through the Knights of Our Lady):

    http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/14493a.htm

    More here:

    https://www.cathinfo.com/sspx-resistance-news/knights-templars!/
    Romans 5:20 "But where sin increased, grace abounded all the more."

    -I retract any and all statements I have made that are incongruent with the True Faith, and apologize for ever having made them-


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    Re: Templars
    « Reply #2 on: June 15, 2019, 08:11:26 PM »
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  • Correct me if I am wrong.  I read that the Knights of Templar were responsible to protect the Ark of the Covenant?  But there was found homosexuals and they were hung? Is that right?

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    Re: Templars
    « Reply #3 on: June 15, 2019, 10:14:44 PM »
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  • Correct me if I am wrong.  I read that the Knights of Templar were responsible to protect the Ark of the Covenant?  But there was found homosexuals and they were hung? Is that right?
    Consider yourself corrected.
    Romans 5:20 "But where sin increased, grace abounded all the more."

    -I retract any and all statements I have made that are incongruent with the True Faith, and apologize for ever having made them-

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    Re: Templars
    « Reply #4 on: June 16, 2019, 01:34:54 AM »
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  • From my personal investigation it seems to me they were genuine warriors of the catholic faith who gave their lifes for the True God. But there are many theories regarding their possible heretical behavior and beliefs. From what I investigated  Phillip IV was getting frustrated because of the amount of land the templars had on his kingdom and was deeply indebted to the order. There is no way those people who would be the first entering the battlefield and the last to leave who gave all they had to fight for God against the heathens and infidels. What do you think regarding the masonic, gnostic and heretical theory about the templars?
    They also represented an armed independent force within his kingdom.


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    Re: Templars
    « Reply #5 on: June 16, 2019, 04:51:33 PM »
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  • Infallible Bulls of Pope Clement V re: condemnation of KTemplars

    VOX IN EXCELSO
    AD PROVIDAM
    CONSIDERANTES
    NUPER IN CONSILLO
    LICET DUDEM
    LICET PRIDEM
    UNTITLED-- 22 MARCH 1312
    --------------1 DEC 1312
    -------------- 31 DEC 1312
    -------------- 13 JAN 1313

    :baby:

    There Is No Such Thing As 'Sede Vacantism'...
    nor is there such thing as a 'Feeneyite' or 'Feeneyism'

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    Re: Templars
    « Reply #6 on: June 16, 2019, 05:17:45 PM »
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  • Infallible Bulls of Pope Clement V re: condemnation of KTemplars

    VOX IN EXCELSO
    AD PROVIDAM
    CONSIDERANTES
    NUPER IN CONSILLO
    LICET DUDEM
    LICET PRIDEM
    UNTITLED-- 22 MARCH 1312
    --------------1 DEC 1312
    -------------- 31 DEC 1312
    -------------- 13 JAN 1313

    :baby:
    What is this gibberish?
    Romans 5:20 "But where sin increased, grace abounded all the more."

    -I retract any and all statements I have made that are incongruent with the True Faith, and apologize for ever having made them-

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    Re: Templars
    « Reply #7 on: June 16, 2019, 05:29:59 PM »
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  • I find the old Catholic Encyclopedia’s account trustworthy (ie., God bless the Templar’s, and May they be restored through the Knights of Our Lady):

    http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/14493a.htm

    More here:

    https://www.cathinfo.com/sspx-resistance-news/knights-templars!/

    From the link above:

    "This formidable trial, the greatest ever brought to light whether we consider the large number of accused, the difficulty of discovering the truth from a mass of suspicious and contradictory evidence, or the many jurisdictions in activity simultaneously in all parts of Christendom from Great Britain to Cyprus, is not yet ended. It is still passionately discussed by historians who have divided into two camps, for and against the order. To mention only the principal ones, the following find the order guilty: Dupuy (1654), Hammer (1820), Wilcke (1826), Michelet (1841), Loiseleur (1872), Prutz (1888), and Rastoul (1905); the following find it innocent: Father Lejeune (1789), Raynouard (1813), Havemann (1846), Ladvocat (1880), Schottmuller (1887), Gmelin (1893), Lea (1888), Fincke (1908). Without taking any side in this discussion, which is not yet exhausted, we may observe that the latest documents brought to light, particularly those which Fincke has recently extracted from the archives of the Kingdom of Aragon, tell more and more strongly in favour of the order."
    Romans 5:20 "But where sin increased, grace abounded all the more."

    -I retract any and all statements I have made that are incongruent with the True Faith, and apologize for ever having made them-


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    Re: Templars
    « Reply #8 on: June 16, 2019, 06:05:15 PM »
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  • What is this gibberish?
    Infallible Bulls of Pope Clement V are ' gibberish'?? WOW
    Possibly the above poster no comprende Papal Infallibility :confused:

    BTW SJ-- 10 Bulls of Pope Clement V have NEVER BEEN REPEALED.
    There Is No Such Thing As 'Sede Vacantism'...
    nor is there such thing as a 'Feeneyite' or 'Feeneyism'

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    Re: Templars
    « Reply #9 on: June 16, 2019, 06:11:57 PM »
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  • Infallible Bulls of Pope Clement V are ' gibberish'?? WOW
    Possibly the above poster no comprende Papal Infallibility :confused:

    BTW SJ-- 10 Bulls of Pope Clement V have NEVER BEEN REPEALED.
    Strange that St. Pius X had no problem with the CE article authored during his papacy, eh?

    PS: Disciplinary proclamations are not infallible, any more than condemning eating meat on Friday could be "infallible."
    Romans 5:20 "But where sin increased, grace abounded all the more."

    -I retract any and all statements I have made that are incongruent with the True Faith, and apologize for ever having made them-

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    Re: Templars
    « Reply #10 on: June 16, 2019, 07:01:08 PM »
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  • An Infallible Bull is not a ' disciplinary proclamation' -- whatever that is.. :confused:

    If St Pius X thought that condemnation of Templars was in error, he would have repealed Bulls condemning them-- which he did not. :baby:
    There Is No Such Thing As 'Sede Vacantism'...
    nor is there such thing as a 'Feeneyite' or 'Feeneyism'


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    Re: Templars
    « Reply #11 on: June 16, 2019, 07:12:09 PM »
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  • An Infallible Bull is not a ' disciplinary proclamation' -- whatever that is.. :confused:

    If St Pius X thought that condemnation of Templars was in error, he would have repealed Bulls condemning them-- which he did not. :baby:

    If St. Pius X thought the condemnation of the Templars was a doctrinal matter, he would not have allowed the publication of a CE article which tended to exonerate them.

    Moreover, the scholarly community today more or less recognizes the political pressure which extorted those condemnations, which also exonerates them.

    Finally, the recently discovered Chinon Parchment, found in the Vatican Archives after 700 years in 2001, absolves the Templars of Clement's charge of heresy...according to the words of Clement V himself.
    Romans 5:20 "But where sin increased, grace abounded all the more."

    -I retract any and all statements I have made that are incongruent with the True Faith, and apologize for ever having made them-

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    Re: Templars
    « Reply #12 on: June 16, 2019, 07:41:57 PM »
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  • If the Chinon Parchment( which is probably a fraud) absolved Templars, the Bulls of Pope Clem V would be repealed: this has not happened. Quit spread disinfo :sleep:
    There Is No Such Thing As 'Sede Vacantism'...
    nor is there such thing as a 'Feeneyite' or 'Feeneyism'

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    Re: Templars
    « Reply #13 on: June 16, 2019, 07:47:45 PM »
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  • Whoa....

    Putting on the brakes a bit now...

    The 1907 Catholic Encyclopedia had provided content exonerating the Templars from various scandalous charges:

    "The second disadvantage of this secrecy was, that it gave an opportunity to the enemies of the Templars, and they were numerous, to infer from this mystery every conceivable malicious supposition and base on it the monstrous imputations. The Templars were accused of spitting upon the Cross, of denying Christ, of permitting sodomy, of worshipping an idol, all in the most impenetrable secrecy. Such were the Middle Ages, when prejudice was so vehement that, to destroy an adversary, men did not recoil from inventing the most criminal charges. It will suffice to recall the similar, but even more ridiculous than ignominious accusations brought against Pope Boniface VIII by the same Philip the Fair."

    I was persuaded by this.

    However, the Chinon Parchment (which I only read subsequent to my post against Roscoe; previously I had relied upon references to it) which was only rediscovered in 2001 (i.e., a hundred years after the CE article) acknowledges many of the immoral acts the CE article sought to rebut.

    In short, it looks like the Templars were indeed acquitted of all charges of heresy.

    But it also looks like there was plenty of sacrilege and faggotry mixed in as well.

    For a description of the significance of the Chinon Parchment, see here: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-vatican-templars/knights-templar-win-heresy-reprieve-after-700-years-idUSL093422320071012

    To read the Chinon Parchment itself, see here: https://www.theknightstemplar.org/chinon-parchment/

    For the (conciliar) Vatican exoneration from heresy, see here: https://www.theknightstemplar.org/templars-innocent/

    In light of all this, I will be changing my avatar soon to that of a Knight Hospitaller.
    Romans 5:20 "But where sin increased, grace abounded all the more."

    -I retract any and all statements I have made that are incongruent with the True Faith, and apologize for ever having made them-

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    Re: Templars
    « Reply #14 on: June 16, 2019, 07:49:14 PM »
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  • If the Chinon Parchment( which is probably a fraud) absolved Templars, the Bulls of Pope Clem V would be repealed: this has not happened. Quit spread disinfo :sleep:
    See pervious post (i.e., the conciliar Vatican officially absolved the Templars from heresy): 
    https://www.theknightstemplar.org/templars-innocent/

    But see rest of previous post as well.
    Romans 5:20 "But where sin increased, grace abounded all the more."

    -I retract any and all statements I have made that are incongruent with the True Faith, and apologize for ever having made them-

     

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