Author Topic: Telesphorus and Pax Romanum have a problem (Read 14073 times)

John Grace · « **Reply #45 on:** August 09, 2013, 03:18:31 PM »

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It is nobody's business what Telesphorus does with his offline life. No reason to justify anything.

True, but the same should go for Telesphorus, no? Please, feel free to comment the next time he seeks out pictures of those engaging in immoral activity, offline.

That was a few years ago and about girls who attended the SSPX and acted like tramps. The uncomfortable truth. Girls boozed out and tramping around. Did some feature in a John Vennari video? That is old news and hardly strange that SSPX girls in Ireland attend nightclubs or wear trousers or attend university.

A girl famously rebuked a friend of mine.She attends both Indult/SSPX yet wanted to be a SSPX girl.

Even a few ladies in SSPX London attend the Oratory.

John Grace · « **Reply #46 on:** August 09, 2013, 03:26:00 PM »

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I posted a public link, I didn't upload photographs.

It's just an example of what is publicly acceptable among trads, under their parents' roofs, in their parents presence.

Well stated. SSPX folk love to pass themselves off as 'Holier than thou'.

Hatchc · « **Reply #47 on:** August 09, 2013, 03:26:11 PM »

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Quote from: Tiffany
Quote from: ggreg
Surely, even if you cannot get a job,
Shame on you Ggreg. You do not have good intentions, just out to devalue descent folks who reject your godless values.

Tiffany, these people try to destroy reputations and it has nothing to do with wishing the best for others, it really does have to do with wishing the worst for them, which is so obvious.

The contempt ggreg exhibits towards many trads, not just me, is palpable. You don't say a trad reminds you of "jihadis" without having something of the thought patterns of secular Jews and anti-Christians. It is such a bizarre statement, it beggars belief someone who was really trad would say it.

He has revealed that he has for 20 years held heterodox views on FE.

It didn't surprise me that he recently posted a very memorable slam against Catholics that was posted by Vox's doppelganger Jenn (who used to run the Incorruptibles forum).

These people just don't like Catholicism. It's very simple.

But they're too wimpy to just leave the Church, so they try to refashion Catholicism into something it isn't.

Ggreg has a Jew mind. He's 70% pro-Israel.

Which is pretty remarkable when you consider that he's been running in SSPX circles for 30 years. He acts bewildered that anyone could be anti-Jєωιѕн. He never heard Lefebvre criticize Jews?

Lefebvre wrote to John Paul in 1985: “all the reforms carried out over 20 years within the church to please heretics, schismatics, false religions and declared enemies of the church, such as the Jews, the Communists and the Freemasons.”

The founder of the society he belonged to was outspokenly anti-Jєωιѕн, and ggreg expresses bewilderment with Catholics who are anti-Jєωιѕн? He makes zero sense.

He grew up in a Jєωιѕн neighborhood. It's tempting to call him a Jєωιѕн plant, but I don't have enough information to make that charge.

As for this thread I think it would have been better if Matthew resolves his differences with you (and Pax) through PM, especially since you two used to be (still are?) friends.

John Grace · « **Reply #48 on:** August 09, 2013, 03:30:23 PM »

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As for this thread I think it would have been better if Matthew resolves his differences with you (and Pax) through PM, especially since you two used to be (still are?) friends.

Agreed.Particularly when tele has been to their family home. The thread is unfair.

s2srea · « **Reply #49 on:** August 09, 2013, 03:31:00 PM »

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Quote from: Telesphorus
I posted a public link, I didn't upload photographs.

It's just an example of what is publicly acceptable among trads, under their parents' roofs, in their parents presence.

Well stated. SSPX folk love to pass themselves off as 'Holier than thou'.

Hope you weren't implying me. I was merely stating that if what Tele does offline is off-hands, he should do the same for others. Those photos may have been public, but I don't' think they were meant for him, and certainly weren't intended to be placed on this site. I know quite a bit more about this subject, as does Tele, but will leave it at that; for now. The facts are, as I understand them, that he harassed that girl and her family. He has a thing for vengeance, then when he's called out on it, he cowers and plays the role of a victim.

I've said it before, I"ll say it again: Chesterton has done an excellent job describing Telesphorus:

Quote from: GK Chesterton in [url=http://archive.org/stream/orthodoxy16769gut/16769.txt

Orthodoxy[/url]]The madman's explanation of a thing is always complete, and often in a
purely rational sense satisfactory. Or, to speak more strictly, the
insane explanation, if not conclusive, is at least unanswerable; this
may be observed specially in the two or three commonest kinds of
madness. If a man says (for instance) that men have a conspiracy against
him, you cannot dispute it except by saying that all the men deny that
they are conspirators; which is exactly what conspirators would do. His
explanation covers the facts as much as yours. Or if a man says that he
is the rightful King of England, it is no complete answer to say that
the existing authorities call him mad; for if he were King of England
that might be the wisest thing for the existing authorities to do. Or if
a man says that he is Jesus Christ, it is no answer to tell him that the
world denies his divinity; for the world denied Christ's.

Nevertheless he is wrong. But if we attempt to trace his error in exact
terms, we shall not find it quite so easy as we had supposed. Perhaps
the nearest we can get to expressing it is to say this: that his mind
moves in a perfect but narrow circle. A small circle is quite as
infinite as a large circle; but, though it is quite as infinite, it is
not so large. In the same way the insane explanation is quite as
complete as the sane one, but it is not so large. A bullet is quite as
round as the world, but it is not the world. There is such a thing as a
narrow universality; there is such a thing as a small and cramped
eternity; you may see it in many modern religions. Now, speaking quite
externally and empirically, we may say that the strongest and most
unmistakable _mark_ of madness is this combination between a logical
completeness and a spiritual contraction. The lunatic's theory explains
a large number of things, but it does not explain them in a large way.

Telesphorus · « **Reply #50 on:** August 09, 2013, 03:33:55 PM »

That's exactly the sort of quote someone would use to criticize members of the resistance.

s2srea · « **Reply #51 on:** August 09, 2013, 03:36:01 PM »

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That's exactly the sort of quote someone would use to criticize members of the resistance.

Thumbs up- that was funny!

Telesphorus · « **Reply #52 on:** August 09, 2013, 04:00:23 PM »

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Quote from: Telesphorus
Quote from: Tiffany
Quote from: ggreg
Surely, even if you cannot get a job,
Shame on you Ggreg. You do not have good intentions, just out to devalue descent folks who reject your godless values.

Tiffany, these people try to destroy reputations and it has nothing to do with wishing the best for others, it really does have to do with wishing the worst for them, which is so obvious.

The contempt ggreg exhibits towards many trads, not just me, is palpable. You don't say a trad reminds you of "jihadis" without having something of the thought patterns of secular Jews and anti-Christians. It is such a bizarre statement, it beggars belief someone who was really trad would say it.

He has revealed that he has for 20 years held heterodox views on FE.

It didn't surprise me that he recently posted a very memorable slam against Catholics that was posted by Vox's doppelganger Jenn (who used to run the Incorruptibles forum).

These people just don't like Catholicism. It's very simple.

But they're too wimpy to just leave the Church, so they try to refashion Catholicism into something it isn't.

Ggreg has a Jew mind. He's 70% pro-Israel.

Which is pretty remarkable when you consider that he's been running in SSPX circles for 30 years. He acts bewildered that anyone could be anti-Jєωιѕн. He never heard Lefebvre criticize Jews?

Lefebvre wrote to John Paul in 1985: “all the reforms carried out over 20 years within the church to please heretics, schismatics, false religions and declared enemies of the church, such as the Jews, the Communists and the Freemasons.”

The founder of the society he belonged to was outspokenly anti-Jєωιѕн, and ggreg expresses bewilderment with Catholics who are anti-Jєωιѕн? He makes zero sense.

He grew up in a Jєωιѕн neighborhood. It's tempting to call him a Jєωιѕн plant, but I don't have enough information to make that charge.

As for this thread I think it would have been better if Matthew resolves his differences with you (and Pax) through PM, especially since you two used to be (still are?) friends.

You don't have to ever post here to have the same rep power as anyone else.

So you have a lot of absentee "posters" with an axe to grind. Thus you see a lot of the mindless ratings without comment.

Neil Obstat · « **Reply #53 on:** August 09, 2013, 06:20:05 PM »

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Quote from: Matthew
We have hundreds. And none of them see the feminism or liberalism that Telesphorus and PaxRomanum apparently see. Therefore, they are extreme and are "off," since they are quite alone.

What is the therefore there for?

LoT -- that gave me a good chuckle. Thanks. :roll-laugh1:

I must have missed where PaxRomanum18 and Telesphorus
have explained that the reason they have 'downthumbed'
Matthew and MaterDominici is because they're not in
agreement with their Feminism or Liberalism.

I mean, who knows? Maybe PR18 and Tele think the Mods
are not Feminist or Liberal ENOUGH! :rolleyes:

Neil Obstat · « **Reply #54 on:** August 09, 2013, 06:28:19 PM »

.

Now, here's another benchmark that other members can strive
to catch up to ..... only problem is, you have to look so hard to
find any posts by Matthew or MaterDominici that you can justify
giving a thumb down for, therefore.

Matto · « **Reply #55 on:** August 09, 2013, 06:32:57 PM »

I just hope none of Cathinfo's good posters leave here due to these arguments.

Neil Obstat · « **Reply #56 on:** August 09, 2013, 06:55:10 PM »

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but you CAN'T STAND the owners?

Just to make something clear, it's obvious I can stand the owners, otherwise I wouldn't be here. If I couldn't stand the owners, I wouldn't uprate them either.

Do I sometimes vehemently disagree with the owners? Yes of course.

The sad reality is that it's not that I'm hostile to Matthew, he interprets my opposition to his actions as hostility to his person, which is not the case.

I can honestly say that. If I didn't like Matthew and Mater Dominici I wouldn't have posted at this forum for years, or visited their family.

They are nice people that I like a lot.

I hope Matthew tries to step back and objectively evaluate his motivations.

Looking at this whole affair, for years, really, it gives me the
impression that there is more to the thumb feature than what
members are led to believe. It really couldn't be all that
important. Therefore, it at least gives the IMPRESSION that
some kind of deal is operational, whereby the reputation value
that the forum owner has is somehow a component for some
other thing, such as frequent flyer miles, or a factor in the ad
value compensation, or a status mark on someone's scorecard
whereby various benefits are dispensed, or perhaps even
something as mundane as a private wager with a friend. There
has got to be an underlying reason that these up-thumbs and
down-thumbs are so seriously significant to someone who has
much better things to do than worry about numbers on a graph.

Up-thumbs or down-thumbs are not virtues, vices, sins or works.

They don't count for grace or merit in the eyes of God.

You don't have to confess them to a priest or ask for absolution.

You can't take them to the bank.................. or,,,,,,,,, can you?

Maybe it depends on who "you" are.

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I just hope none of Cathinfo's good posters leave here due to these arguments.

Very well said, Matto. It is quite unbecoming of Catholic behavior
to be obsessed with a measly pittance of ridiculous nonsense like
thumbs up or down. WHO CARES?

Is this Facebook or something?

If so, maybe it's time to leave. The stupid thumbs don't even do
what they're supposed to do. Most of the time when someone
likes or dislikes a particular post, it doesn't occur to them to rate
it with a thumb. And not infrequently, the thumb is voted not because
of the content of a particular post but because of the ID of the
member who posted it REGARDLESS of what was said.

So the thumbs are largely a JOKE. They don't WORK. Why USE THEM?

Novus Weirdo · « **Reply #57 on:** August 09, 2013, 07:28:12 PM »

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Gentlemen, I don't have a dog in this fight, but I will say that this is unbecoming a Catholic forum - trad or otherwise. It doesn't matter who initiated it, but please take it to PM. I came here to get away from Fish Kill.

I agree. This crap belongs on I(gnorant)A(**h***s) or F(ag)E(nablers).

The potential of CI imploding to become something it's not or of posters having some kind of nervous breakdown is becoming apparent.

Sigismund · « **Reply #58 on:** August 09, 2013, 08:00:37 PM »

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advancement I otherwise wouldn't have.

What sort of advancement?

Yes, what sort?

Seraphia · « **Reply #59 on:** August 09, 2013, 08:08:44 PM »

Quote from: Matto

I just hope none of Cathinfo's good posters leave here due to these arguments.

Maybe, maybe not but it will make everyone think twice now before we thumb down the moderators of the forum -- that they are keeping track somehow.

Apparently it means something to them if they are willing to make a public topic about it.