Author Topic: Tele is spot on with this post about Gregg (Read 2074 times)

sedetrad · « **on:** September 03, 2013, 02:44:32 PM »

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This thread is supposed to be about a man running a charitable operation that depends on donations paying himself ten times the median wage in this country.

Instead it turns into the grilling of the personal lives of posters here.

That's because of trolling.

Some might recall a couple weeks ago some pretty long threads about the resistance priests: there was never a good faith discussion going on on the troll's side. He would never address doctrinal issues (except to argue being a true Catholic is subjective!), which isn't surprising since he doesn't hold to Catholic doctrine: what it basically came down to was a series of insults against the resistance priests, general insults and stereotypes of those who attend resistance masses. This went on and on. All these priests of the SSPX who left being compared to Pope Michael and Father Moderator.

That is not good faith. That is disingenuous trolling.

Matto · « **Reply #1 on:** September 03, 2013, 02:50:28 PM »

I love your avatar. I know you have had it for a long time but I haven't seen you posting in a while and I wanted to tell you.

BTNYC · « **Reply #2 on:** September 03, 2013, 03:04:30 PM »

Agreed. Ggreg strikes me as a mammon-adoring Zionist neocon shill whose Sensus Catholicus is about as well-developed as John Hagee's.

Out of the abundance of his heart he spoke the most reprehensible calumnies against the poor and Traditional Catholic men on FE and he has done and said nothing here to indicate he has changed his position in this regard or is willing to.

Telesphorus · « **Reply #3 on:** September 03, 2013, 06:05:15 PM »

Well sedetrad, I'm flattered that you agree with me, but so long as Matthew pretends he's not in the same boat as the people ggreg routinely disparages, it will continue.

http://youtu.be/frXklECPkD0?t=1h7m35s

inprincipio · « **Reply #4 on:** September 03, 2013, 07:38:42 PM »

Ggreg reminds me of another former poster who, when he was called out, attacked others with such fury and yet he was never banned. How did that happen? And why isn't ggreg being censored for his malicious comments about the personal life of others on this forum? He is an expert on everything. He has all the answers. He is boastful. And those are the most charitable things I can say on his reprehensible behavior.

OHCA · « **Reply #5 on:** September 03, 2013, 07:56:00 PM »

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This thread is supposed to be about a man running a charitable operation that depends on donations paying himself ten times the median wage in this country.

Instead it turns into the grilling of the personal lives of posters here.

That's because of trolling.

I firmly disagree with this part. Jehanne was the original poster. Then Jehanne himself broadened the topic to "how could you or anyone else justify [big income]. . ." Then he went on say something to the effect that true Catholicism means giving one's "disposable income" to the poor. Then several others took him to task about his communist perspective. Then he began discussing his personal situation in some detail. He then posted something about Jesus' apostles not needing to be in the "6 figure club." And then posted that he made $123,000 one year and criticized capitalism yet indicated that he is striving to get back on the "capitalistic bandwagon." All of this double-speak clarified that Jehanne's viewpoint de jour is borne out of envy & sour-grapes.

So Tele is WRONG. Jehanne himself broadened the topic beyond keating and then proceeded to discuss some specifics of his own personal finances. What he said didn't add up and he was taken to task some more.

I think it's commendable that Tele is sympathetic to Jehanne's plight. But true charity would be to school him away from sour-grape/envy induced bitter communistic positions, rather than lashing out at others who call him on what he has said. Plus a lot of it seems to be fueled by Tele's grudge against ggreg. In fairness to Tele, I have seen ggreg take gratuitous swipes at Tele in other threads.

I usually perceive Tele to be on the right side & ggreg on the wrong side in their tiffs. But Tele's sympathy for Jehanne and his bitterness against ggreg have conspired to put him on the wrong side this time.

Telesphorus · « **Reply #6 on:** September 03, 2013, 08:45:14 PM »

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So Tele is WRONG. Jehanne himself broadened the topic beyond keating and then proceeded to discuss some specifics of his own personal finances. What he said didn't add up and he was taken to task some more.

No, if someone wants to discuss the issue then one should discuss the teachings of the Church on the matter. Jehanne was being trolled to discuss his personal situation.

The discussion should be about what the Church teaches on these matters, but instead it was diverted to Jehanne's personal finances.

Incidentally, we know that this issue in particular is problematic for the troll:

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Frankly for the last 20 years I've had serious reservations about what has been taken from the Gospels and leveraged and what has been ignored and left out. Christianity seems to have been heavily influenced by the emperor Constatine who as far as I understand it wasn't even a converted Christian until his deathbed.

For example, Jesus seems to make multiple statement that poverty is good and holy and that Christians should seek to have just enough and then give the rest to the poor. Give your coat to a man who needs it and trust in providence.

Hardly any Christians do this however, myself included and the Church has been pretty quiet on the subject for the last 1500 years, and seems to mostly have sided with the Lords and Nobles and Kings, who were little more than the local warlords and mafia strongmen.

(So the Catholic states of Europe were little more than "local warlords and mafia strongmen." Our Catholic history is spat upon by someone pretending the current corruption of our heritage by the ʝʊdɛօ-masonic conspiracy is some "crazy conspiracy theory")

So what happened in the thread?

Instead of discussing the topic from the perspective of Church doctrine (which this person seems to have little faith in), he starts off with a derisive comment about whether or not anyone should agree with Jehanne as Jehanne has little disposable income. That's when the trolling began.

Frankly, you people are willfully blind if you cannot see the malice that is motivating the badgering of Jehanne over the misfortunes that led to his personal situation. It really is very sick and a good Catholic sense should be able to pick that up. Especially if they know this troll's MO.

If you want to take issue with Jehanne's position that's one thing, but that's not what was being done in the thread.

inprincipio · « **Reply #7 on:** September 04, 2013, 06:17:33 AM »

No matter what you say to excuse Ggreg, there is just no excuse at all for character assassination. For one thing Ggreg was asking very personal financial information from Jehanne and he baited J. into a discussion about his personal life.

Secondly, Ggreg went way back into posts over a year ago to "dig up dirt" on Tele.

Everyone here should ask yourself truthfully if you would like such an attack on you. I really doubt it.

I kept silent long enough while I read through the posts. Not for me to say anything would be wrong on my part.

Hobbledehoy · « **Reply #8 on:** September 04, 2013, 07:14:56 AM »

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I kept silent long enough while I read through the posts. Not for me to say anything would be wrong on my part.

That goes for me too. Something should be done to correct the situation.

JPaul · « **Reply #9 on:** September 04, 2013, 08:15:20 AM »

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(So the Catholic states of Europe were little more than "local warlords and mafia strongmen." Our Catholic history is spat upon by someone pretending the current corruption of our heritage by the ʝʊdɛօ-masonic conspiracy is some "crazy conspiracy theory")

It appears that someone has been watching too many hours of the Judaic History/Discovery channel when they put forth the Jєωιѕн narratives and characterizations of Church history, or he is a sympathizer of the narrators....

TCat · « **Reply #10 on:** September 04, 2013, 08:23:05 AM »

Jehanne is not a communist because he has a problem with capitalism.
It is capitalism that has turned the populations mind against God. We are all just a number and our countries are an economic zone now.
The true Catholic position is neither capitalism or socialism, it is half way between both. Besides many saints chose poverty, and worked for the poor. They were not communists. If anything communists stole the concept of providing for the poor from Catholic charity. But the concept belongs to us because we began it, we got orders for it from Jesus.

Thurifer · « **Reply #11 on:** September 04, 2013, 08:43:44 AM »

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Jehanne is not a communist because he has a problem with capitalism.
It is capitalism that has turned the populations mind against God. We are all just a number and our countries are an economic zone now.
The true Catholic position is neither capitalism or socialism, it is half way between both. Besides many saints chose poverty, and worked for the poor. They were not communists. If anything communists stole the concept of providing for the poor from Catholic charity. But the concept belongs to us because we began it, we got orders for it from Jesus.

Communists provide for the poor? Surely you jest. They have to buy what is needed for the poor from some capitalist. Let's take so-called free schools as an example. The schools have to be built. That gives some contractors jobs to build them. All connected businesses to the political operatives or commissars in any given principality, state, or nation. Textbooks, lunches in some locations, equipment and furniture are all sold to the school district to provide for the poor and the rich students. So from this one example the powers that be establish a collective, or a communist type of set-up, that benefits the few at the expense of the entire pool of money, or individual labor, that funds it.

Unfortunately, most of us "little guys" only see the people that get something for nothing vs the man, or business entity, that gets lots of money to provide the poor with what they need.

I suppose you are somewhat correct to say that the true Catholic position is somewhere between capitalism and socialism or communism. But never forget that the Catholic position preceded both of these. And IMO, that is too easy to forget in our current circuмstance. The Catholic position is much more concerned with a just wage, no usury, and a mindset based on all activity being ADMG.

bowler · « **Reply #12 on:** September 04, 2013, 01:46:46 PM »

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Tele is spot on with this post about Gregg, Please feel free to agree or disagr

What post about GGreg? Not everybody reads or follows everything that goes on here. Please post quotes or else this is a private posting for the few who know what you are talking about. If there is some injustice that needs to be corrected, then make your case with evidence. If not, then I have to assume this is just personal venting, or a group ganging up against one person.

sedetrad · « **Reply #13 on:** September 04, 2013, 02:08:41 PM »

Bowler, I will bold it all for you below.

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This thread is supposed to be about a man running a charitable operation that depends on donations paying himself ten times the median wage in this country.

Instead it turns into the grilling of the personal lives of posters here.

That's because of trolling.

Some might recall a couple weeks ago some pretty long threads about the resistance priests: there was never a good faith discussion going on on the troll's side. He would never address doctrinal issues (except to argue being a true Catholic is subjective!), which isn't surprising since he doesn't hold to Catholic doctrine: what it basically came down to was a series of insults against the resistance priests, general insults and stereotypes of those who attend resistance masses. This went on and on. All these priests of the SSPX who left being compared to Pope Michael and Father Moderator.

That is not good faith. That is disingenuous trolling.

sedetrad · « **Reply #14 on:** September 04, 2013, 02:10:24 PM »

We are discussing Gregg's consistent trolling. He follows the same MO every time he decides to troll.