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Traditional Catholic Faith => General Discussion => Topic started by: Jaynek on June 21, 2017, 09:00:44 AM
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Te Deum forum has been giving a "Maintenace Mode - closed for the time being" message for about a week now. I check it fairly often but did not see it announced in advance. Does anyone know what happened?
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Nope! Though as I said here (http://trad.freesmfhosting.com/index.php/topic,175.msg795.html#msg795) -- history has so far invariably proven that when forums go offline without notice, it's a sure sign that they won't be coming back.
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So many trad Catholic forums seem to shut down without warning. I wonder why Te Deum is gone. It is a shame all of our posts have disappeared and are lost. I know I was a member for about two years I think and made around 450 posts there or so but now I guess they are lost forever. Well Cathinfo is still up and I have made the most posts here, and in May I joined SD and they're still up, but I feel bad about all those posts being lost by so many members.
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Nope! Though as I said here (http://trad.freesmfhosting.com/index.php/topic,175.msg795.html#msg795) -- history has so far invariably proven that when forums go offline without notice, it's a sure sign that they won't be coming back.
Thanks for linking to the existing thread. I was looking for one but managed to miss it. I consider your information on this highly credible since you are/were a moderator there.
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I know Proboards told the Te Deum forum admin to remove the The Principle movie poster image I had in my signature:
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Perhaps they shut down the forum for reasons of violating their terms of service (ToS)—i.e., they're ideologically opposed to its content.
That's what happens when you use give some third party software control over your forum software. Deo gratias CathInfo isn't run this way.
Another thing with using Proboards was that their software rewrites URLs so any link you click first goes through their tracker and then brings you to the intended destination. (Disqus does this, too.) Thus, with all this tracking info, Proboards has quite a lot of ammo to fuel any ToS violation accusation.
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...I feel bad about all those posts being lost by so many members.
at one time, I thought about trying to archive everything I've posted. But...that takes a lot of time that I don't have.
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What can I say?
"I told you so"?
None of these little forums have stood the test of time like CathInfo has. "Since 2006" is our middle name.
Of course I'm biased, but I'm also telling the truth when I say: you post on these little forums at your own risk. Just don't be too attached to anything you post there. On any day, with zero warning, you might be greeted with a "maintenance mode" or "the forum is shut down for X or Y reason" message.
It's happened plenty of times before, and it will happen many times again. Especially with forums with under 500 members, and those who don't even bother registering a domain name. But especially those who use third-party or "free" forum hosting. (NOTE: You can get a domain name and still have a forum software company host your forum). When someone else is responsible for your content, that is VERY dangerous for a Traditional Catholic forum. In the eyes of The World, traditional Catholics are very controversial sometimes...
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There are several levels of "independence" when it comes to running a forum:
1. No independence: proboards, simplemachines, or some "free forum hosting" website gives you a free forum. Any of those "get your own forum in 15 minutes" websites fit into this category. They host your site AND maintain the software. Basically, your forum belongs to them and they are responsible for everything posted there. If they get the smallest complaint, they quickly shut you down first and ask questions later.
2. Some independence: You find your own (usually free) forum software and install it on your own web hosting account. This gives you a bit more freedom, but you are still at the mercy of your webhost. The complaints have to be a bit more serious (defamation, copyright issues, anti-semitism, etc.) but people could still easily find out who is hosting your site, and register a complaint. Webhosting companies can and will "pause" your website while these issues are sorted out.
3. Complete independence: You find your own software AND you host that software on your own web server. This is the most work, and it requires a lot of technical (Linux, Apache, SSL, modules, PHP, MySQL) expertise. There are other requirements, which I won't go into detail about here. But let's just say that technical expertise is just the FIRST hurdle you must overcome. But the level of freedom in this category is limited only by the laws of the United States itself. If someone has a problem with your site, they have to get a stack of money (measured in thousands of dollars) and hire a lawyer. Lawyers don't do contingency lawsuits for things like defamation. Or if someone threatens the life of the United States President, you might have recourse to the authorities. Things like that. But these aren't the kind of issues that have shut down so many Trad Catholic forums in the past...
CathInfo is in category #3. That allows us maximum freedom to discuss whatever we want. (We started out in category #2, and moved to category #3 in April 2016.)
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I know Proboards told the Te Deum forum admin to remove the The Principle movie poster image I had in my signature:
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Seriously?!? That's insane even by modernist standards.
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I agree. "The Principle" is a big production movie with plenty of marketing, big names, etc. and let's face it -- it asks some tough questions based on the evidence.
On WHAT grounds can they demand that posters for this movie be taken down?
First the h0Ɩ0h0αx, now Heliocentrism must be accepted on faith? I thought all science and history could be re-visited, questioned, etc.
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2. Some independence: You find your own (usually free) forum software and install it on your own web hosting account. This gives you a bit more freedom, but you are still at the mercy of your webhost. The complaints have to be a bit more serious (defamation, copyright issues, anti-semitism, etc.) but people could still easily find out who is hosting your site, and register a complaint. Webhosting companies can and will "pause" your website while these issues are sorted out.
3. Complete independence: You find your own software AND you host that software on your own web server. This is the most work, and it requires a lot of technical (Linux, Apache, SSL, modules, PHP, MySQL) expertise. There are other requirements, which I won't go into detail about here. But let's just say that technical expertise is just the FIRST hurdle you must overcome. But the level of freedom in this category is limited only by the laws of the United States itself. If someone has a problem with your site, they have to get a stack of money (measured in thousands of dollars) and hire a lawyer. Lawyers don't do contingency lawsuits for things like defamation. Or if someone threatens the life of the United States President, you might have recourse to the authorities. Things like that. But these aren't the kind of issues that have shut down so many Trad Catholic forums in the past...
CathInfo is in category #3. That allows us maximum freedom to discuss whatever we want. (We started out in category #2, and moved to category #3 in April 2016.)
Wow, I didn't know you hosted it, too. Deo gratias! :)
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This is why you run your own server.
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I have a hard time keeping track of all the small forums. This was the forum run by a 50 year old man "Vox Populi Sux" who acts like he's 20.
https://www.cathinfo.com/general-discussion/owner-of-te-deum-forums-'exit-stage-left'/
I just want to make a few observations:
voxxpopulisuxx
What kind of username is this?
1. His username will be abbreviated Vox. Come on! How many Trad forums were created in the last 50 years? 10? 12? maybe 15? And TWO of them have "Vox" for a moderator? Do the English and Latin languages have that few words between them?
2. I think his first choice of username (or the simplified version) would be VoxPopuliSux. Maybe it was taken, so he added an extra X after Vox and Sux.
3. His name is a bit vulgar -- saying anything "sucks" is technically a crude expression, though it's true that many people use it, and it's a "lesser" swear word, so most people don't take it to its "logical imagery/conclusion" shall we say. (I have learned to remove that phrase from my daily lexicon, for the sake of my kids.)
4. What is his name and what does it mean? Vox Populi Sux -- The voice of the people sucks. So it shows a disdain for the opinion of the members who post on Trad Catholic fora; it suggests a positive disdain for what the people want -- even when those "people" are Traditional Catholics whose opinion is probably better and more worthy than your own opinion.
5. He sounds like he is under 25, given the content of his posts and the fact that "sux" is found in his username.
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I have a hard time keeping track of all the small forums. This was the forum run by a 50 year old man "Vox Populi Sux" who acts like he's 20.
Hi Matthew. Voxx was never the owner of Te Deum, he was one of the moderators. But he stopped being a moderator a while ago and started his own forum called "Trad Cath Forum." The man in charge of Te Deum was called Sbvyl (I am not sure how it is spelled).
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Te Deum forum has been giving a "Maintenace Mode - closed for the time being" message for about a week now. I check it fairly often but did not see it announced in advance. Does anyone know what happened?
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So you are suggesting that Te Deum was closed by the Jєωs? Not likely. Te Deum was a sedevacantist forum. Isn't sedevacantism a honey pot set up by the Jєωs to get good Catholics to go outside the Church and lose their souls all the while thinking they are the holy remnnant?
I am kidding.
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Good joke!
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Te Deum forum has been giving a "Maintenace Mode - closed for the time being" message for about a week now. I check it fairly often but did not see it announced in advance. Does anyone know what happened?
I don't frequent that board but unless something happened to the owner, it's very rude of him to not say something to someone, at least to one of the other moderators. That's just common courtesy, unless, God forbid, something happened to him. I will and we all need to, or at least should offer prayers for him just in case, because what if....?
If I posted there as I do here, i.e. all the time, I would strive to get in touch with him until I either got a reply or knew he was getting my inquiries but was purposely not answering. At any rate, for those who posted there and knew him at all, seems they should be vigilant about getting in touch with him.
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I don't frequent that board but unless something happened to the owner, it's very rude of him to not say something to someone, at least to one of the other moderators. That's just common courtesy, unless, God forbid, something happened to him. I will and we all need to, or at least should offer prayers for him just in case, because what if....?
If I posted there as I do here, i.e. all the time, I would strive to get in touch with him until I either got a reply or knew he was getting my inquiries but was purposely not answering. At any rate, for those who posted there and knew him at all, seems they should be vigilant about getting in touch with him.
It does not seem likely that there is anything physically wrong with Sbvyl. Apparently he is the only one who could have set up the "maintenance mode" message. Still, it doesn't hurt to pray and there is quite possibly something wrong spiritually.
The TD moderators, Mithrandylan, tmw89, and GottmitunsAlex, have repeatedly tried to contact him and concluded that he is deliberately not communicating. They have given up on the TD forum returning and have started up a new forum.
It is tempting to speculate on what led him to do this, but that is the way that false rumours get started. It is probably best to pray and limit our comments to what can be verified.
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I don't frequent that board but unless something happened to the owner, it's very rude of him to not say something to someone, at least to one of the other moderators. That's just common courtesy, unless, God forbid, something happened to him. I will and we all need to, or at least should offer prayers for him just in case, because what if....?
If I posted there as I do here, i.e. all the time, I would strive to get in touch with him until I either got a reply or knew he was getting my inquiries but was purposely not answering. At any rate, for those who posted there and knew him at all, seems they should be vigilant about getting in touch with him.
9/10, these forum closings are incredibly sudden with no prior notice. At least, in my experience (Catholic Action Chat and Archbishop Lefebvre Forums 1 through 92), that's how it's been.
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The TD moderators, Mithrandylan, tmw89, and GottmitunsAlex, have repeatedly tried to contact him and concluded that he is deliberately not communicating. They have given up on the TD forum returning and have started up a new forum.
It is tempting to speculate on what led him to do this, but that is the way that false rumours get started. It is probably best to pray and limit our comments to what can be verified.
True Jayne, but there are situations, like perhaps this one, where the guy went out of his way to bring on the speculations and rumors by pulling a disappearing act like that. As a person of authority, which he was because he took it upon himself to be "the boss", part of having that authority is to not just drop off the face of the earth like that without saying something to someone.
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9/10, these forum closings are incredibly sudden with no prior notice. At least, in my experience (Catholic Action Chat and Archbishop Lefebvre Forums 1 through 92), that's how it's been.
I wasn't aware of that - did they all close and the forum owner never gave a reason or never said anything to anyone?
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True Jayne, but there are situations, like perhaps this one, where the guy went out of his way to bring on the speculations and rumors by pulling a disappearing act like that. As a person of authority, which he was because he took it upon himself to be "the boss", which part of that authority is to not just drop off the face of the earth like that without saying something to someone.
I'm not arguing with that. If he deliberately chose to abandon his forum without informing anyone, that seems pretty irresponsible.
I was writing to myself more than anyone else. I have guesses about what happened and am tempted to post them. But I think that would be wrong so I am trying to talk myself out of it.
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I'm not arguing with that. If he deliberately chose to abandon his forum without informing anyone, that seems pretty irresponsible.
I was writing to myself more than anyone else. I have guesses about what happened and am tempted to post them. But I think that would be wrong so I am trying to talk myself out of it.
Ya, no need to speculate.
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Ya, no need to speculate.
The owner of Te Deum is a member of CathInfo. Perhaps he will provide some insight into why he closed the forum at some time then no one will have to wonder.
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It does not seem likely that there is anything physically wrong with Sbvyl. Apparently he is the only one who could have set up the "maintenance mode" message. Still, it doesn't hurt to pray and there is quite possibly something wrong spiritually.
I want to clarify that I did not mean this as speculation that there is actually anything spiritually wrong with him. I have no basis to think such a thing. I was just trying to make the point that it is good to pray for people in a situation in which it is possible that something is wrong even if one does not know. Since God knows what every person's needs are we can entrust a person to God and know that He will answer our prayers in the most suitable way.
I am sorry if this came across as detraction of Sbvyl. That was not my intent at all.
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JayneK,
It's not detraction, gossip, or speculation to broadly say, "something is amiss in the owner's life". Obviously something must have happened, or the forum wouldn't have been shut down! Know what I mean?
But unless you know the man personally, anything more specific than that would be wild guessing, which doesn't accomplish anything at all.
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JayneK,
It's not detraction, gossip, or speculation to broadly say, "something is amiss in the owner's life". Obviously something must have happened, or the forum wouldn't have been shut down! Know what I mean?
But unless you know the man personally, anything more specific than that would be wild guessing, which doesn't accomplish anything at all.
I agree. Based on what I know of him, I think that Sbvyl is a good man and there is some good reason for his forum shutting down this way. I am a bit concerned that I was not clear enough on this point in my previous posts.
I had some very public disagreements with him in the past which could lead people to interpret my comments in a far more negative way than I intended. Most people do not realize that Sbvyl and I later reconciled "behind the scenes" and have been on good terms with each other for some time now. While I do not know anything more than has been made public about this situation, I have been imagining scenarios that involve serious illness and similar problems that have left me very concerned for his well-being.
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Good joke!
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They must be having quite a lot on him for him to be eating out of their hands!
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The other day Bumphrey Hogart replied to this discussion saying that Cathinfo could expect more activity than the Te Deum forum since Cathinfo allows discussions on multiple views on the situation in the Church ( i.e. R&R, sede), and also allows discussions on Feeneyism.
Matthew, can you explain why he was banned?
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BumphreyHogart was banned for holding multiple accounts. I banned him as "nado" years ago, and he came back with a new account.
That is all the reason I need for banning him.
But, to be nice, I'll give you a further reason -- his last XX posts have been increasingly adversarial towards me, to the point that no matter WHAT the topic, when I saw that he responded to a thread I was in, I thought to myself "oh boy, here goes..."
And furthermore, with every week I let him stay here, he seemed to be growing ever bolder and more insubordinate. He was making a game out of it, like a troll. It was getting ridiculous.
Let's put it this way: either he was a troll or a masochist (a glutton for punishment). If we are to take him at face value, it's a mystery why he ever "put up with" this forum.
Long story short, his banning was long overdue.
When someone crosses the line (sometimes for the 5th time), I sometimes delete a banned member's "last straw" post, for the sake of removing bad example. I make a judgment call on a case-by-case basis. Sometimes the last post is ridiculous (and thus harmless), but other times it could be incendiary.
Fortunately this forum is run by a human being, rather than a machine, computer program, rule book, etc.
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He was also McCork after he was Nado.
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The other day Bumphrey Hogart replied to this discussion saying that Cathinfo could expect more activity than the Te Deum forum since Cathinfo allows discussions on multiple views on the situation in the Church ( i.e. R&R, sede), and also allows discussions on Feeneyism.
Matthew, can you explain why he was banned?
By the way, that was not how BH phrased it, or he wouldn't have been banned. :)
You have distorted his last post into something quite innocuous. He was resorting to name-calling, including the ridiculous phrase "trad-cuмenical". What does that mean? There is only one True Trad Position? If there is, we human beings don't have it within our power to know it with any certainty.
But he was NOT that polite, and I chose to interpret his last post in light of all the other facts, including: his posting history on CI, his adversarial attitude towards me, the fact that he came back with a 2nd account without permission, the fact that he was previously banned, etc.
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BumphreyHogart was banned for holding multiple accounts. I banned him as "nado" years ago, and he came back with a new account.
That is all the reason I need for banning him.
Understand you had other reasons for banning him.
For what it's worth (zero, but I thought it important to point out), I did ask him if he was "nado" on a PM when he first appeared after another poster said that he was (I'm afraid I am not able to distinguish posters by their style of writing as others seem to be able to do). BumphreyHogart replied that he was not "nado" and really didn't know anything about that former member.
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Fortunately this forum is run by a human being, rather than a machine, computer program, rule book, etc.
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From what I hear you can get a robot set up to run a forum. . :jester:
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Imagine all the time that would free up!!
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I don't frequent that board but unless something happened to the owner, it's very rude of him to not say something to someone, at least to one of the other moderators. That's just common courtesy, unless, God forbid, something happened to him. I will and we all need to, or at least should offer prayers for him just in case, because what if....?
If I posted there as I do here, i.e. all the time, I would strive to get in touch with him until I either got a reply or knew he was getting my inquiries but was purposely not answering. At any rate, for those who posted there and knew him at all, seems they should be vigilant about getting in touch with him.
I did, Stubborn. I have his email address. I have not received a reply.
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I did, Stubborn. I have his email address. I have not received a reply.
I think that we should pray for him.
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I think that we should pray for him.
Completely agree. (Am doing that.)
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Was Sbvyl ever a member on any other forums before starting Te Deum? I could never identify him, but assume he was a longtime member of some other forum, probably FE.
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Was Sbvyl ever a member on any other forums before starting Te Deum? I could never identify him, but assume he was a longtime member of some other forum, probably FE.
Yes. Suscipe Domine, and I think Catholic Answers and FE, but I could be wrong about the latter 2. Definitely SD, just before TD.
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Did he have another handle on these other forums?
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Was Sbvyl ever a member on any other forums before starting Te Deum? I could never identify him, but assume he was a longtime member of some other forum, probably FE.
Wasn't there someone who had the audacity to appear on CathInfo under the member-name or formal-portrait (i.e., avatar) of one of the most prominent traditional Catholic popes, e.g., Pope St. Pius V or X? From the context, which was defending actions taken by a webmaster on a more-or-less competing forum, I inferred that it was one of that forum's founders. Could that have been "Sbvyl"?
It's quite possible that I'm confusing the Suscipe Domine forum & founders with the Te Deum forum & founders.
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Sbvyl was on FE for a short time, using that name, and was soon banned. He then posted on Suscipe Domine, also using the name Sbvyl, starting in November 2013 until September 2014. He stopped posting there shortly after starting his own forum.
He very briefly posted to CAF as a joke. He started a poll on SD about how long it would take him to get banned from CAF and lasted there less than a day. His posts were removed, so it it not possible to check what name he used. It probably was sbvyl, since he used it on all other forums that I know of.
Sbvyl does have an account here at CI, also under the name Sbvyl, with his usual avatar of a picture of Pius X. He has written a few posts here defending his forum when it was attacked, but that seems pretty normal to me.
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At Te Deum for a long time, Sbvyl seemed busy. I thought that he was occupied at work and didn't have the free time to look after his forum. When Voxx was a moderator Voxx spent a lot of time on the forum overseeing the forum and he made many many posts, but after he left to start his own forum there were not a lot of posts from the moderators including Sbvyl.
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At Te Deum for a long time, Sbvyl seemed busy. I thought that he was occupied at work and didn't have the free time to look after his forum. When Voxx was a moderator Voxx spent a lot of time on the forum overseeing the forum and he made many many posts, but after he left to start his own forum there were not a lot of posts from the moderators including Sbvyl.
To be precise, Voxx did not leave to start his own forum. He stepped down as a moderator at TD (not voluntarily) but remained there as a member. He started his new forum while a member at TD, belonging to both for months. He did post less often at TD once he had his own forum to look after, but he remained a member in good standing almost until the closing of TD. There seems to have been some sort of problem in the last week or so of TD's activity, but since the forum is closed now it is not possible to see what that was.
I do agree that none of the other moderators were as active as Voxx.
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He did post less often at TD once he had his own forum to look after, but he remained a member in good standing almost until the closing of TD. There seems to have been some sort of problem in the last week or so of TD's activity, but since the forum is closed now it is not possible to see what that was.
I remember the problem. Voxx got a temp ban but the forum closed before the ban was over I believe. I originally said what the problem was but then edited this post because I decided it was best left unsaid now that the forum is gone.
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I remember the problem. Voxx got a temp ban but the forum closed before the ban was over I believe. I originally said what the problem was but then edited this post because I decided it was best left unsaid now that the forum is gone.
It is very easy for a thread like this to cross the line from legitimate interest in a matter that affects oneself to gossip. I think that, at this point, pretty much anything else is best left unsaid.
If anyone has something that he really feels he needs to add to this thread, please do your best to ensure that it is accurate. Don't post half-remembered details, especially when they might not even be about the people under discussion. Don't speculate or make assumptions. Only write what is true and necessary.
My last few posts on this thread went beyond what I believe is reasonable to discuss, but I figured it was better for me to post the truth than to leave inaccurate material unchallenged.
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I didn't participate too often on Te Deum. Though, I sort of wish it was back up so I could collect my messages. Same for other forums I've been banned from.
Though there's other options, Cathinfo is likely the last forum I'll be involved with. I've gotten an e-mail directing me to the emergency auxiliary forum that the Te Deum community supposedly went to, but I will not activate myself there.
So I do hope that Matt does a good job keeping it up and fighting the good fight on his battlefronts.
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WAIT A MINUTE. :o
This is just wild speculation, but I just had a thought just now.
Consider this. Te Deum is brought down somehow. Fisheaters is going through some kind of a weird thing.
Do you guys think that there's a concerted effort to go after online Catholic communities by various modernist forces, in order to tear down our networks?
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Do you guys think that there's a concerted effort to go after online Catholic communities by various modernist forces, in order to tear down our networks?
No. There is no evidence at all to support this. Te Deum was, beyond reasonable doubt, closed by the decision of its owner. Reliable sources (TD moderators) have said that the only person who could have put the forum into "Maintenance Mode" is the owner.
The recent changes on Fisheaters appear to be a new format that they are calling Fisheaters 3.0. As well as a new look, links to FE (eg. from here or from Google Advanced Search) now take one to the home page rather than the designated link. While this may seem weird, these changes were almost certainly made by the owner.
The only likely connection that I can imagine between CI and FE is that the owner of Fisheaters may have seen that Matthew had improved CI with format changes and was inspired to make some on her own forum. But it is just as possible that made her decision independently.