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Taylor Marshall Helped Organize & Fund Pachamama Dunking
« on: April 01, 2020, 09:16:04 AM »
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  • https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/prominent-us-catholic-helped-plan-fund-purging-of-pachamama-idol-from-church-in-rome

    Not a great look.

    I don't think this means that Marshall or AT didn't actually want to destroy the idols (if anything this new info shows they did).  But this is the problem with entrepreneurial traditionalism.  You risk making people feel like they're on the receiving end of a guerilla marketing campaign.  

    I don't know that Marshall ever outright lied about his involvement, and I don't really feel like going through all the old videos to see if he did.  So for now I'll be content to say it's 'not a great look' and as more information comes in and as there's time to process it, maybe that opinion will change.

    This isn't to say, necessarily, that there might not have been good reasons for secrecy.  But I'm not sure exactly what those would have been.
    "Be kind; do not seek the malicious satisfaction of having discovered an additional enemy to the Church... And, above all, be scrupulously truthful. To all, friends and foes alike, give that serious attention which does not misrepresent any opinion, does not distort any statement, does not mutilate any quotation. We need not fear to serve the cause of Christ less efficiently by putting on His spirit". (Vermeersch, 1913).


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    Re: Taylor Marshall Helped Organize & Fund Pachamama Dunking
    « Reply #1 on: April 01, 2020, 10:14:40 AM »
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  • Not a great look.

    But this is the problem with entrepreneurial traditionalism.  You risk making people feel like they're on the receiving end of a guerilla marketing campaign.  

    I used to think there was not a lot of money in traditional Catholicism so that the leaders were generally honest. But I learned that there is a lot more money in it than I thought. At first I was generally surprised when I learned that Ann Barnhardt made enough money in donations to pay her rent, as meager as her apartment was (and considering what she writes, I do hope her apartment is modest) because I was generally surprised that a blogger in a niche market like traditional Catholicism could raise a thousand dollars a month to pay rent and utilities, or whatever her rent is. But some people make a lot of money (unless it was a lie, I heard it claimed that one of the trad luminaries who I will not name made over 180,000 dollars in one year as salary through donations from his trad website according the the IRS (the records are public because the money went to a tax exempt "charity" which is basically himself). There are not many trads, but they must be generous with their money. So I understand when people call them "grifters" and I trust them less than I used to.

    I find the rise of this Taylor Marshall to be interesting. Why him? If I tried to become a trad "grifter", I do not think I would be successful. He must be pretty smart. But I think it is strange that a man who was an Anglican then Opus Dei (I heard the claim that when he converted to Catholicism he first went to Opus Dei, but someone disputed this) and only recently became a trad, is selling books to us and telling us what to think and recommending the best prayer books and missals to us instead of taking the lowest seat at the table and waiting for the master to raise him up. I mean I was a trad for years when Taylor Marshall was condemning trads for not honoring John Paul II and for having problems with Vatican II. My friend Tom actually recommended that I try to write articles for Catholic Family News, but I don't think I would be good at it, nor would anyone want me. My highest calling is making posts on Cathinfo that a few dozen people read. But as for Taylor Marshall, I would trust him more if he stopped selling his non-trad books, because if he wrote religious books before he was a trad and his position changed, by selling his old books he would be leading souls into error. Has anyone read "The Crucified Rabbi"? The title makes me cringe. I didn't read "Infiltration" because I wasn't interested, but E Michael Jones in a review I read said that TM doesn't name the Jєω as the agents of the Infiltration. But I hope TM is a good guy, I prefer him to Michael Voris. My Church friend Louis really likes him and talks about him a lot.

    Someone did make me laugh when they claimed that this whole paccamamma into the river bit was a plot by TM and AT to get AT notoriety so that he could in the future become a political leader and play act as the great monarch and fool the trads into coming under the arms of Opus Dei. Don't think that is true, it just made me laugh.
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    Re: Taylor Marshall Helped Organize & Fund Pachamama Dunking
    « Reply #2 on: April 01, 2020, 10:21:13 AM »
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  • I find the rise of this Taylor Marshall to be interesting. Why him? If I tried to become a trad "grifter", I do not think I would be successful. He must be pretty smart. But I think it is strange that a man who was an Anglican then Opus Dei (I heard the claim that when he converted to Catholicism he first went to Opus Dei, but someone disputed this) and only recently became a trad, is selling books to us and telling us what to think and recommending the best prayer books and missals to us instead of taking the lowest seat at the table and waiting for the master to raise him up. I mean I was a trad for years when Taylor Marshall was condemning trads for not honoring John Paul II and for having problems with Vatican II. My friend Tom actually recommended that I try to write articles for Catholic Family News, but I don't think I would be good at it, nor would anyone want me. My highest calling is making posts on Cathinfo that a few dozen people read. But as for Taylor Marshall, I would trust him more if he stopped selling his non-trad books, because if he wrote religious books before he was a trad and his position changed, by selling his old books he would be leading souls into error. Has anyone read "The Crucified Rabbi"? The title makes me cringe. I didn't read "Infiltration" because I wasn't interested, but E Michael Jones in a review I read said that TM doesn't name the Jєω.

    Someone did make me laugh when they claimed that this whole paccamamma into the river bit was a plot by TM and AT to get AT notoriety so that he could in the future become a political leader and play act as the great monarch and fool the trads into coming under the arms of Opus Dei. Don't think that is true, it just made me laugh.
    I do not think TM is actually Opus Dei since Opus Dei is actually not the Trad group people think it is, however, he does  have this video on his YouTube channel of the previous prelate of Opus Dei:

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    Re: Taylor Marshall Helped Organize & Fund Pachamama Dunking
    « Reply #3 on: April 01, 2020, 10:32:58 AM »
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  • I do not think TM is actually Opus Dei since Opus Dei is actually not the Trad group people think it is, however, he does  have this video on his YouTube channel of the previous prelate of Opus Dei:

    I apologize for not remembering where I read he was Opus Dei. I have a flaw of reading things and remembering them, but forgetting the source, so I am not good with footnotes. I remember reading that he was OD and then that someone disputed it. So I consider whether or not he was OD is a disputed question.
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    Re: Taylor Marshall Helped Organize & Fund Pachamama Dunking
    « Reply #4 on: April 01, 2020, 10:59:31 AM »
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  • But some people make a lot of money (unless it was a lie, I heard it claimed that one of the trad luminaries who I will not name made over 180,000 dollars in one year as salary through donations from his trad website according the the IRS (the records are public because the money went to a tax exempt "charity" which is basically himself).

    It's rather well known that the Holy $teve $kojec rakes in >$200k per year for his 1P5 "charity", wherein ~85% of the revenue goes to him and his wife as 'salaries.'

    1P5's latest available Form 990 (FY2017) available here.


    There are not many trads, but they must be generous with their money. So I understand when people call them "grifters" and I trust them less than I used to.

    True. Unless, of course, there's an "Angel Investor" a/k/a "Sugar Daddy" or "Sugar Momma."

    Which recalls to mind something about being unable to obey two masters, one of them being mammon?


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    Re: Taylor Marshall Helped Organize & Fund Pachamama Dunking
    « Reply #5 on: April 01, 2020, 11:16:02 AM »
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  • Good for whoever funded it. I would have chipped in if I had the opportunity. When my 10 yr old grandson was told about the Austrian fellow chucking the idols into the river,  he said "Only cuz I couldn't get there first." I think that sums it up for many Catholics. So, thanks to TM for making it possible.

    PS- That miserable tree should be watered with salt-(holy) water so it will shrivel up and die and nothing will grow in that spot again. 

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    Re: Taylor Marshall Helped Organize & Fund Pachamama Dunking
    « Reply #6 on: April 01, 2020, 11:47:36 AM »
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  • Good for whoever funded it. I would have chipped in if I had the opportunity. When my 10 yr old grandson was told about the Austrian fellow chucking the idols into the river,  he said "Only cuz I couldn't get there first." I think that sums it up for many Catholics. So, thanks to TM for making it possible.

    PS- That miserable tree should be watered with salt-(holy) water so it will shrivel up and die and nothing will grow in that spot again.
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    Well, and TM said the reason he funded it is that he wasn't able to be there in person.  Initially he and AT, when they met in Rome, were planning on collaborating in person.  So, I guess that's a point.
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    Re: Taylor Marshall Helped Organize & Fund Pachamama Dunking
    « Reply #7 on: April 01, 2020, 05:25:24 PM »
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  • From 1:23:56-1:26:13 during the same interview

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    So what I think right now is that the plan God has, at least for me, and I can only talk about this right now, because I do not know what God's plan is for you and for the others, is to get this virus, to get through it, to be immune against it; so I am immune against it and as soon as I have my energy back I do not have it back yet fully, but as soon as I have it back I promise you God will give me immediately a very, very, very big task.

    I already have right now since yesterday, I cannot talk about it, but since yesterday I got a huge task to do and I have to pray for it now and I have to prepare for it. And I see that this will all, this all changes really the whole surface of the world.

    So, if people did not believe that the whole modernist world and everything and this whole idea of going ahead every day and every day "modernism will make something new and bigger and more great and fantastic" and so on, now you see what modernism brings. Modernism brings that the families goes together now hate each other and beat each other up, and modernism brings that the churches are closed, modernism brings that the people are losing hope completely and modernism brings that the state is taking over and it is surveilling you now through everything, every device you have. So, this is what modernism brings. And the people now can open their eyes and can understand again that their goal is of course on Earth not to be anything like that but to live a life according to what God wants. Now is the time to understand. Now is the time to follow it. Pray for it, prepare for it.

    Within the next month there will come a time when God will ask many things of all of us, all of us Catholics, and we all have to prepare for them and the only possibility to prepare is to ask the Lord for his help with praying:
      
    "God, please let me be prepared for whatever you have for a task for me for  whatever task you have for me let me be prepared please prepare me for this."

    So, this is the preparation time and Lent is a preparation time so let's see what happens at Easter..."

    They're planning something...
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    Re: Taylor Marshall Helped Organize & Fund Pachamama Dunking
    « Reply #8 on: April 02, 2020, 06:51:41 AM »
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  • Good for whoever funded it. I would have chipped in if I had the opportunity. When my 10 yr old grandson was told about the Austrian fellow chucking the idols into the river,  he said "Only cuz I couldn't get there first." I think that sums it up for many Catholics. So, thanks to TM for making it possible.

    PS- That miserable tree should be watered with salt-(holy) water so it will shrivel up and die and nothing will grow in that spot again.
    Yes, thanks to them for taking Catholic Action!
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    Re: Taylor Marshall Helped Organize & Fund Pachamama Dunking
    « Reply #9 on: April 02, 2020, 08:07:24 AM »
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  • https://akacatholic.com/revelation-dr-taylor-marshall-abm-is-short/

    REVELATION: Dr. Taylor Marshall, ABM, is short
    Louie April 1, 2020 6 Comments
    Dr. Taylor Marshall, charter member of Trad, Inc., isn’t the slimiest of that lot – a distinction that belongs to any who would deliberately play both sides of important issues in order to maximize personal income – but he’s certainly not a straight shootin’, truth tellin’ choir boy rendering selfless service to the Church either.

    His apparent motto and field of expertise? ABM: Always Be Marketing.

    As reported by LifeSite News, another charter member of the aforementioned mockingbird media movement, Marshall recently revealed that he was secretly in cahoots with Alexander Tschugguel, the celebrated Pachamama-slayer-turned-prophet:
    Dr. Taylor Marshall revealed in a March 27 interview with Alexander Tschugguel, the young Austrian man who removed the pagan idols from the church and threw them into the Tiber, his role in the story for the first time. Marshall not only helped plan the purge, but he provided funds to see it accomplished (see comments beginning at 106:41 ).

    Do click on the link provided. What you’ll see, if you can stomach it, is great theater. Otherwise, just follow the transcript below:

    Marshall: Everyone knows you as the guy who threw the Pachamama idols in the river and we, we thank you again for doing that, that was a great, a great moment of a victory and joy. [Nota Bene: At this point in the interview, Marshall’s stuttering mention of the Pachamama drowning comes out of left field; it’s well out of context with the banter that preceded it.]

    Tschugguel: Isn’t now the time to, to tell people a little bit about, about how we were in contact?

    Marshall: [With sheepish grin appearing even as Tschugguel is speaking] I guess perhaps we can, uh, uh, I wasn’t prepared for that, but yeah…

    Marshall then proceeded to come clean, revealing for the first time that he played an integral role in the drowning of those hideous idols. The real story here, however, is that Taylor Marshall has outed himself as a self-promoting phony.
    For months on end now he has been putting on an act with regard to the Pachamama drowning event, behaving as if he, like everyone else, initially had no idea who performed that surprising but welcome act.

    He joined his voice to others wondering (pretending to wonder, that is) if the hero’s identity would ever be made known, but only after taking pains to make certain that everyone knew that it was he who broke the story first (more on that in a moment).

    And when at last Alexander Tschugguel stepped into the limelight (another orchestrated event) and right onto Tayler Marshall’s stage, and on the very same day he went public, the latter was pleased to let viewers believe that his was the go-to outlet among many that Tschugguel just happened to grace with an interview.

    Knowing what we know now, the opening of that interview () is disgusting:

    Marshall: I’m here with Alexander Tschugguel. Did I say that correctly Alexander? … Alexander welcome today, thanks for coming on with me.

    Tschugguel: Thank you very much Taylor, for inviting me. I’m very glad we can talk about it in a very nice way.
    Yes, nice and phony. It’s obvious already that Tschugguel, for his part, is cut from the same cloth as Marshall, but we’ll come back to that later as well.

    Now, we are being asked in this latest video to believe that Marshall, out of nowhere, just happened to interject the Pachamama incident into the conversation, and Tschugguel took Marshall utterly by surprise in calling him out, thus moving his humble host to reluctantly fess up to his role in the affair, even though he wasn’t prepared to do so.

    If you believe that, you probably also believe that Coronavirus began when some hungry Chinaman decided to snack on a bat.
    In telling of his role in the great Pacha-heist, Marshall recounts:

    You [Tschugguel ] worked out your plan with your friend and I wired you some money for airfare, and you guys flew from Vienna over to Rome, and you got it done. A wonderful thing!

    This part of the story includes a little zinger presumably intended to excite the wallets of TM’s starry-eyed groupies; the underlying hint is clear: Do you people have any idea how much round trip airfare from Vienna to Rome costs? Well, multiply it by two! As you can imagine, it set me back a pretty penny! 

    No doubt, given that we live in a day and age when the expectation of integrity has no place in our cult of personality society, even among otherwise sober-minded Catholics, I have little doubt that many of Marshall’s adoring fans will defend his blatant dishonesty.

    Even so, it seems plain enough to me that from day one, this entire thing has been a set-up and, ultimately, one big marketing effort.

    If you’re not sufficiently disturbed already, go back and watch Taylor Marshal “break” the Pachamama in the Tiber story in the wee hours of Oct 21, 2019. What you’ll see is a man who is well at ease with deception.
    “I salute these men as heroes… pray for these, these heroes. We salute them,” he says.

    In hindsight, it now seems rather plain that Marshall considers himself one of the story’s heroes. At several points in the 22-minute video, Marshall emphasizes that it’s very early in the morning in the States; i.e., he literally had to crawl out of bed to break the big news:

    “It’s very early in the morning it’s the middle of the night here in Texas because this just happened in Rome … [it’s] early in the morning in Rome, that’s why it’s dark right here in Texas, it’s late … It’s very early in the morning as you can tell. I haven’t even shaved, combed my hair or anything … My challenge before I turn off and go back to bed…”

    The marketing message here is equally as clear: Don’t forget, you heard it here first! Look at how singularly connected I am to events unfolding in Rome! See how hard I work for you, Mr. and Mrs. Donor, even going so far as to disrupt my slumber so you can stay informed?

    There are, I suppose, plenty of Mr. and Mrs. Donors out there who are so desperate for a hero with “inside info” that they will continue to reward Taylor Marshall, in spite of the now indisputable fact that he evidently takes them for fools.
    Speaking of the irrational need that some persons have for a hero, let’s talk about Trad, Inc.’s newest celebrity, Alexander Tschugguel, shall we.

    As reported by LifeSite News:

    “Regarding his own miserable weeks with coronavirus, Tschugguel revealed that after serious prayer and reflection and reception of the sacraments from a brave Catholic priest, he discerned why in particular he had been chosen to suffer. However, he also explained that he is yet not ready to reveal the reason.”
    Evidently, Tschugguel has learned well at the knee of the marketing guru, Marshall, laboring to create a sense of anticipation among the mindless masses, faithful followers whom he hopes will be eagerly awaiting the great day of revealing when the prophet Alexander will at long last let the world know why he in particular, among all of the laborers in the vineyard of the Lord, had been chosen to suffer!
    You can’t make this kind of melodramatic narcissism up!
    As mentioned, it seems that Marshall and Tschugguel are cut from the same cloth, and a narcissistic cloth it is indeed.
    The photo below (and also at the top of this post) is the screen shot that Taylor Marshall chose for a video that he made and posted on YouTube of Tschugguel giving a speech in Texas back in November.

    Get this… the first thing that Taylor Marshall writes (annoyingly referring to himself in the third person) in the video’s description is the following:


    “Height reference: Alexander is 6’8″. Taylor is 5’11”.”

    Yes, because God forbid anyone might get the wrong impression and mistakenly conclude that Taylor Marshall is short!
    Well, now we know; the man is exceedingly short, on integrity, that is, and either it matters in the world of Catholic media, or it doesn’t.

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    Re: Taylor Marshall Helped Organize & Fund Pachamama Dunking
    « Reply #10 on: April 02, 2020, 08:51:50 AM »
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  • It's rather well known that the Holy $teve $kojec rakes in >$200k per year for his 1P5 "charity", wherein ~85% of the revenue goes to him and his wife as 'salaries.'

    1P5's latest available Form 990 (FY2017) available here.


    True. Unless, of course, there's an "Angel Investor" a/k/a "Sugar Daddy" or "Sugar Momma."

    Which recalls to mind something about being unable to obey two masters, one of them being mammon?
    You see, this is where I get naive.  I don't normally think of the apostolate as a place to make money.  Certainly not money like that.

    Incidentally, 9108 Church Street in Manassas is the downtown post office.  I used to live in Manassas and I could drive there with my eyes closed.


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    Re: Taylor Marshall Helped Organize & Fund Pachamama Dunking
    « Reply #11 on: April 02, 2020, 01:35:32 PM »
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  • I certainly had the impression in the beginning that Taylor Marshall didn't know Tschuggel before the Pachamama incident. Now they both admit they were already friends and planned the whole thing together. I have to say this seems deceptive, and it puts the entire idol-tossing event into a very different light. What before looked like a young man fired with zeal taking a huge risk to destroy an abomination, now looks more like an actor in a bizarre publicity stunt promoting Taylor Marshall.

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    Re: Taylor Marshall Helped Organize & Fund Pachamama Dunking
    « Reply #12 on: April 02, 2020, 04:57:32 PM »
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  • I never cared for how Marshall conducts his interview. He constantly interrupts the guests and answers for them after posing the questions.
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    Re: Taylor Marshall Helped Organize & Fund Pachamama Dunking
    « Reply #13 on: April 02, 2020, 05:25:42 PM »
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  • I do not think TM is actually Opus Dei since Opus Dei is actually not the Trad group people think it is, however, he does  have this video on his YouTube channel of the previous prelate of Opus Dei:

    TM Removed the video of the Opus Dei prelate on his channel. I posted a link of the video and it has been on TM's channel for over 3 years! Yet within days of me posting it on this forum, he removes it entirely! FISHHYYYY  :confused: :confused:

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    Re: Taylor Marshall Helped Organize & Fund Pachamama Dunking
    « Reply #14 on: April 02, 2020, 06:35:36 PM »
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  • I still don't like how TM managed the FisherMore College situation. He really stabbed President King in the back. The suspended priest that TM was complaining about on campus was Father Gruner.

    https://akacatholic.com/taylor-marshall-weighs-in-on-fmc/