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Offline CatholicInAmerica

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For all those SSPXers who are upset with the novus ordo “bishop” joining...
« on: May 21, 2019, 02:51:05 PM »
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    • The time is now to make the switch to the SSPV, or SSPX Resistance. Enough is enough. It is imperative to have 100 percent valid sacraments in these end times. 


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    Re: For all those SSPXers who are upset with the novus ordo “bishop” joining...
    « Reply #1 on: May 21, 2019, 03:55:40 PM »
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    • They're smart and are gradually boiling the frog.  It's probably why they didn't reach an agreement (or, rather, a working relationship) years and years ago.  They realized they would lose too many people.  So they do this a couple steps at a time, introduce Modernist thinking, and then the transition over happens naturally and without a big blowup.  They know what they're doing.
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    Re: For all those SSPXers who are upset with the novus ordo “bishop” joining...
    « Reply #2 on: May 21, 2019, 06:22:07 PM »
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    • Are SSPV sacraments 100% wiithout doubt?  I know Ladislaus said there were witnesses to the Mendez consecration, and I don't know a ton about it, but is that really a "100% without doubt" situation?  
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    Re: For all those SSPXers who are upset with the novus ordo “bishop” joining...
    « Reply #3 on: May 21, 2019, 06:32:59 PM »
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    • Quote from: ByzCat3000 on May 21, 2019, 06:22:07 PM
    Are SSPV sacraments 100% wiithout doubt?  I know Ladislaus said there were witnesses to the Mendez consecration, and I don't know a ton about it, but is that really a "100% without doubt" situation?  
    There is no positive doubt, thus it must be considered valid.
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    For what doth it profit a man, if he gain the whole world, and suffer the loss of his own soul? Or what exchange shall a man give for his soul?

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    Re: For all those SSPXers who are upset with the novus ordo “bishop” joining...
    « Reply #4 on: May 21, 2019, 06:46:32 PM »
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    • Quote from: Quo vadis Domine on May 21, 2019, 06:32:59 PM
    There is no positive doubt, thus it must be considered valid.
    I'm supicious on the grounds that apparently the consecration was done in 1993 but not announced till 1995?
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    Re: For all those SSPXers who are upset with the novus ordo “bishop” joining...
    « Reply #5 on: May 21, 2019, 08:47:02 PM »
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    • Quote from: ByzCat3000 on May 21, 2019, 06:46:32 PM
    I'm supicious on the grounds that apparently the consecration was done in 1993 but not announced till 1995?
    That doesn’t constitute a positive doubt. It may be peculiar, but not a positive doubt.
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    For what doth it profit a man, if he gain the whole world, and suffer the loss of his own soul? Or what exchange shall a man give for his soul?

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    Re: For all those SSPXers who are upset with the novus ordo “bishop” joining...
    « Reply #6 on: May 21, 2019, 09:25:05 PM »
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    • Quote from: Quo vadis Domine on May 21, 2019, 08:47:02 PM
    That doesn’t constitute a positive doubt. It may be peculiar, but not a positive doubt.
    What would be required for positive doubt?
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    Re: For all those SSPXers who are upset with the novus ordo “bishop” joining...
    « Reply #7 on: May 21, 2019, 09:37:10 PM »
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    • Quote from: ByzCat3000 on May 21, 2019, 06:22:07 PM
    Are SSPV sacraments 100% wiithout doubt?  I know Ladislaus said there were witnesses to the Mendez consecration, and I don't know a ton about it, but is that really a "100% without doubt" situation?  
    There are photographs and sworn statements. Go to St Pius V chapel .com for more info. 
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    Re: For all those SSPXers who are upset with the novus ordo “bishop” joining...
    « Reply #8 on: May 21, 2019, 10:55:32 PM »
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    • There are no SSPV in Arizona or even near AZ 
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    Re: For all those SSPXers who are upset with the novus ordo “bishop” joining...
    « Reply #9 on: May 31, 2019, 08:42:27 AM »
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    • The CMRI are prevalent in AZ.  Wish they were also more out east by us... 

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    Re: For all those SSPXers who are upset with the novus ordo “bishop” joining...
    « Reply #10 on: May 31, 2019, 09:14:03 AM »
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    • Here's a monthly-updated list of all latin masses for the entire US.  They do a great job with this:

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    Re: For all those SSPXers who are upset with the novus ordo “bishop” joining...
    « Reply #11 on: June 10, 2019, 06:37:31 AM »
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    • Quote from: ByzCat3000 on May 21, 2019, 09:25:05 PM
    What would be required for positive doubt?
    There must be actual proof or reliable testimony that something invalidating occurred. It can’t be something that you think may have happened, that would be a negative doubt. For example, if a credible person who was there, at the consecration, testified that the proper matter or form was not used, that would be a positive doubt. If someone conjectures that the bishop must be crazy for doing a certain consecration, that is a negative doubt.
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    Re: For all those SSPXers who are upset with the novus ordo “bishop” joining...
    « Reply #12 on: June 10, 2019, 05:29:59 PM »
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    • Quote from: Quo vadis Domine on June 10, 2019, 06:37:31 AM
    There must be actual proof or reliable testimony that something invalidating occurred. It can’t be something that you think may have happened, that would be a negative doubt. For example, if a credible person who was there, at the consecration, testified that the proper matter or form was not used, that would be a positive doubt. If someone conjectures that the bishop must be crazy for doing a certain consecration, that is a negative doubt.

    What you wrote is correct, provided the rite is performed lawfully and publicly, but the principle does not apply in the case of an illicit and secret consecration.

    There are many reasons to question the validity of the Thuc consecrations.  Here is an interesting article written by Fr. Cekada on the subject.   https://drive.google.com/file/d/1ZJwJkybg61akQum--MJVx9eYozHX2wFv/view  
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    Re: For all those SSPXers who are upset with the novus ordo “bishop” joining...
    « Reply #13 on: June 10, 2019, 05:44:16 PM »
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    • Quote from: RomanTheo on June 10, 2019, 05:29:59 PM
    What you wrote is correct, provided the rite is performed lawfully and publicly, but the principle does not apply in the case of an illicit and secret consecration.

    There are many reasons to question the validity of the Thuc consecrations.  Here is an interesting article written by Fr. Cekada on the subject.   https://drive.google.com/file/d/1ZJwJkybg61akQum--MJVx9eYozHX2wFv/view  
    Not true. I’m sure you know that Fr. Cekada refuted his own paper?
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    Re: For all those SSPXers who are upset with the novus ordo “bishop” joining...
    « Reply #14 on: June 11, 2019, 12:11:22 PM »
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