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Offline Matto

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Re: Suscipe Domine Again
« Reply #15 on: June 06, 2018, 06:39:48 PM »
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  • You have some strange taste. CM (which stands for Catholic Martyr, BTW) thought he was one of a handful of true Catholics left on earth -- the only other family he knew of was fkpagnanelli who JUST SO HAPPENED to have a young, single daughter he wanted to give to CM, since they were both on the same page on religion. It was just those two versus the whole world though!

    And you want to talk to Puritans who are basically heretics, dogmatic sedevacantists who say you are going to hell unless you believe a new dogma ("the See is vacant")? I guess there is no arguing with taste...

    Most people would complain if I *let* such types stay on CathInfo. I guess this is another case of "you can't please everyone".
    I could say the same of you, though. Because you banned some people so quickly but let Classicom post for years. Was it years or did it just seem so long? I admit I have a weak memory and a bad sense of time.
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    Re: Suscipe Domine Again
    « Reply #16 on: June 06, 2018, 06:41:51 PM »
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  • My golden age was from 2010 when I first joined until the first ABL forum started and everyone left to post there.

    Everyone left to post there, eh? In terms of traffic, they maxed out at 1/3 of CathInfo's traffic, at least in terms of how many registered members checked in within a 24-hour period. But none of the successors to the original ABL forum got even 1/20th of that popularity or traffic.

    I did think it was funny, though, that the original ABL forum had 3 moderators, and at least 2 of them were sedevacantist. I guess I didn't know +ABL was a sedevacantist...hahaha (note: I'm joking. +ABL was not sedevacantist. That's my point: The forum was ironically named.)

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    Re: Suscipe Domine Again
    « Reply #17 on: June 06, 2018, 06:43:31 PM »
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  • Everyone left to post there, eh? In terms of traffic, they maxed out at 1/3 of CathInfo's traffic, at least in terms of how many registered members checked in within a 24-hour period. But none of the successors to the original ABL forum got even 1/20th of that popularity or traffic.

    I did think it was funny, though, that the original ABL forum had 3 moderators, and at least 2 of them were sedevacantist. I guess I didn't know +ABL was a sedevacantist...hahaha (note: I'm joking. +ABL was not sedevacantist. That's my point: The forum was ironically named.)
    I guess it was hyperbole. Your forum was always better than ABL forum. They were a non-entity relatively speaking. Except for the presence of Telesphorus and SSS who exclusively posted there and abandoned Cathinfo.
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    Re: Suscipe Domine Again
    « Reply #18 on: June 06, 2018, 06:43:44 PM »
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  • I could say the same of you, though. Because you banned some people so quickly but let Classicom post for years. Was it years or did it just seem so long? I admit I have a weak memory and a bad sense of time.
    Hey, I've developed a certain skill at moderating over the years. I wasn't the same moderator at 30 or 32 (with a few years experience) that I am today, with 12 years experience under my belt. If Classiccom joined today, he'd be gone as soon as I saw he didn't believe in Vatican I (yes, that's a ONE). Maybe I was a bit slow to ban people in the beginning, but I was new. I'll admit it.
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    Re: Suscipe Domine Again
    « Reply #19 on: June 06, 2018, 06:45:25 PM »
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  • Hey, I've developed a certain skill at moderating over the years. I wasn't the same moderator at 30 or 32 (with a few years experience) that I am today, with 12 years experience under my belt. If Classiccom joined today, he'd be gone as soon as I saw he didn't believe in Vatican I (yes, that's a ONE). Maybe I was a bit slow to ban people in the beginning, but I was new. I'll admit it.
    I am kidding with you a little but you and me agree on one thing. We both think you run a great Cathinfo forum. I just miss many of the old members who left and was upset about too much flat-earth discussion and got tired of the sedevacantism debates for a while. I think you are the best moderator of any of them. Even though I do not agree with all your decisions.
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    Re: Suscipe Domine Again
    « Reply #20 on: June 06, 2018, 08:27:06 PM »
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  • I knew you were a good mod when you put that SSL cert up ;D

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    Re: Suscipe Domine Again
    « Reply #21 on: June 07, 2018, 08:13:14 AM »
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  • Ggreg's the nutter. He's a Steve Sailer'esque type. They're a dime a dozen, if you have any familiarity with the kosher TakiMag/Unz crowd, bombarding you with minutiae and side-tracking tactics. He wrote an idiotic article for DailyCatholic on the one-year anniversary of 9/11 trying to manipulate trads into going into the Middle East for the Jєωs. It says all you need to know about SD that he's the most popular member over there.

    This forum has gone downhill a bit in terms of quality of participants, but it's still the best trad Catholic forum I've come across. And it's been the best since it was started by Matthew after he'd been banned (or left, I forget which) by VoxClamantis. i had high hopes for the first ABLF forum, but it got really weird over there with DawnMarie and her gang.

    There's been a drain of interesting members here. You used to have people like like Telesphorus, claudel, Raoul (as nutty as he was at times), columba, spouseofjesus, gladius veritatis, PilgrimageofGrace (who mainly posted on IgnisArdens), ServusSpiritus (who I haven't heard about since he abandoned the first ABLF forum), belloc, stevusmagnus, caminus, btnyc, graham, sedetrad, perejoseph, Charlemagne, Iuvenalis, partyisover221, Ethelred,  Mark79, JohnGrey, and many other quality members who weren't as prolific.

    There must be some change in the zeitgeist to account for the bulk of these people no longer being here. I've read Graham on SuscipeDomine say that he's put off by the proliferation of flat-earthers.

    PonDeReplay was Gilgamesh over on Fisheaters. He's always been interesting to read, but he's a bit of an actor like VetusOrdo. I never thought he was a believer.

    Great review of the old players Rum! 

    As Bp. Williamson once described, many of us fall in traditional Catholicism's intense rear-guard battles. But we keep going.



    To Matto:  The trad forums at least give us fairly accurate field reports of neo-SSPX shenanigans.
    So accurate in fact, Society priests are known to follow it regularly to find out what's happening in their Order.

    Never doubt for a moment that the Society of St. Pope Pius X is corrupted and has seriously degenerated.

    And their leaders maliciously continue to mislead the Catholic remnant.

    Short of a miraculous intercession from Our Lady, they're gone.

    Looking forward to the Last Judgement, surely the Angels will have prepared a special corral for the priesthood of "Judases", who knew Our Lord and yet betrayed Him.
    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi

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    Re: Suscipe Domine Again
    « Reply #22 on: June 07, 2018, 11:54:39 AM »
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  • Great review of the old players Rum!  

    As Bp. Williamson once described, many of us fall in traditional Catholicism's intense rear-guard battles. But we keep going.



    To Matto:  The trad forums at least give us fairly accurate field reports of neo-SSPX shenanigans.
    So accurate in fact, Society priests are known to follow it regularly to find out what's happening in their Order.

    Never doubt for a moment that the Society of St. Pope Pius X is corrupted and has seriously degenerated.

    And their leaders maliciously continue to mislead the Catholic remnant.

    Short of a miraculous intercession from Our Lady, they're gone.

    Looking forward to the Last Judgement, surely the Angels will have prepared a special corral for the priesthood of "Judases", who knew Our Lord and yet betrayed Him.
    Incredulous
    As they used to say in Kenya when I lived there 45 years ago
    "Keep on keeping on!"


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    Re: Suscipe Domine Again
    « Reply #23 on: June 07, 2018, 01:37:38 PM »
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    As they used to say in Kenya when I lived there 45 years ago
    "Keep on keeping on!"
    ANJC,
    To Catholic Kenya and all the Saints of Africa! :cheers:

    Popes

    Three of the early popes were either from Africa themselves or children of African immigrants to Rome. All three were from this time period and are traditionally considered saints.

    They are:
    Doctors
    Three of the thirty-five Doctors of the Church were from Africa, all of them from this time period. They are:
    Writers and theologians
    Many of the early writers and theologians had connections with Africa. A partial list would include:


    Others
    In addition to the categories above, these first centuries gave the Church many other saints, among them:
    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi

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    Re: Suscipe Domine Again
    « Reply #24 on: June 07, 2018, 02:01:59 PM »
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  • To Matto:  The trad forums at least give us fairly accurate field reports of neo-SSPX shenanigans.
    So accurate in fact, Society priests are known to follow it regularly to find out what's happening in their Order.

    Never doubt for a moment that the Society of St. Pope Pius X is corrupted and has seriously degenerated.

    And their leaders maliciously continue to mislead the Catholic remnant.

    Short of a miraculous intercession from Our Lady, they're gone.
    I follow the forums so I am aware that there are problems in the SSPX and I do not have the trust in Bishop Fellay I wish I had. And I attend an SSPX chapel so I know what is going on locally. I will tell you how I feel. I think my chapel is more liberal than it was in 2008 when I first attended Mass there. The priests who offer Mass there now do seem good for the most part. The current pastor only said one thing from the pulpit that I did I did not like and that was perhaps too conservative and not too liberal, though it was ambiguous. I do not think the change amounts to a defection from the faith so I believe the SSPX is still a part of the Catholic Church and it is still safe to attend Mass there. I could describe myself like someone who liked reading The Point in 1955 but still went to his local Catholic Church and did not move across the country to live near the St. Benedict Center. I am happy with my spiritual life for the most part. The biggest sign of the liberalism really is that the indult Masses are not condemned as openly as they used to be. The priest will tell you privately to stay away from the indult but he does not condemn it publicly and there are some who attend both the indult and the SSPX. I am sympathetic to the resistance, but I have problems with it as well. I do not know if it is allowed to speak about these problems on Cathinfo so I will not mention the problems I have with Bishop Williamson but I consider some of them serious. Father Pfeiffer points them out and some of his arguments are good in my opinion. But I do not respect Father Pfeiffer anymore and I no longer watch his sermons because I think he has problems which seem even worse than Bishop Williamson's or the SSPX's. I went to two of Father Pfeiffer's Masses in the early days of the resistance and a large Catholic family who used to attend Mass at my mission actually moved to Boston Kentucky to live with Father Pfeiffer. I think they are still there now but are planning to move away. Those are some of my thoughts about the resistance.
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    Re: Suscipe Domine Again
    « Reply #25 on: June 07, 2018, 02:09:57 PM »
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  • Just keep in mind that just because Fr. Joseph Pfeiffer says something, it doesn't make it true.
    Unfortunately.
    Sad, but true.

    When your whole argumentation is convincing, but founded on a lie, then what?

    You're right though, I don't want any Pfeiffer propaganda on my forum. His rhetoric is false more often than it's true. It's not worth confusing people or blackening the name of good priests and bishops fighting Modernism and carrying on the fight for Tradition with no compromise, like brave honorable warriors.

    Thomas A. Nelson taught me in Catechism class something you might want to learn -- that it's absurd to consider a man who loves his wife, is a kind father to his children, pays his taxes, goes to Mass every Sunday, helps old ladies cross the street -- but he's a hit man for a living! That simply doesn't happen.

    Our Lord had something similar to teach: judge a tree by its fruits. Men don't gather figs from thistles.

    You're not going to have virtue anywhere and everywhere, fidelity to the Cross, to a priestly vocation, wisdom in so many things -- except for THIS MORTAL SIN OVER HERE. That just doesn't happen. There's a principle in Catholic moral theology -- "no one falls all the sudden."

    St. Therese the Little Flower when she was alive, or anyone habitually avoiding mortal sin, isn't going to OOPS fall into a grave sin of theft or murder. There would be lukewarmness first, dereliction of duties, skipping prayers, etc. which would lead perhaps to a large fall.

    It's the same with priests. They first stop praying so much. They stop saying their Breviary. They loose the taste for spiritual things. They start looking for consolations in creatures and created things. They start hating to wear the cassock -- and it's all downhill from there.
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    Re: Suscipe Domine Again
    « Reply #26 on: June 07, 2018, 02:23:02 PM »
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  • Just keep in mind that just because Fr. Joseph Pfeiffer says something, it doesn't make it true.
    . . .
    When your whole argumentation is convincing, but founded on a lie, then what?
    Yes. Like I said, I no longer respect or trust Father Pfeiffer. But I counter, just because Father Pfeiffer says something, it doesn't make it a lie. Since I have not offered my problems with Bishop Williamson you do not know if they are valid objections or ones based on lies. Bishop Williamson has made thousands of statements and has been a Bishop for thirty years, I am sure even you object to some of his deeds and some of his opinions as I do.
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    Re: Suscipe Domine Again
    « Reply #27 on: June 07, 2018, 02:30:14 PM »
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  • Yes. Like I said, I no longer respect or trust Father Pfeiffer. But I counter, just because Father Pfeiffer says something, it doesn't make it a lie. Since I have not offered my problems with Bishop Williamson you do not know if they are valid objections or ones based on lies. Bishop Williamson has made thousands of statements and has been a Bishop for thirty years, I am sure even you object to some of his deeds and some of his opinions as I do.

    Why don't you A) let God judge the man, B) give him every benefit of the doubt and C) turn a deaf ear when priests and bishops are being nit-picked by laymen or clerics?

    They aren't perfect, they are human. They need our prayers and our charity.

    You know, even if you're wrong God isn't going to judge you for giving the benefit of the doubt to a priest or bishop, rather than going on the attack. It isn't our responsibility to personally purify the clergy!

    If only there were some benign explanation(s) for the lies, calumny, and other evils prevalent in Boston, KY! I would be the first to take refuge in them.
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    Re: Suscipe Domine Again
    « Reply #28 on: June 07, 2018, 03:11:37 PM »
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  • fkpagnanelli ... JUST SO HAPPENED to have a young, single daughter he wanted to give to CM, since they were both on the same page on religion.

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    Re: Suscipe Domine Again
    « Reply #29 on: June 07, 2018, 04:16:02 PM »
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  • I think SD posters are mainly "conservative" Novus Ordites (a la CAF), indulters, and SSPX.  It seems that it is a lot quieter over there in recent times.
    For there shall arise false Christs and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders, insomuch as to deceive (if possible) even the elect. (Matthew 24:24)