Author Topic: strongest Devils Advocate argument contra Pope St. Pius Xs canonization? (Read 1239 times)

Geremia · « **on:** November 02, 2013, 10:15:21 PM »

What was the strongest "Devil's Advocate" argument against Pope St. Pius X's canonization?
thanks

Dolores · « **Reply #1 on:** November 03, 2013, 06:46:53 AM »

Considering the canonization has already occurred, by a pope few if any traditionalists doubt (Pius XII), I'm not sure anything good can come from this conversation.

Nishant · « **Reply #2 on:** November 03, 2013, 07:46:24 AM »

If the canonization procedure had been carried out just a few years later than it actually was, the objection might well have been "not according to the needs of our times" or even "too fierce an opponent of modernism". St. Pius X, ora pro nobis.

Ladislaus · « **Reply #3 on:** November 03, 2013, 04:26:19 PM »

From what I heard, St. Pius X was attacked for his "uncharitable" treatment of the modernists. In retrospect, he may not have been hard enough on them (burning at the stake, anyone?).

Neil Obstat · « **Reply #4 on:** November 03, 2013, 10:11:21 PM »

Quote from: Ladislaus

From what I heard, St. Pius X was attacked for his "uncharitable" treatment of the modernists. In retrospect, he may not have been hard enough on them (burning at the stake, anyone?).

I think you're right, but I don't think at the time that would quite have
qualified for the Advocatus Diaboli hit list! IYKWIM

For one, if it HAD, there is a recent article by the infamous Modernist
Fr. R.P. McBrien of Notre Dame University, in which he accuses Pope St.
Pius X of this very faux pas. IMHO, if there were any such item on the
list that he would have been able to drag out, like hound dog would a
buried bone in the yard, he would have. But he didn't.

So I doubt there are any such findings of note to be found!

Giuseppe Melchiorre Sarto as a young man, a seminarian, a
priest, a bishop, an archbishop, a cardinal and ultimately the Holy
Roman Pontiff, led a model life of sanctity any way you slice it. His
life is a stellar example of what a saint is, and what saints can be
in our age.

He grew up with Modernism all around him, just as we do today, so
he is a great model of holiness.

Sancte Pie Decime, gloriose Patrone, ora, ora pro nobis!

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Geremia · « **Reply #5 on:** November 03, 2013, 11:43:51 PM »

This article (Thouvenot, Fr. Christian. “Canonization of Pope Pius X by Pope Pius XII.” The Angelus, April 2004.) mentions that the Soldalitium Pianum and its secrecy was the only "questionable" issue in his beatification/canonization, but the commission ruled that the Pope's treatment of Modernism was completely within the bounds of papal authority.

The Disquisitio said:

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It was the usual means, as Msgr. Benigni [leader of the Sodalitium Pianum] observed, even in banks and industries; a code is of itself neither bad nor suspect. All the governments, including the Holy See, have used secret codes for centuries....Objectively weighing the facts, secrecy and the use of a code were in a way necessary means, at the very least useful, certainly not immoral, as long as Benigni kept no secrets from the competent authority, the Holy See

Neil Obstat · « **Reply #6 on:** November 04, 2013, 01:15:18 AM »

Quote from: Ladislaus

From what I heard, St. Pius X was attacked for his "uncharitable" treatment of the modernists. In retrospect, he may not have been hard enough on them (burning at the stake, anyone?).

:heretic: <<---- like that?

So the Grand Sewer heretics should have been treated with more
'charity' eh? And that would have been what, having a party with
them in Assisi? Or participating in their cow-dung-smeared-on-his-
forehead? Or saying their founding heretic was commendable for
something?

Sometimes being tough on a wayward person is the most charitable
thing you can do for them. What did Our Lord say about anyone
who would scandalize a child who believes in Him? He said it would
be BETTER for that man to be drowned in the sea, wearing a millstone
necklace. It would be BETTER for him -- as in MORE CHARITABLE.

Liberals like fashionable accessories. Maybe St. Pius X could have
introduced a line of fashion Jєωelry that consists of a millstone
necklace!?!? That would have been pretty charitable.

Imagine, just try to imagine how much richer the Vatican Collection
of Jєωelry would be today with a full compliment of millstone necklace
fashion accessories? I think that's a great idea!

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