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Step by step, slowly they turn; ever so slowly but they turn
« on: December 22, 2017, 07:07:24 PM »
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  • Slowly some are starting to turn.




    Bishop Schneider’s Christmas gift: A ‘to do list’ to save the faith
    Athanasius Schneider , Catholic
    December 22, 2017 (LifeSiteNews) – Kazakhstan Bishop Athanasius Schneider is a very practical thinker as well as a great theologian, a polyglot, and one of the most courageous prelates in the Catholic Church.  Last year he offered 12 steps to surviving as a Catholic familyin a heretical wasteland. Now, in a new interview he’s offering a “to do list” for the times we live in today.
    In the interview, with Poland’s Polonia Christiana, Bishop Schneider makes a fascinating comparison of the times of the Arian heresy to the current crisis in the Church.
    “During the great Arian crisis in the 4th century the defenders of the Divinity of the Son of God were labeled ‘intransigent’ and ‘traditionalist’ as well,” he said. “Saint Athanasius was even excommunicated by Pope Liberius and the Pope justified this with the argument that Athanasius was not in communion with the Oriental bishops who were mostly heretics or semi-heretics.”
    And now, without further ado:
    Bishop Schneider’s To Do List to Save the Faith Today
    1.     We have to encourage ordinary Catholics to be faithful to the Catechism they have learned, to be faithful to the clear words of Christ in the Gospel, to be faithful to the faith their fathers and forefathers handed over to them.
    2.     We have to organize circles of studies and conferences about the perennial teaching of the Church on the issue of marriage and chastity, inviting especially young people and married couples.
    3.     We have to show the very beauty of a life in chastity, the very beauty of the Christian marriage and family, the great value of the Cross and of the sacrifice in our lives.
    4.     We have to present ever more the examples of the Saints and of exemplary persons who demonstrated that in spite of the fact that they suffered the same temptations of the flesh, the same hostility and derision of the pagan world, they nevertheless with the grace of Christ led a happy life in chastity, in a Christian marriage and in family.
    5.     We have to found and promote youth groups of pure hearts, family groups, groups of Catholic spouses, who will be committed to the fidelity of their marriage vows.
    6.     We have to organize groups which will help morally and materially broken families, single mothers, groups who will assist with prayer and with good counsel separated couples, groups and persons who will help “divorced and remarried” people to start a process of serious conversion, i.e. recognizing with humility their sinful situation and abandoning with the grace of God the sins which violate the commandment of God and the sanctity of the sacrament of marriage.
    7.     We have to create groups who will carefully help persons with ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ tendencies to enter the path of Christian conversion, the happy and beautiful path of a chaste life and to offer them eventually in a discrete manner a psychological cure.
    8.     We have to show and preach to our contemporaries in the neo-pagan world the liberating Good News of the teaching of Christ: that the commandment of God, and even the sixth commandment is wise, is beauty: “The law of the Lord is perfect, converting the soul: the testimony of the Lord is sure, making wise the simple. The statutes of the Lord are right, rejoicing the heart: the commandment of the Lord is pure, enlightening the eyes” (Ps 19(18): 7-8).
    9.     Cardinals, bishops, priests, Catholic families, Catholic young people have to say to themselves: I refuse to conform to the neo-pagan spirit of this world, even when this spirit is spread by some bishops and cardinals; I will not accept their fallacious and perverse use of holy Divine mercy and of “new Pentecost”; I refuse to throw grains of incense before the statue of the idol of the gender ideology, before the idol of second marriages, of concubinage, even if my bishop would do so, I will not do so; with the grace of God I will choose to suffer rather than betray the whole truth of Christ on human sɛҳuąƖity and on marriage.
    See the full interview with Bishop Schneider here.
    "Let God arise, and let His enemies be scattered: and them that hate Him flee from before His Holy Face"  Psalm 67:2[/b]



    Offline Marlelar

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    Re: Step by step, slowly they turn; ever so slowly but they turn
    « Reply #1 on: December 22, 2017, 10:35:30 PM »
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  • Most sound like practical ideas that would be a step in the right direction but their problem will be with number 1 since they would be studying a corrupt catechism. 

    I am surprised that he published his ideas, I wonder how long it will be before the man in white slaps him down?


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    Re: Step by step, slowly they turn; ever so slowly but they turn
    « Reply #2 on: December 22, 2017, 10:53:27 PM »
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  • I read number 1 more optimisticly.
    Most Catholics that go to church are older so learned the old catechism
    And the younger ones never learned any.
    "Let God arise, and let His enemies be scattered: and them that hate Him flee from before His Holy Face"  Psalm 67:2[/b]


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    Re: Step by step, slowly they turn; ever so slowly but they turn
    « Reply #3 on: December 23, 2017, 04:40:13 AM »
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  • Yes, it is a step, but number one, or at least in there somewhere, should be the immediate, complete and total obliteration and condemnation of the new "mass" and all modernist laws and doctrines of V2, and the immediate restoration of the True Mass and traditional laws, Perennial teachings and condemnations.


    "But Peter and the apostles answering, said: We ought to obey God, rather than men." - Acts 5:29

    The Highest Principle in the Church: "We are first of all under obedience to God, and only then under obedience to man" - Fr. Hesse

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    Re: Step by step, slowly they turn; ever so slowly but they turn
    « Reply #4 on: December 23, 2017, 09:19:19 AM »
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  • These steps are not bad in and of themselves, however they are based on the teachings of V2, it’s catechism and it’s Mass. it’s conciliar from front to back. Just like the indult: smells and bells without the true faith being preached. Just window dressing. 
    Please disregard everything I have said; I have tended to speak before fact checking.


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    Re: Step by step, slowly they turn; ever so slowly but they turn
    « Reply #5 on: December 23, 2017, 10:06:51 AM »
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  • These steps are not bad in and of themselves, however they are based on the teachings of V2, it’s catechism and it’s Mass. it’s conciliar from front to back. Just like the indult: smells and bells without the true faith being preached. Just window dressing.
    I do agree, however one must start somewhere, just like they took the Faith away little at a time, he might be saying we can bring it back, a little at a time.

    I have to applaud him and this is the reason I started my own blog, (link below)  I was hoping to reach the older people who once knew the catechism, Catholic culture and remind them before it is forgotten.  Anyone who has read my blog might notice there is no room for debating the different Traditional camps, just start with the basic Catholic faith and teach it to the youth. I hope to jog the memory of those who have fallen asleep.


    Remember Our Lady said, someday the world will be saved by the scapular and rosary, she didn't mention the Mass and Sacraments because she knew they would be scarce, or perhaps stopped entirely in places of the world.  This was probably what that THIRD secret of Fatima was really all about.  
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    Re: Step by step, slowly they turn; ever so slowly but they turn
    « Reply #6 on: December 23, 2017, 10:53:23 AM »
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  • I do agree, however one must start somewhere, just like they took the Faith away little at a time, he might be saying we can bring it back, a little at a time.

    I have to applaud him and this is the reason I started my own blog, (link below)  I was hoping to reach the older people who once knew the catechism, Catholic culture and remind them before it is forgotten.  Anyone who has read my blog might notice there is no room for debating the different Traditional camps, just start with the basic Catholic faith and teach it to the youth. I hope to jog the memory of those who have fallen asleep.


    Remember Our Lady said, someday the world will be saved by the scapular and rosary, she didn't mention the Mass and Sacraments because she knew they would be scarce, or perhaps stopped entirely in places of the world.  This was probably what that THIRD secret of Fatima was really all about.  
    Of course, Rome cannot just regain the Faith overnight, barring a miracle of Divine Providence. The problem is the root of all of this “going back” is going back to the supposed “true” Vatican 2, NOM, COCL 83, CCC, etc. It’s a return to what the “springtime” was supposed to bring about in the minds of the conservatives who say V2 wasn’t that bad. While it might be a turn, I’m not going to get too excited about it until it’s “turn back to the Catechism of Trent,” “ecuмenism is a sin,” and “stop attending the NOM”. This is the same bishop who suggests that the Church should use ecuмenism to accept the SSPX! And what is more dangerous is the appearance of tradition sprinkled over V2 and it’s garbage. So while it might be a “turn,” I would certainly say it’s nothing to get too excited about. 
    Please disregard everything I have said; I have tended to speak before fact checking.

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    Re: Step by step, slowly they turn; ever so slowly but they turn
    « Reply #7 on: December 23, 2017, 02:00:04 PM »
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  • Of course, Rome cannot just regain the Faith overnight, barring a miracle of Divine Providence.

    You're absolutely right.  So it takes a little time.  And what are WE going to do to help it...sit on our hands and wait?

    . While it might be a turn, I’m not going to get too excited about it until it’s “turn back to the Catechism of Trent,” “ecuмenism is a sin,” and “stop attending the NOM”.

    So you're not going to get too excited until "Rome" does something?  The people in the pews never heard of the Catechism of Trent!  If we wait for "Rome" we'll end up with Vatican III.

     I would certainly say it’s nothing to get too excited about.

    I think it's something we should get very excited about!

    Before Vat II the people (out of ignorance) did nothing, thereby giving "Rome" an inch....and they took a mile.

    Well now they are giving US an inch and we should be taking a mile.
    The NO pew sitters are like little children, so that is how we have to communicate with them.

    Every year each of us give to various charities, so why don't we use some of that money and purchase copies of reprinted old catechisms, the Baltimore or St. Joseph...you know, the easy read ones written for children  and give them to friends and relatives.  They have to start back at the beginning.  Give them the Catechism of the Council of Trent and it is going to sit on a shelf.   If we plant the seed God's grace will make it grow.

    Many here on Ci have mistakenly accused the Baby Boomers of doing nothing (they were only infants to teenagers by 1965. It was the previous generation).  Is the next generation going to accuse us also of doing nothing?   Are we no longer the Church Militant?  Are we going to take the inch offered and turn it into a mile?
    "Let God arise, and let His enemies be scattered: and them that hate Him flee from before His Holy Face"  Psalm 67:2[/b]



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    Re: Step by step, slowly they turn; ever so slowly but they turn
    « Reply #8 on: December 23, 2017, 04:20:23 PM »
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  • I think I was misunderstood. I agree, we have to do something to effect the conversion of Rome. Unfortunately, it’s not simple. Obviously even the Archbishop couldn’t sway them. I have dealt with many modernists and they honestly *want* to be modernists. Even presented with truth, with infallible statements they *want* to keep being a heretic and they honestly believe V2 wipes everything away and heremeneutic of continuity and all the insanity. And the Pope makes things worse, the bishops make things worse, every bishop preaches something different, each priest. It’s like having a zoo: you can go and look at the lions, the tigers, the bears, the monkeys, so you end up in the Church, the charismatics, the traditionalists, the conservatives, etc. We have another voice saying another interpretation of V2. It might be better, and leading to a better direction (tradition leaning), but is still the same V2 voice. Of course we as the Church militant have to fight! And we do. I have been trying with several modernists, trying to get them away from this but even though they know the problems, they just don’t care. And this will lead to much more of that sadly. 
    Please disregard everything I have said; I have tended to speak before fact checking.

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    Re: Step by step, slowly they turn; ever so slowly but they turn
    « Reply #9 on: December 24, 2017, 11:09:03 AM »
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  • It has also been my experience that the generation prior to mine wanted the 'revolt'. My 86yo mother is a classic example. Her new favorite saying is "who am I to judge "? :fryingpan:


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    Re: Step by step, slowly they turn; ever so slowly but they turn
    « Reply #10 on: December 24, 2017, 05:20:26 PM »
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  • It has also been my experience that the generation prior to mine wanted the 'revolt'. My 86yo mother is a classic example. Her new favorite saying is "who am I to judge "? :fryingpan:
    Exactly. I know people who just want to have a good feeling on Sunday going home. And that’s all they want. No truth, no sin, no penance, just butterflies in my tummy. We need much much prayer and penance to try to convert them. Talking does nothing. It almost makes me wonder why they don’t just go be Protestant. They say things like “I know what the Church says about Communion in mortal sin, but I don’t think anything should keep me from Jesus”. They know, and they want to be the way they are and if you even try they shut you down. It’s unfortunate. We should keep this bishop in our prayers that he makes that jump to tradition. 
    Please disregard everything I have said; I have tended to speak before fact checking.


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    Re: Step by step, slowly they turn; ever so slowly but they turn
    « Reply #11 on: December 25, 2017, 09:01:21 PM »
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  • My thoughts for Bishop Schneider, you are a day late and a dollar short. There are no Catholics today who give a dern about folks in situations described in item #6. For that matter they don't give a dern about anyone who walks in or out of their churches. I speak from experience as one of those wee baby boomers whose life changed forever after V2. The world turned upside down and still has not righted itself. I speak from experience with NO parishes, indult mass societies, fssp's sspx's. They want nothing to do with no one who is or was or wants to be Catholic. They just fulfill their obligation, walk in-walk out. Blind to the world. 

    Ezekiel 34Douay-Rheims 1899 American Edition (DRA)
    34 And the word of the Lord came to me, saying:
    Son of man, prophesy concerning the shepherds of Israel: prophesy, and say to the shepherds: Thus saith the Lord God: Woe to the shepherds of Israel, that fed themselves: should not the flocks be fed by the shepherds?
    You ate the milk, and you clothed yourselves with the wool, and you killed that which was fat: but my flock you did not feed.
    The weak you have not strengthened, and that which was sick you have not healed, that which was broken you have not bound up, and that which was driven away you have not brought again, neither have you sought that which was lost: but you ruled over them with rigour, and with a high hand.
    And my sheep were scattered, because there was no shepherd: and they became the prey of all the beasts of the field, and were scattered.
    My sheep have wandered in every mountain, and in every high hill: and my flocks were scattered upon the face of the earth, and there was none that sought them, there was none, I say, that sought them.
    Therefore, ye shepherds, hear the word of the Lord:
    As I live, saith the Lord God, forasmuch as my flocks have been made a spoil, and my sheep are become a prey to all the beasts of the field, because there was no shepherd: for my shepherds did not seek after my flock, but the shepherds fed themselves, and fed not my flocks:
    Therefore, ye shepherds, hear the word of the Lord:
    10 Thus saith the Lord God: Behold I myself come upon the shepherds, I will require my flock at their hand, and I will cause them to cease from feeding the flock any more, neither shall the shepherds feed themselves any more: and I will deliver my flock from their mouth, and it shall no more be meat for them.
    11 For thus saith the Lord God: Behold I myself will seek my sheep, and will visit them.
    12 As the shepherd visiteth his flock in the day when he shall be in the midst of his sheep that were scattered, so will I visit my sheep, and will deliver them out of all the places where they have been scattered in the cloudy and dark day.
    13 And I will bring them out from the peoples, and will gather them out of the countries, and will bring them to their own land: and I will feed them in the mountains of Israel, by the rivers, and in all the habitations of the land.
    14 I will feed them in the most fruitful pastures, and their pastures shall be in the high mountains of Israel: there shall they rest on the green grass, and be fed in fat pastures upon the mountains of Israel.
    15 I will feed my sheep: and I will cause them to lie down, saith the Lord God.
    16 I will seek that which was lost: and that which was driven away, I will bring again: and I will bind up that which was broken, and I will strengthen that which was weak, and that which was fat and strong I will preserve: and I will feed them in judgment.
    17 And as for you, O my flocks, thus saith the Lord God: Behold I judge between cattle and cattle, of rams and of he goats.
    18 Was it not enough for you to feed upon good pastures? but you must also tread down with your feet the residue of your pastures: and when you drank the clearest water, you troubled the rest with your feet.
    19 And my sheep were fed with that which you had trodden with your feet: and they drank what your feet had troubled.
    20 Therefore thus saith the Lord God to you: Behold, I myself will judge between the fat cattle and the lean.
    21 Because you thrusted with sides and shoulders, and struck all the weak cattle with your horns, till they were scattered abroad:
    22 I will save my flock, and it shall be no more a spoil, and I will judge between cattle and cattle.
    23 AND I WILL SET UP ONE SHEPHERD OVER THEM, and he shall feed them, even my servant David: he shall feed them, and he shall be their shepherd.
    24 And I the Lord will be their God: and my servant David the prince in the midst of them: I the Lord have spoken it.
    25 And I will make a covenant of peace with them, and will cause the evil beasts to cease out of the land: and they that dwell in the wilderness shall sleep secure in the forests.

    I have lived in the wilderness for 48 1/2 years. The Lord is my shepherd.

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    Re: Step by step, slowly they turn; ever so slowly but they turn
    « Reply #12 on: December 29, 2017, 03:16:55 PM »
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  • Sounds like really attractive window dressing. 

    It was a blessing from Our Lord that the Novus Ordo was so offensive and clownish because if the new service would have seemed holy and pious it would have ensnared even more souls. 

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    Re: Step by step, slowly they turn; ever so slowly but they turn
    « Reply #13 on: December 30, 2017, 09:28:38 AM »
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  • It was a blessing from Our Lord that the Novus Ordo was so offensive and clownish because if the new service would have seemed holy and pious it would have ensnared even more souls.
    That is a consoling thought, I never thought of it that way.

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    Re: Step by step, slowly they turn; ever so slowly but they turn
    « Reply #14 on: December 30, 2017, 09:59:11 AM »
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  • Souls were lost, nevertheless. Many still wander in the wilderness. Will God call them back when the church is restored, alas. I pray to see the day the demons are ousted.