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Title: St. Thomas gives a classic pro-life argument.
Post by: Geremia on June 17, 2019, 09:53:05 PM

Super Sent. lib. 4 d. 32 q. 1 a. 1 ad 4 (http://www.corpusthomisticuм.org/snp4027.html#19843) (=Summa suppl. q. 64 a. 1 (https://isidore.co/aquinas/summa/XP/XP064.html#XPQ64A1THEP1) ad 4):

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uxor etiam viro leproso tenetur reddere debitum […] et quamvis proles generetur infirma, tamen melius est ei sic esse quam penitus non esse.

a wife is bound to pay the debt even to a leprous husband […] And though the child begotten of them be diseased, it is better to be thus than not at all.

Elige vitam.

Title: Re: St. Thomas gives a classic pro-life argument.
Post by: Ladislaus on June 18, 2019, 10:46:44 AM

Sounds contrary to Pius XII's statement that NFP may be used for "eugenic" purposes.

Title: Re: St. Thomas gives a classic pro-life argument.
Post by: Geremia on June 18, 2019, 06:26:06 PM

Quote from: Ladislaus on June 18, 2019, 10:46:44 AM

Sounds contrary to Pius XII's statement that NFP may be used for "eugenic" purposes.

How does NFP not pay the marriage debt?

Title: Re: St. Thomas gives a classic pro-life argument.
Post by: Geremia on June 30, 2019, 10:32:00 AM

Another pro-life / anti-contraceptive motif is in St. Thomas's commentary on Matt. 19 (https://isidore.co/aquinas/SSMatthew.htm#19):18, where he explains why ☧ omitted mentioning the First Tablet's commandments (1st-4th, ∵ he know the rich young man already loved God), but mentions the 5th-8th, and explains why they are ordered that way:

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non homicidium facies, quod est contra vitam in actu; non adulterabis, quod est contra vitam in potentia
Thou shalt do no murder, which is opposed to actual life: Thou shalt not commit adultery, which is opposed to life in potency

(Interestingly, ☧ didn't mention 9th or 10th, and so the rich young man doesn't lie in v. 20 when, although he committed the sin of covetousness (https://christianity.stackexchange.com/a/71579/1787), he says "All these have I kept from my youth".)

Existence (≡ divine essence!) is sacred! St. Thomas's pithy summary of the 6th commandment reminded me of that.

Elige vitam semper.

Title: Eugenics isn't always evil.
Post by: Geremia on June 30, 2019, 10:28:30 PM

Quote from: Ladislaus on June 18, 2019, 10:46:44 AM

NFP may be used for "eugenic" purposes.

Casti Connubii (https://w2.vatican.va/content/pius-xi/en/encyclicals/docuмents/hf_p-xi_enc_19301231_casti-connubii.html) §66:

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66. What is asserted in favor of the social and eugenic "indication" may and must be accepted, provided lawful and upright methods are employed within the proper limits; but to wish to put forward reasons based upon them for the killing of the innocent is unthinkable and contrary to the divine precept promulgated in the words of the Apostle: Evil is not to be done that good may come of it. [Rom., III, 8.]

St. Thomas gives a eugenic argument in Summa suppl. q. 64 a. 3 (https://isidore.co/aquinas/summa/XP/XP064.html#XPQ64A3THEP1) co. (=Super Sent. lib. 4 d. 32 q. 1 a. 2 qc. 2 co. (http://www.corpusthomisticuм.org/snp4027.html#19866)):
It is "a moral precept" "to approach to a menstruous woman" "on account of the harm that frequently results to the offspring from such intercourse".

Title: another pro-life quote from St. Thomas
Post by: Geremia on July 13, 2019, 10:14:28 PM

Here's another pro-life quote (I-II q. 66 a. 4 "Whether justice is the chief of the moral virtues?" (https://isidore.co/aquinas/summa/FS/FS066.html#FSQ66A4THEP1) co.):

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Maximum autem in his quae ad hominem pertinent, est vita, a qua omnia alia dependent.
in things touching man, the chief of all is life, on which all other things depend.