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Offline Raoul76

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St. Jude Thaddeus, come clean!
« on: February 13, 2010, 07:57:07 PM »
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    • WHY DO YOU HAVE FRANCIS SCHUCKARDT IN YOUR AVATAR?  

    You go to SSPX, and you have one of the most upsetting figures of sedevacantist history in your icon.  What gives?  I was shocked yesterday when I was looking on a Schuckardt website and saw that familiar image.
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    « Reply #1 on: February 14, 2010, 12:11:20 AM »
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    • Prev poster apparently unaware of MK Ultra split personality experiment re Abp. Lefebvre and Bp. Schuckardt in preparation for 2012 pole shift.

    Prev poster probably never watched A Hard Day's Night and denies that Cdl. Merry del Val validly consecrated bishop by Rampolla.

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    St. Jude Thaddeus, come clean!
    « Reply #2 on: February 14, 2010, 12:20:05 AM »
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    • Pretty good Roscoe impression!
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    « Reply #3 on: February 14, 2010, 12:32:59 AM »
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    Pretty good Roscoe impression!


    Typical response by proponent of Jansenistic presence on this forum

    BTW, would like to know what U think of Raoul's slander of pre v2jesuits
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    « Reply #4 on: February 14, 2010, 03:23:35 PM »
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    • It appears that SJT has nothing of substance to go after me with.
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    « Reply #5 on: February 14, 2010, 08:29:37 PM »
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    • Quote from: roscoe
    It appears that SJT has nothing of substance to go after me with.


    No one's going after you, roscoe. You're just the resident conspiracy theorist and I was imitating you to stoke up Raoul's "paranoia," which as he has explained is not actually a clinical case of paranoia but simply a highly-developed sense of distrust.
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    « Reply #6 on: February 14, 2010, 08:37:11 PM »
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    • I am not familiar with F Schuckhardt. Why is Raoul complaining about him?
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    « Reply #7 on: February 14, 2010, 08:42:05 PM »
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    • Anyway, Raoul, I don't remember exactly why I changed my avatar to a photo of Bp. Schuckardt. I used to have a stock image of St. Jude, which I changed to one of Bp. Cornelius Jansen after being accused of harboring Jansenist tendencies by one of this forum's more prolific members. Unfortunately, the gag fell flat because no one recognized Jansen. Then something someone said in another thread a few weeks later made me think of Schuckardt so I changed my avatar to an image of him, but that fell flat too because no one recognized him either. As time went by, I forgot the original reason I had put him on there but I left him anyway as he was the first "sedevacantist" and I was hoping someone would bring him up in one of our sedevacantist debates. That too didn't pan out, even after I explained in a thread who he was. In other words, nobody took the bait or even noticed him at all until you asked me about him last week.

    About the man himself, I certainly don't know all the facts. He was quite controversial in his day, though. His followers have a website with some good info on it about customs, traditions, and liturgy of the pre-Vatican II days. I consult it every month as they post a prayer regimen for each month, as well as an explanation of the descriptions of Mary in the Litany of the Blessed Virgin Mary and some historical info on Saints, Holy Days, past Popes, etc. I don't know where his followers are now; they don't list any address or phone numbers on their website but they are still out there somewhere.
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    « Reply #8 on: February 14, 2010, 08:49:40 PM »
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    • Quote from: roscoe
    I am not familiar with F Schuckhardt. Why is Raoul complaining about him?


    http://www.bishopschuckardt.com/

    and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francis_Schuckardt

    Bp. Schuckardt was the first declared sedevacantist, at least here in the USA. He founded the CMRI and purchased the Mount St. Michael's complex outside Spokane, WA where the CMRI still has a convent and monastery. Back in the 80's he and his followers were ousted from the organization they had founded after accusations of financial impropriety, sɛҳuąƖ harrassment, and drug abuse were made against Schuckardt and after that his group became very secretive. Apparently they are still active in the Pacific NW.

    Many sedevacantists have something against him because they feel he set a bad example for having developed a personality cult around himself instead of focusing on theological issues.

     
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    « Reply #9 on: February 14, 2010, 08:55:21 PM »
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    • One interesting story he told in an interview is about his "A-ha" moment; the moment he decided that the Vatican was no longer Catholic.

    He was on a speaking tour of Europe in the late 60's as a spokesman for the Blue Army of Fatima and he was at one of the famous basilicas, in Italy I think, and a priest-rector there grabbed a Rosary out of Schuckardt's hands and threw it on the floor, saying, "Nobody believes in that crap anymore! Get it into your head that those days are over!"

    I have no trouble believing that that incident really happened!
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    « Reply #10 on: February 14, 2010, 09:20:40 PM »
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    • Sorry but I have never seen a likeness of Jansen and I don't pay much attention to avatars.  

    Jansen himself was not a heretic. When he presented his work to the Pope, it was accompanied by a note that submitted beforehand to what ever decision the Church should make of his philosophy. Arnould conveniently left this out when he published the book.

    I understand that Pelagius was not  responsible for the heresy that bears his name as well.

    One reason I refer to teatotalers as Jansenist is that there simply is no Biblical or Church Authority that can be cited to support what they think. To me it does seem like a false Calvinistic type of piety.

    Unless I am mistaken, SJT is v2. Why the admiration for the first 'sede'?
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    « Reply #11 on: February 14, 2010, 09:29:19 PM »
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    • Shuckhardt was a cult leader, and there were many sɛҳuąƖ abuses, brutal beatings bizarre punishments. It was a total nightmare before they finally cleaned up their act on the Mount.
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    « Reply #12 on: February 14, 2010, 09:32:27 PM »
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    • Quote from: roscoe
    Sorry but I have never seen a likeness of Jansen and I don't pay much attention to avatars.  

    Jansen himself was not a heretic. When he presented his work to the Pope, it was accompanied by a note that submitted beforehand to what ever decision the Church should make of his philosophy. Arnould conveniently left this out when he published the book.

    I understand that Pelagius was not  responsible for the heresy that bears his name as well.

    One reason I refer to teatotalers as Jansenist is that there simply is no Biblical or Church Authority that can be cited to support what they think. To me it does seem like a false Calvinistic type of piety.

    Unless I am mistaken, SJT is v2. Why the admiration for the first 'sede'?


    I don't admire him, roscoe, I'm just stating a few facts. As a traditionalist I'm interested in that whole first generation of traditionalists who reacted to Vatican II in different ways. Schuckardt interests me in the same way that Fr. Depauw interests me or Abp. Lefebvre interests me or Hutton Gibson interests me. Each man had a distinct approach to the problem and deserves a fair hearing.

    BTW, SJT is not V2. The SSPX is not V2. The SSPX is a reaction to V2, not a confirmation of it, despite what the anti-SSPXers say. The reaction of "Church is on the ropes, let's see if we can hang in there and do something about it" is just as valid as "Church is on the ropes, let's get away before the same thing happens to us," or "Church is on the ropes, too bad, they made their bed and now they can lie in it."
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    « Reply #13 on: February 14, 2010, 09:34:20 PM »
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    • SJT said:
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    No one's going after you, roscoe. You're just the resident conspiracy theorist and I was imitating you to stoke up Raoul's "paranoia," which as he has explained is not actually a clinical case of paranoia but simply a highly-developed sense of distrust.


    You have a dry sense of humor, I'll give you that.

    Something is unsatisfying about your explanation but for some reason you don't awaken my paranoia or mistrust.  You might be a genuinely good-hearted Polock who is being deceived by the devil into making me mistrust you by doing weird things on impulse like putting Francis Schuckardt in your avatar.  ( Is he a real bishop or do his Old Catholic orders mean I can refer to him as Francis Schuckardt? )

    As far as Schuckardt goes, the rumors about the horrible sɛҳuąƖ practices that this man engaged in are RIFE, St. Jude, so it's not exactly good taste to have him there. Have you read this?  

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Mediation_Cabal/Cases/2006-03-15_Francis_Schuckardt_Archive1

    "He has stated a number of personal comments that are not true or are hurtful such as his comment about the young boy who was raped by several of the members of Schuckardt's group - John Francis said that this young boy was a willing participant."

    What makes me nervous about CMRI are that ( 1 ) They only ousted Schuckardt, from what I can tell, when a local news story exposed him as a cult leader and ( 2 ) Most of their priests grew up on this compound.  Another problem is that Francis Schuckardt was not ( allegedly ) ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ all alone.   Oh yeah, and they're heretics, but that is nothing new for the clergy today.

    St. Jude, maybe since I think you're too liberal you should put Miguel De Molinos in your icon, or De Lugo, to keep with your abstruse sarcasm, if that's what it is.

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    « Reply #14 on: February 14, 2010, 09:35:08 PM »
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    Shuckhardt was a cult leader, and there were many sɛҳuąƖ abuses, brutal beatings bizarre punishments. It was a total nightmare before they finally cleaned up their act on the Mount.


    The product of extreme isolation:  The authorities are illegitimate so let's make up the rules as we go along.

    The same thing happens in the freewheeling "no more rules since Vat II" N.O. cirlces too.
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